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Replying To carlowman:  "Are you actually blaming the scheduling of the football championship for Rathvilly' s loss?"
No certainly not. I'm just querying why the replay had to be shoehorned into a Saturday evening when there was no need for it. Have you any explanation?

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 11/11/2024 10:21:47    2579192

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Replying To CARPS:  "Darragh Foley epitomizes what the GAA is supposed to be about. Loyalty to club and county, no matter how difficult the circumstances.

If Darragh had been born in Dublin, Tyrone, Kerry or Armagh, he may well have an All-Ireland medal. He was that good.

Instead he has been an exceptional and devoted player for a small rural club, spending most of his time in junior and intermediate grades. He also never let Carlow down - unlike a few others who reacted poorly to the swings and roundabouts of playing for a less fashionable county, and never really fulfilled their potential.

Thanks for everything, Darragh."
Let's keep a bit context here, carps.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 11/11/2024 10:47:31    2579198

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Nothing new there for rathvilly, core.They have always been a disaster representing carlow."
A bit below the belt there Overthebar53: I wasn't at the game it was way out of reach for me, a bit unfair to say they have always been a disaster representing Carlow, from what I hear the 2 goals decided the game other than that it was 0-10 to 0-09 or 12 scores to 9 that's not a disaster or embarrassing.
If you read my post again, I did say, quote, Ardee St. Mary's would be big favourites going into that game, and football is strong across the county.

Carlow have a handful of clubs that are never fully tested on the way to their own Co. final, and you are sort of correct when you describe R'villy a disaster representing Carlow, if thats the case how do you describe the rest of the clubs who rarely if ever get the same chance to represent Carlow.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3049 - 11/11/2024 11:25:39    2579203

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Replying To supersub15:  "A bit below the belt there Overthebar53: I wasn't at the game it was way out of reach for me, a bit unfair to say they have always been a disaster representing Carlow, from what I hear the 2 goals decided the game other than that it was 0-10 to 0-09 or 12 scores to 9 that's not a disaster or embarrassing.
If you read my post again, I did say, quote, Ardee St. Mary's would be big favourites going into that game, and football is strong across the county.

Carlow have a handful of clubs that are never fully tested on the way to their own Co. final, and you are sort of correct when you describe R'villy a disaster representing Carlow, if thats the case how do you describe the rest of the clubs who rarely if ever get the same chance to represent Carlow."
Ardee won in a canter, supersub. No point in pretending otherwise. Just clutching at straws. WRT other Carlow teams all we have to go on are eire og ,palatine and OL all of whom have surpassed rathvillys record over the last 10 + years.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 11/11/2024 13:09:31    2579219

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Replying To supersub15:  "Sorry about that Overthebar53, I couldn't resist it, - you are probably right Ardee are big favourites no doubt but, if R'villy can raise their game for the entire 60 mins and beyond it could very well go down to the final whistle.
They can be a great little outfit when they want."
Here's your post again ,supersub. "They can be a great little outfit when they want" Did they choose not to be great on Sunday? "If rathvilly can raise their game etc"
They never turned up, let alone raise their game.
Stop digging.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 11/11/2024 13:19:06    2579221

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Here's your post again ,supersub. "They can be a great little outfit when they want" Did they choose not to be great on Sunday? "If rathvilly can raise their game etc"
They never turned up, let alone raise their game.
Stop digging."
Think positive Overthebar53.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3049 - 11/11/2024 20:00:26    2579273

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Replying To supersub15:  "Think positive Overthebar53."
I have been for the last 20 years. It hasn't worked.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 11/11/2024 20:17:52    2579280

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "I have been for the last 20 years. It hasn't worked."
Fair comment

Bimb (Carlow) - Posts: 455 - 11/11/2024 21:15:56    2579294

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "Let's keep a bit context here, carps."
Keep context in what sense - what do you mean?

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 11/11/2024 21:32:57    2579298

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Replying To Barrowsider:  "Ballon fenagh and rathvilly all out. We really need to take a good look at our club game. You can't compete at inter county with such a poor standard at club level"
I've posted before that I think we should reduce the amount of teams in each grade, to make it more competitive. Fenagh didn't too badly, but our senior and junior champions were way off the required standard.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 11/11/2024 21:37:01    2579301

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Replying To CARPS:  "Keep context in what sense - what do you mean?"
The hypemill

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 12/11/2024 01:00:21    2579311

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Replying To CARPS:  "I've posted before that I think we should reduce the amount of teams in each grade, to make it more competitive. Fenagh didn't too badly, but our senior and junior champions were way off the required standard."
I think we have to try something different as the current set up is clearly not up to scratch. Your suggestion is as good as any and it's simple to implement

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 12/11/2024 23:27:08    2579443

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "I think we have to try something different as the current set up is clearly not up to scratch. Your suggestion is as good as any and it's simple to implement"
I think no matter what you try it wont work, I don't think the issue here is anything other than appetite. Most clubs their goal for the year is to win a county championship, especially down the grades, i have never heard of a junior or intermediate club having a goal of winning a leinster championship. So a club that reaches their goal of winning a championship, especially if it is the first in sometime, the hunger for what comes next is not there and just go out to play it as it is a fixture that needs to be filled.

more4me (Carlow) - Posts: 106 - 13/11/2024 11:48:48    2579492

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Replying To more4me:  "I think no matter what you try it wont work, I don't think the issue here is anything other than appetite. Most clubs their goal for the year is to win a county championship, especially down the grades, i have never heard of a junior or intermediate club having a goal of winning a leinster championship. So a club that reaches their goal of winning a championship, especially if it is the first in sometime, the hunger for what comes next is not there and just go out to play it as it is a fixture that needs to be filled."
Are you saying a) this is unique to Carlow, or b) it's a general thing?

Because, if a) well then it seems Carlow clubs have a serious attitude problem - and are total outliers in this regard.

Or it it's b) well then why does it matter? If every other club county's clubs also don't care, then we just see that Carlow clubs are weaker.

The fact is we only have eight teams in each grade and our three champions were all knocked out in the first round.

No matter what spin you put on it, it suggests our brackets are below standard.

Would Tinryland have done better than Fenagh? The way they hammered Clonmore suggests probably.

Would Myshall or Ballinabranna have put up a better show than Ballon? I think that's pretty obvious.

I seriously think we should look at reducing the teams in each grade even further. We have only 20 clubs.

Also, one flaw of the current system is that - in senior - it's possible to have a year where two of Eire Og, Palatine and Rathvilly don't play each other.

Another thing we need to do is reintroduce competitive leagues, with promotion and relegation. Which are not connected to the championships. That way IFC and JFC clubs can get games against higher graded sides. You could have ten in every league division.

CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 723 - 15/11/2024 08:58:12    2579673

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Replying To CARPS:  "Are you saying a) this is unique to Carlow, or b) it's a general thing?

Because, if a) well then it seems Carlow clubs have a serious attitude problem - and are total outliers in this regard.

Or it it's b) well then why does it matter? If every other club county's clubs also don't care, then we just see that Carlow clubs are weaker.

The fact is we only have eight teams in each grade and our three champions were all knocked out in the first round.

No matter what spin you put on it, it suggests our brackets are below standard.

Would Tinryland have done better than Fenagh? The way they hammered Clonmore suggests probably.

Would Myshall or Ballinabranna have put up a better show than Ballon? I think that's pretty obvious.

I seriously think we should look at reducing the teams in each grade even further. We have only 20 clubs.

Also, one flaw of the current system is that - in senior - it's possible to have a year where two of Eire Og, Palatine and Rathvilly don't play each other.

Another thing we need to do is reintroduce competitive leagues, with promotion and relegation. Which are not connected to the championships. That way IFC and JFC clubs can get games against higher graded sides. You could have ten in every league division."
Let's be honest here, Éire Óg are the only club that have represented Carlow football well in the last 20 years. It's going to stay that way as well, Rathvilly are without a doubt the best team in Carlow at the minute but have no ambition to go any further. As for Fenagh and Ballon, has there ever been a junior/intermediate team in carlow do well? I don't think that's even an ambition for any of then

Collio (Carlow) - Posts: 36 - 15/11/2024 16:07:53    2579766

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Replying To Collio:  "Let's be honest here, Éire Óg are the only club that have represented Carlow football well in the last 20 years. It's going to stay that way as well, Rathvilly are without a doubt the best team in Carlow at the minute but have no ambition to go any further. As for Fenagh and Ballon, has there ever been a junior/intermediate team in carlow do well? I don't think that's even an ambition for any of then"
You need to do a little research before you start trotting out these fatalisms.Fenagh went deep in leinster not too long ago.Beaten by AI champions. Clonmore acquitted themselves admirably just last year. Ballon ditto a few years back. Grange were very unlucky a couple of years back. While it's nothing to write home about it's not the apocalypse that you're suggesting.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 15/11/2024 19:03:56    2579792

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St Mullins play Offaly visitors Kilcormac Killoughey on Sunday. Another great day for our hurling champions!
Thus will be some game !
Screeney comes to NCP with a massive reputation which is richly deserved. His fantastic touch and his pure skill is on a different sphere to most hother players and he has given plenty of exhibitions over the past few years.
The game will be worth going to see just to watch him alone.
But we have our own stars too !!! James Doyle and Marty Kavanagh as well as Paddy Boland will give plenty of trouble to the Offaly men too!
Could be a classic!

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1849 - 16/11/2024 00:35:10    2579834

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Hopefully St Mullins can go out today and give a strong performance against K/K. It'll be difficult for them after such a long lay off but if they can stay competitive til half time then there's a chance. Don't think they'll have any fear going into today's game anyway. Best of luck to them today.

Unusedsub (Carlow) - Posts: 90 - 17/11/2024 11:04:51    2579945

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Replying To Unusedsub:  "Hopefully St Mullins can go out today and give a strong performance against K/K. It'll be difficult for them after such a long lay off but if they can stay competitive til half time then there's a chance. Don't think they'll have any fear going into today's game anyway. Best of luck to them today."
They did OK in fairness to them .Absolute nonsense that St.mullins have to compete under such a disadvantage due to the obstinacy of our Co. Board.

Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 284 - 17/11/2024 21:02:16    2580048

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Replying To Overthebar53:  "They did OK in fairness to them .Absolute nonsense that St.mullins have to compete under such a disadvantage due to the obstinacy of our Co. Board."
Very slow to start and lost it in the first 20 minutes. Marty out of range with frees also. Have to agree they just weren't championship sharp. Otherwise I think they would have won that today.

Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1430 - 17/11/2024 22:38:48    2580062

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