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I don't think it's stretching the bounds of possibility to suggest Murphy's mind might have been changed if a proper management selection and appointment process had happened.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 25/04/2023 10:48:57 2473602 Link 3 |
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My difficulty is the coach was operating with full control under Paddy Carr yet Carr is ousted and then he insists that O'Rourke stays on? The evidence is clear on the pitch and our performances have not been good. Our team set up is all over the place and therefore you have to question the coaching. We are clueless in attack. There is poor movement and basic handling errors underlines that players do not know what eachother are doing. In addition, in the league we were trying to mix it up with Hugh at the edge of the square. On Sunday Hugh was sweeping at times and Jason was in there. It all seems very inconsistent. We have no shape in attack and it seems that we are just putting the head down and trying to go past men. Team spirit seems very poor also and I don't think the players believe in what they are being instructed. Do we expect improvement for the group games? I expected a bounce and a fight in the Ulster C'ship from the players but that hope is now gone for the groups. PeterQ92 (Donegal) - Posts: 104 - 25/04/2023 10:55:16 2473607 Link 0 |
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Are you serious championship football in Donegal is a borefest and it's stopping good young players reaching their potential. I feel for young lads who have huge potential having to play to negative systems.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2392 - 25/04/2023 10:59:21 2473612 Link 0 |
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You looking for respect lad. Ha. Take off your blinkers Mc Guinness will not manage Donegal again he may coach them. Sorry to disappoint you. Lol
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2392 - 25/04/2023 11:02:13 2473617 Link 0 |
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Did you watch them in the County Final last year? It was more skin to rugby league.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 797 - 25/04/2023 11:06:25 2473620 Link 1 |
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100 percent. He's still the top player in Donegal. He carried us for 13 years. We had good players but without Murphy there would be no all Ireland.. he kept everyone on their toes and demanded 100%. We'll probably never see the likes again.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2392 - 25/04/2023 11:06:33 2473621 Link 0 |
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Failed to answer as per usual. What great club are you from that plays outstanding attacking football? To embarrassed to say what club you are affiliated with, and you expect anyone to take you serious. Naomh conail and teams like glenswilly are a great example of how working as a team and working on youth will bring success. Both at one time or another were playing intermediate football, but worked hard to build a better club and deserve every success they have got. Now show a bit of respect for Naomh conail, a club that has produced great players that always gave 100% for there county. The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 687 - 25/04/2023 12:08:39 2473655 Link 0 |
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I fully agree about getting this mess sorted out early, getting organized and re-grouped for next seasons Division 2 campaign, as this season is a write off and a serious backward step for Donegal football. I can understand the allure of the US summer trip, with some top players getting >$30k for a few months, its especially appealing when its obvious that Donegal aren't going to do anything this year, but those that line out for Donegal will still have my full support.
Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 25/04/2023 12:15:09 2473662 Link 0 |
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Life is probably getting busy for Michael, he is getting married and has big job with ATU now, like the training demands for Intercounty are probably putting a massive strain on his already busy schedule. He has given so much to Donegal football over the years, he owes us nothing. Although Id love to see him maybe return next year for one final season in an impact role maybe, as he will still be a huge asset. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 25/04/2023 12:19:16 2473665 Link 0 |
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You're probably right. But the fierce competitor that's in him, hypothetically under a Kav/Lacey/Jim ticket he'd surely have been tempted. It's all speculation though.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 25/04/2023 12:44:59 2473675 Link 1 |
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All of them potentially, but for a few it would depend on the new management team, the prospects of the team actually seeming to be going places and for some players the likelihood of them getting regularly game time. I left Peadar Mogan out of that list by mistake earlier, and I probably left some other quality players out too, but that general list gives a clear indication of the level of experienced or conditioned players we lost this season. Like we can look at tactical setup and preparation, strength and conditioning etc, but Donegal losing that many players had to play a big role in this years fall from grace, Yet its been oddly ignored by pundits, who acknowledge that we lost Murphy, McHugh and McBrearty, but fail to see the greater impact to our squad. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 25/04/2023 12:47:55 2473676 Link 0 |
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Below is the level of talent not currently in the Donegal squad, of which I would consider 9 or 10 to be starting lineup players, if you look at our Championship squads for the last few years you will understand what I mean. The other players have serious experience too, which a large contingent of the current squad lack. Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 25/04/2023 12:55:43 2473680 Link 0 |
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The Roscommon management team was put in place a day after Donegal appointed management.
ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 724 - 25/04/2023 13:56:00 2473712 Link 0 |
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We had all these players available around the 2018-2020 period and we never challenged for an Al-Ireland. Murphy, McHugh and McBrearty were in their prime as well, granted Paddy got a bad injury in 2018. We were very good in that period but just never looked like we could progress to challenging for an All-Ireland. Those players would improve the team no doubt, maybe that is all that matters short term. However I think we should be looking forward, not backwards. Hopefully we can get a good management team in place for next year and start to build with a young squad. Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1873 - 25/04/2023 14:04:18 2473718 Link 0 |
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Listen here a lot of clubs have produced great players who have always given 100% percent for Donegal.. silly even to bring it up. In your eyes outside n Conal and Jim Mc Guinness donegal gaa doesn't exist. I have absolutely nothing against n Conal or Jim Mc Guinness. I admire n Conal for all they achieved your right it takes a lot of effort from a lot of people to achieve what they achieved as for Jim he gave us great days no disputing that. What I don't like especially from you is belittling great gaa men like bonner, rochford etc. who are you to belittle anybody . I'm not an expert contrary to what people think but I'm dam sure bonner and Co know more about football than. Me and most people on here. Did bonner go out to lose last year's Ulster final? no he didn't no prouder Donegal man who's done it all. Did he make mistakes of course he did ,did Jim make mistakes off course he did. There's nobody perfect. Did bonner deserve the on line abuse he got this few years no he didn't he's far too decent a person , nobody likes people treated like that. If players aren't happy with a set up they wudnt be long letting the manager know, in bonners term this was never an issue or did players leave the squad because of it. I'm not saying bring bonner back I'm just highlighting what happens when you demand change when players seem happy enough. Look at the mess we're in now. An absolute shambles. I've followed Donegal well over 40 years and to think that they'll be no big days in clones or croke park saddens me.. we're in big danger of sliding down the divisions.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2392 - 25/04/2023 14:39:38 2473735 Link 0 |
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Exactly. It wasn't the timing that was the problem. It was the fact that the management team we ended up with was no good.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 463 - 25/04/2023 18:25:56 2473825 Link 0 |
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I was at the County Final last year. Finals are never free flowing football especially the two teams in last years final that know each other so well. All other matches I attended were not defensive football. In the League so far Naomh Conaill have scored 1 - 11, 2 - 20 and 2 - 11.
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 267 - 25/04/2023 18:46:01 2473829 Link 0 |
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The problem with Championship football in Donegal is that four or five teams are so far ahead of the rest. A lot of clubs have either lost a lot of players through emigration or have a poor underage structure. Apart from the County Final last year most matches were open. County Finals are never free flowing football and especially last year when both teams knew each other so well.
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 267 - 25/04/2023 18:52:03 2473831 Link 0 |
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Why would Jim manage Donegal again? Time for other great Managers from other Clubs including your own club to step up. Jim has proven himself.
Scenicparish (Donegal) - Posts: 267 - 25/04/2023 18:55:46 2473832 Link 0 |
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Very dissapointed with your own Martin McHughs comments since Sundays game, referring to the result he said it was an embarresment and one of Donegals darkest days, were not London or New York , were Down a county with serious history , even though we havent won Ulster in years we still fancy ourselves as a Cship team, unfortunatly Martin couldent be gracious with his comments, maybe thats Martin being Martin , Looking ahead to Sunday we all know its a big ask for us to get a result, as Armagh will be big favourites an rightly so , but its Cship football and you never know , germac (Down) - Posts: 533 - 25/04/2023 19:29:43 2473839 Link 1 |