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Replying To jobber:  "id agree with Dheen away to KK is a huge challenge but its great to be there.Doyle Mitchell and maybe Galvin will be huge losses.I would love to see Mitchell get some minutes a big guy like him will need game time to hit form."
Are the 3 lads going to be fully fit this weekend Jobber?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11714 - 27/04/2023 13:20:41    2474233

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Replying To dakid:  "We have a small playing pool and need our best on the pitch. Injuries have severally limited us and we can afford to lose talents like Doyle, Mitchell, O'Brien etc.

We have some excellent hurlers not involved be it commitment or non selection. Two that jump out are Josh Coll and David Hickey. Does anyone know what the story is there? Hickey would be a huge addition to the defence"
The commitment that is required to be on the Senior panel is ridiculous. We are asking way too much of our intercounty players. If you are a student or an apprentice it is almost impossible to give the commitment required.

midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 102 - 28/04/2023 12:06:54    2474354

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Students make up a high percentage of successful inter county panels.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1478 - 28/04/2023 18:05:08    2474437

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Great game between ourselves and Wexford in the u20. We were unlucky and I thought a lot of decisions went against us. Majority of our team are underage again next year which bodes well. We were the better team for large parts of the game. Great effort this year by the group, credit to them.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 769 - 29/04/2023 14:26:41    2474512

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Hard luck to your u20s. Watched the game on the tg4 player didn't seem to be much between the teams.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11714 - 29/04/2023 14:31:58    2474515

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Replying To Viking66:  "Hard luck to your u20s. Watched the game on the tg4 player didn't seem to be much between the teams."
No not much between the teams, great to see we are competitive with the likes of Wexford. I expect us to be even better next year at this grade. Hopefully Andrew Dermody stays on as manager, he has done super work, alongside the backroom team.

CBS Mullingar u14 hurlers are through to the Leinster Final this year again having beaten Birr this morning. This follows a strong u14 team from last year. Clearly great work going on in the school regarding the small ball.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 769 - 29/04/2023 14:51:29    2474524

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A great effort by all involved again today, plenty of chances to win it or get closer before Wexford got the 3rd goal. No blaming the ref but there were a few decisions I felt didn't go our way, Wexford seemed to be able to score easier, they were just a little bit sharper up front. D.McCormack would've made some difference, I doubt there's an u-20 defender in the country that would handle him. Andy Dermody & co have done a great job, Dermody's passion is absolutely mighty. Wexford also looked better conditioned, this needs to be addressed in the county, there's thousands and thousands being spent on our senior squads, some money needs to be ringfenced to physically develop our young hurlers & footballers, to give us every chance to complete. Offaly beat Galway today, and our lads only hurled for 10 minutes against Offaly. Anyways, fair play to this squad, you've done yourselves proud.

stonemadbeany (USA) - Posts: 540 - 29/04/2023 15:41:45    2474533

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Serious performance by the u20 lads today. It really was a 50/50 game and the turning point was out missed goal chance because Wexford scored a goal straight away at the other end. The tackling from our players and ball handling was absolute top quality so fair play to them and Andy & Co. Physically Wexford looked more conditioned but our lads were actually using more physicality if that makes sense. Wexford had a few lovely hurlers especially 11. It's small margins at this level you can have a good team and be well trained and miss out on going deep and I think that's the case with this group. I hope they keep Andy because the teams skills were really well tuned and he had them hoping.

Gaawestmeath (Westmeath) - Posts: 73 - 29/04/2023 19:45:50    2474558

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A reasonable first half effort by hurlers in Parnell, Ciaran Doyle stepped up really well, Conaty again made decent saves, Dublin goal before half time was a blow, we faded alarmingly in 2nd half, has happened a few times this year, possibly fitness levels although could be heads dropping as we've been well behind in every game, Niall Mitchell got valuable mins but naturally looked rusty, Galway at home next Saturday but really the Antrim game at home in three weeks is the crucial one, Antrim's form line is better judging on Dublin but it's a knockout championship game and home advantage could be decisive.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1478 - 29/04/2023 19:53:29    2474563

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "A reasonable first half effort by hurlers in Parnell, Ciaran Doyle stepped up really well, Conaty again made decent saves, Dublin goal before half time was a blow, we faded alarmingly in 2nd half, has happened a few times this year, possibly fitness levels although could be heads dropping as we've been well behind in every game, Niall Mitchell got valuable mins but naturally looked rusty, Galway at home next Saturday but really the Antrim game at home in three weeks is the crucial one, Antrim's form line is better judging on Dublin but it's a knockout championship game and home advantage could be decisive."
I could see Fortune bringing in some of the u20s for the last 3 games.

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 769 - 29/04/2023 20:08:44    2474568

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Replying To Dheen:  "I could see Fortune bringing in some of the u20s for the last 3 games."
Lets call a spade a spade the under 20s SHOULD have beaten Wexford 17 wides numerous shots into goalkeepers hands missed goal chances and we still only lost 3-12 to 3-17.I know there are a lot of the team underage next year but we have to learn to be calm when taking opportunities and one of the forwards needs to be less selfish.A great effort but we let it slip and need to learn from our errors.The seniors were good for half an hour but the Dublin goal seemed to knock the stuffing out of us.I thought sone of the backs were loose and apart from Davy Glennon,Mitchell and Keyes when he came on the forwards all failed to win enough possession.I would hope Fortune brings on some of the under 20s we need them to strengthen the panel.
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jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 29/04/2023 21:38:30    2474605

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It's very disappointing tbh, I'm every year waiting for the big breakthrough (a higher team scalp) for westmeath hurling but another year gone and it has not happened, I'm. Here since 1999 when that v good minor team was v close. I was full sure Dublin could have been got at yesterday and I was hoping for a big u20 win too.... I'm still hopeful for something from the wexford game but beating Antrim now is massive for championships in to the future and the younger players coming through to senior.
I do think westmeath will beat antrim and survive but maybe not progressing as alot of us hoped for this year. The years of 50 50 games with the likes of carlow, down, kerry, meath, kildare etc are all behind westmeath now they've progressed on but to get the next big scalp is the big thing.

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 30/04/2023 14:55:19    2474713

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Replying To preddan:  "It's very disappointing tbh, I'm every year waiting for the big breakthrough (a higher team scalp) for westmeath hurling but another year gone and it has not happened, I'm. Here since 1999 when that v good minor team was v close. I was full sure Dublin could have been got at yesterday and I was hoping for a big u20 win too.... I'm still hopeful for something from the wexford game but beating Antrim now is massive for championships in to the future and the younger players coming through to senior.
I do think westmeath will beat antrim and survive but maybe not progressing as alot of us hoped for this year. The years of 50 50 games with the likes of carlow, down, kerry, meath, kildare etc are all behind westmeath now they've progressed on but to get the next big scalp is the big thing."
I dont know if its that dissapointing as we have made a lot of progress over twenty years.We have to remember we have less teams in Westmeath than Offaly,Laois,Kildare or Meath.I agree it is crucial we stay up for the talented young players coming up.Yesterday we panicked a little against Wexford but the group have a year to put that right as I think we only loose three and have Daragh Mccormack back.

To beat Antrim we will have to get back to 2022 form which we havent reached yet.The question is can we lets hope so.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 30/04/2023 15:43:46    2474720

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Why is the number of clubs relevant? That means Dublin should win every title or Cork. If you argue that Our population is at its highest for years, close to 98,000, other counties mentioned don't have those numbers. Making excuses is part of the problem we have mentally. Moral victories achieve nothing.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1478 - 30/04/2023 15:56:24    2474724

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Why is the number of clubs relevant? That means Dublin should win every title or Cork. If you argue that Our population is at its highest for years, close to 98,000, other counties mentioned don't have those numbers. Making excuses is part of the problem we have mentally. Moral victories achieve nothing."
The number of TEAMS is clearly of great relevance as it defines the pick a county has.
Pretty obvious I would have thought.One of our biggest challenges is to increase the number of teams we have in hurling and improve the coaching,S and C etc.
It doesnt mean that Dublin or Cork should win always but with populations of 1,500000 and 600000 only the blind cannot see they have an advantage.
As for the counties mentioned Kildare and Meath have two and a half times our population while Offaly and Laois are 95% of ours but both have more hurling teams.
Excuses we are not making but we have to work with our realities and at underage keep up at least with what Offaly are doing.
Yesterday we panicked a little against Wexford while they put out Galway.
Perhaps going forward as you seem to have a great interest but constant negativity instead of doing something positive is of no use to Westmeath.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 30/04/2023 16:28:27    2474736

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Increase the number of teams? Where? How? Utter nonsense. Make more sense to help out the struggling teams we have.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1478 - 30/04/2023 16:48:01    2474739

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Increase the number of teams? Where? How? Utter nonsense. Make more sense to help out the struggling teams we have."
I am sorry but you really need to return to English classes and understand the difference between the words CLUB and TEAMS.But lets try and educate you just one more time South to North.Southern Gaels are beginning to get their underage act together and clearly have potential in the not too distant future and compete with two adult teams and under 20.Father Daltons could have another adult team as the population is there.St Brigids is an organisational mess and even a modest improvement in club management would give us that.Both Oliver Plunketts and Cullion have improved at management and are beginning to see increased numbers
Get the idea?????
Now for the first time ever give us your unique insight into how to improve hurling instead of being critical of those giving views on how to improve.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 1445 - 30/04/2023 17:41:22    2474749

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Replying To jobber:  "I dont know if its that dissapointing as we have made a lot of progress over twenty years.We have to remember we have less teams in Westmeath than Offaly,Laois,Kildare or Meath.I agree it is crucial we stay up for the talented young players coming up.Yesterday we panicked a little against Wexford but the group have a year to put that right as I think we only loose three and have Daragh Mccormack back.

To beat Antrim we will have to get back to 2022 form which we havent reached yet.The question is can we lets hope so."
Potential u20 team for 2024.

1. Sean Jackson
2. Jack Murtagh
3. Ivan Smyth
4. Conor Gaffney
5. Connaire Martin
6. Rhian Holding
7. David Maloney
8. Peter Clarke
9. Conor Leech
10. Joe Mulvaney
11. David O'Reilly
12. Peter Murphy
13. Conor Heffernan
14. Darragh McCormack
15. David Williams

This team looks very strong on paper, with some good subs to come in as well.
The main thing would be for Andrew Dermody to stay on as he's been excellent!
I think Dermody with this team could make a property breakthrough

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 769 - 30/04/2023 18:55:35    2474780

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That's all you give though Jobber. Pie in the sky getting more lads hurling in the clubs you mentioned. Are the likes of Brian McCabe, Sean Smyth, Denis O' Rourke meant to give up working altogether and become full time coaches? They're doing well to field teams as they are. The likes of Noel Gavin and Keith Gorry doing Trojan work in Brigid's so no need to insult their efforts. What teams you involved with?

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 1478 - 30/04/2023 19:07:53    2474788

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Replying To Dheen:  "Potential u20 team for 2024.

1. Sean Jackson
2. Jack Murtagh
3. Ivan Smyth
4. Conor Gaffney
5. Connaire Martin
6. Rhian Holding
7. David Maloney
8. Peter Clarke
9. Conor Leech
10. Joe Mulvaney
11. David O'Reilly
12. Peter Murphy
13. Conor Heffernan
14. Darragh McCormack
15. David Williams

This team looks very strong on paper, with some good subs to come in as well.
The main thing would be for Andrew Dermody to stay on as he's been excellent!
I think Dermody with this team could make a property breakthrough"
Proper* I meant..


Also St Brigids look very much improved recently at underage

Dheen (Westmeath) - Posts: 769 - 30/04/2023 21:22:19    2474825

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