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You're spot on "51andwaiting". Horan brought that steel to Mayo teams that we never had before. I wouldn't judge McStay purely on yesterday but can't fall back to that
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 332 - 03/07/2023 12:38:25 2491773 Link 0 |
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From a total outsider's perspective, this year and particularly the loss v. Dublin signal to me the end of an era and some of the great runs Mayo had in the last 6/8 years. I think it was inevitable that Mayo would creep back a bit and show signs of a conflicted team of lads finishing out their careers mixed with younger lads trying to pick up the mantle. The results of those mixtures are usually a year or two of unpredictability and thats what we are seeing now. The talent is still there to be very competitive, although Mayo have slipped back in the pecking order. Keep the faith. Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 596 - 03/07/2023 12:48:49 2491778 Link 0 |
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Ooops how will I sleep tonight
republican (Sligo) - Posts: 338 - 03/07/2023 13:10:55 2491788 Link 0 |
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I thought we would get relegated being honest. So league champions and a 1/4 final appearance would be a decent enough year on paper. But losing at home to Roscommon, that Louth performance and Cork defeat after a great win in Killarney really leaves a sour taste. That 2nd half yesterday was an absolute car crash. We are a million miles away from winning an all Ireland.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11418 - 03/07/2023 13:22:16 2491797 Link 1 |
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They lost half of their 6 championship matches and beat Louth by one point. How could anyone be happy with that?
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 730 - 03/07/2023 13:50:15 2491818 Link 0 |
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Hope it's a warm coat. It'll be yet another long winter in Mayo.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1042 - 03/07/2023 14:00:41 2491837 Link 1 |
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We're miles from an AI - but that's not McStays fault. And yes I suppose that's what I am focusing on - QF exit to probable finalists / possible AI winners and League champions. The win in in Salthill however lucky it was, was a big result. But for me McStay has to have at least another year before I will start to judge him. People talk about Murphy leaving Donegal and the impact that had - we just went through a season without Keegan for the first time in 10 odd years - I might never see a player like him in a Mayo jersey again. So all things considered, McStay has a lot of work to do but a lot to work with Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 332 - 03/07/2023 14:18:46 2491845 Link 1 |
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clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 439 - 03/07/2023 14:30:00 2491852 Link 0 |
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Winning an All Ireland was always going to be a big ask but the tide turned for Connacht teams on Sunday 18th or maybe it was a case of taking our eyes off the ball. A draw for Mayo (Cork) , Galway (Armagh) and Roscommon (Kildare) would have given us a home prelim at The Hyde and I would have fancied a fresher Mayo v Tyrone and Galway v Monaghan over the week end. Chances of having a Connacht team in the semi final would have been much greater. Of the four group winners with a two week break only Armagh failed to progress , losing a penalty shoot out after extra time. Best teams like Dublin usually win their group but both Mayo and Galway were in pole position playing the third game.
Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 577 - 03/07/2023 15:23:45 2491878 Link 0 |
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Agreed. He's brought in some new faces and given likes of Carr and McDonagh a run. Inexperience showed yesterday but hopefully they'll learn from it. If we got to a quarter final by just persisting with older players I wouldn't call it progression. Aido, Cillian, McLoughlin might call it a day. We peaked very early in the season and can hopefully learn from that too. Hopefully.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7669 - 03/07/2023 16:19:58 2491903 Link 0 |
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No plan B. Same 20 players all year. One good game against Kerry then bad against Louth, Cork and just scraped through against Galway. Total incompetence by management to keep going to the same players all the time no matter how they performed. McStay keeps talking about having a big squad of players then why didn't he use them. I'm hoping that he'll look hard at these games and change his ideas but I doubt it. A lot of Mayo fans saying they're happy with his first year, I'm not, back in the 70s I had a whole life to see Mayo win Sam now most of it is behind me.
cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 472 - 03/07/2023 16:33:11 2491909 Link 3 |
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Christ Cluichethar.... when you say it like that. I don't remember the 70's or much of the '80's - a dark time for Mayo football but I'm scarred from '96 and I remember vividly walking out of the old canal end that day thinking not to worry, we'll get it next year..... I wish I was that naive today!!
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 332 - 04/07/2023 08:55:16 2492030 Link 0 |
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Cop on, like a good lad. The harshest comments and trolling are usually from the lads who couldn't kick snow off a rope themselves.
togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 976 - 04/07/2023 12:51:15 2492124 Link 3 |
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It's not like me to stand up for Mayo but I think you are very harsh. There were several players introduced to the panel this year with about 4 on the team. It's only when you are in the melting pot of a really big game in Croker that you know how good or bad these new players are. There were 2 big incidents that sucked the life out of Mayo. The first one was the youngster that made the blunder for the Dublin goal. The second one was hitting the post when it seems easier to score. On another day Jordan Flynn's goal would have stood. In the eyes of the management they had the best panel of players that's in Mayo right now.
eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1966 - 04/07/2023 13:05:30 2492128 Link 1 |
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Lads some perspective is needed. Next year the starting Mayo team will have just one player who started the 2017 final. That is some overhaul of players in 6 years. We are behind Kerry and Dublin at the minute but it wouldn't take a huge change for us to get back to a semi final/final in the next couple of years. Up front as always is the problem. TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8172 - 04/07/2023 13:48:36 2492140 Link 2 |
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Thanks togooutlads - that trolling is pathetic. If anyone here is on FB it's septic, prefer to keep it away from here
Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 332 - 04/07/2023 13:56:20 2492142 Link 1 |
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Surely the whole problem stems from the kickouts? Cluxton is a liability, he doesn't have the length to go over the top anymore so if you take the short one away from him, he will have to go long, and that isn't long compared to the top keepers. Louth exposed him badly. But Mayo simply did not work hard enough to deny the short kickout. Dublin on the other hand, worked like dogs to take the short one off Reape. Mayo failed at the one thing that doesn't require skill and that's effort. FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 569 - 04/07/2023 14:23:50 2492151 Link 0 |
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Your spot on there. Ye have had some great forwards over the years but just never seem to click on a constant basis. A top midfielder and a good forwards coach to gel it all together and SAM could come west
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 345 - 04/07/2023 14:29:47 2492154 Link 0 |
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The habit of conceding soft and totally preventable goals has been an issue for Mayo since 2012. Don't think McStay playing forwards and going with rookies over experience in defence is the answer to that issue.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3500 - 04/07/2023 15:47:20 2492203 Link 0 |
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You're right on conceding goals in finals. But does McStay have a choice other than to go with rookies in defense? Granted playing Loftus at CB hasn't worked out and McStay should really have seen that before pulling him before the Galway game. But other than that, the age profile of Mayo back 7 is pretty young and I bodes well for the future IMO. Bear in mind last year Keegan and Mullin were 2 of the back 6 - I think they did very well this year without them. Cbar (Mayo) - Posts: 332 - 04/07/2023 16:55:33 2492227 Link 0 |