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Replying To TheRock2121: "If Jim joins in it would be as an advisor which means he might offer those in charge some advice. If anyone thinks Jim is coming in to go to training and watch Karl or Rory Kav take sessions and throw out a few cones your deluded. He might make an appearance at an odd session or talk to the players once a month. A bit like what Peter Canavan did with Tyrone under 20s when Dooher and Logan had them. This idea that Jim would be there more or less full time is crazy. I hope I'm wrong but can't see it. I know he came out publicly and said he was overlooked for the job but think that was an attempt to remove the two lads from the CB a wee bit quicker.
Also can't see the Kav and Jim ticket working out now since after the county final. Even if Kavanagh got it now would be want Jim on board after Jim was secretly training Glenties before the final." Jim will not manage Donegal anytime soon, he probably would take on some advisory role. We are in A mess and it only 11 days out from championship. A lot of the posters who had all the answers last year seem to have vanished off the earth.. they couldn't wait to get rid of bonner and rochford . One thing about rochford and bonner was that it was a well run management team. And I've no doubt that Murphy would still be there if the two lads stayed on. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't comes to mind.. sickened by it all
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Yeah, what Shefflin did should be the ideal model. But Kavanagh did win a county title so if Stefan didn't want it then Kavanagh is next in line based on recent success in the county.
SignTheContract (Donegal) - Posts: 197 - 12/04/2023 13:02:57
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The man publicly said he was willing to help out and be involved but was overlooked. How anyone here can determine to what level is beyond me. Some waffle and whataboutery in the responses. I'm out enjoy the championship lads, unfortunately it'll be a short one.
panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2856 - 12/04/2023 13:54:39
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Replying To rorysboys: "Jim will not manage Donegal anytime soon, he probably would take on some advisory role. We are in A mess and it only 11 days out from championship. A lot of the posters who had all the answers last year seem to have vanished off the earth.. they couldn't wait to get rid of bonner and rochford . One thing about rochford and bonner was that it was a well run management team. And I've no doubt that Murphy would still be there if the two lads stayed on. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't comes to mind.. sickened by it all" I hear Bonner has made a big transfer signing in Na Rossa - 47 year old Adrian Sweeney. One for the future that no doubt.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1189 - 12/04/2023 14:10:13
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Replying To panamasam: "The man publicly said he was willing to help out and be involved but was overlooked. How anyone here can determine to what level is beyond me. Some waffle and whataboutery in the responses. I'm out enjoy the championship lads, unfortunately it'll be a short one." You hope.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1148 - 12/04/2023 14:27:36
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Some good points above. Whilst we all have a fond attachment to ex county players, to throw them in to county management positions without a sustained period of experience would be a foolish move. They can be future managers no doubt about that but they need to prove themselves in coaching circles first. Playing and coaching are very different things.
Hopefully we can perform against Down, if not I fear (if what I'm hearing is correct) that we could see a number of players heading to the US to cash in for the summer. If so, the group games could be embarrassing for us. I'm fearing the worst.
Roll on the end completion of the county board review (I'm hopeful but not confident of the truth coming out) and a few heads rolling from the county board so we can put 2023 behind us, start the Academy afresh and get a new senior management in and finally undo the damage done over the past 6mths.
PeterQ92 (Donegal) - Posts: 154 - 12/04/2023 14:31:11
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Replying To PeterQ92: "Some good points above. Whilst we all have a fond attachment to ex county players, to throw them in to county management positions without a sustained period of experience would be a foolish move. They can be future managers no doubt about that but they need to prove themselves in coaching circles first. Playing and coaching are very different things.
Hopefully we can perform against Down, if not I fear (if what I'm hearing is correct) that we could see a number of players heading to the US to cash in for the summer. If so, the group games could be embarrassing for us. I'm fearing the worst.
Roll on the end completion of the county board review (I'm hopeful but not confident of the truth coming out) and a few heads rolling from the county board so we can put 2023 behind us, start the Academy afresh and get a new senior management in and finally undo the damage done over the past 6mths." Would you not rather have Murphy/Lacey with Jim helping out in the background managing us that O'Rourke and Bradley?
I think fellas would put the shoulder to the wheel for Murphy, management experience or not, he is a natural born leader.
Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3183 - 12/04/2023 15:18:26
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Replying To PeterQ92: "Some good points above. Whilst we all have a fond attachment to ex county players, to throw them in to county management positions without a sustained period of experience would be a foolish move. They can be future managers no doubt about that but they need to prove themselves in coaching circles first. Playing and coaching are very different things.
Hopefully we can perform against Down, if not I fear (if what I'm hearing is correct) that we could see a number of players heading to the US to cash in for the summer. If so, the group games could be embarrassing for us. I'm fearing the worst.
Roll on the end completion of the county board review (I'm hopeful but not confident of the truth coming out) and a few heads rolling from the county board so we can put 2023 behind us, start the Academy afresh and get a new senior management in and finally undo the damage done over the past 6mths." It is hard to understand that.The group stages is where we should be putting all our energy into.The fact that we are behind the curve in terms of fitness might mean we do not reach the Ulster final but Anton should have time to get us in to good shape for the group stages which to me are very appealing.We will be a seed 4 which means we will have the first game away to a seed 2 followed by a home game against a seed 1 ending with a neutral venue versus seed 3.You only have to finish third to stay in the champioship.It is a great opportunity for players with any ambition to progress.A lot will depend on the morale and determination within the squad who have shown in the past to be mentally very brittle.Think of the Armagh game last year.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1148 - 12/04/2023 15:19:30
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It's a very disheartening time here in Donegal at the moment with regard to the GAA. Ryan McHugh's decision to opt out has put the tin hat on things altogether. I had been naively optimistic that with a good bank of training after the league, along with a few injuries clearing up, and the lads having a bit of fire in their bellies with a point to prove, that we might have salvaged some semblance of respectability after a dismal start to 2023.
But it just seems to be one thing after the next. At this stage I think all we can hope for is that the lads go out and give it their best shot. Noone will be expecting anything of them. I'll be in Newry regardless.
I think the priority is obviously to clean things up at board level and get a new management team appointed without any messing. The new management team can spend the summer casting their eye over league and championship matches. We'll need a well conditioned, well coached & hungry team to hit the ground running in 2024. I never thought I'd say it, but with the way the new championship structure works, I don't think we can in any way assume we're too big/good to fall into Div 3 and TC championshop football.
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Replying To gunman: "It is hard to understand that.The group stages is where we should be putting all our energy into.The fact that we are behind the curve in terms of fitness might mean we do not reach the Ulster final but Anton should have time to get us in to good shape for the group stages which to me are very appealing.We will be a seed 4 which means we will have the first game away to a seed 2 followed by a home game against a seed 1 ending with a neutral venue versus seed 3.You only have to finish third to stay in the champioship.It is a great opportunity for players with any ambition to progress.A lot will depend on the morale and determination within the squad who have shown in the past to be mentally very brittle.Think of the Armagh game last year." I wouldn't get too excited about Anton doing the fitness work for the seniors. He did very little for the u20s in terms of fitness and S+C. Heard training wasn't intense enough and no gym sessions apart from a bit after training.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 629 - 12/04/2023 18:53:31
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Replying To rorysboys: "Jim will not manage Donegal anytime soon, he probably would take on some advisory role. We are in A mess and it only 11 days out from championship. A lot of the posters who had all the answers last year seem to have vanished off the earth.. they couldn't wait to get rid of bonner and rochford . One thing about rochford and bonner was that it was a well run management team. And I've no doubt that Murphy would still be there if the two lads stayed on. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't comes to mind.. sickened by it all" If you think anyone on this forum could have guessed how utterly ridiculous things would have turned in the last 9 months since Bonner departed, you're missing the point. The problem is that the county board were unable to oversee a proper process without it looking like Fawlty Towers.
Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1404 - 12/04/2023 19:13:10
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Replying To Lockjaw: "It's a very disheartening time here in Donegal at the moment with regard to the GAA. Ryan McHugh's decision to opt out has put the tin hat on things altogether. I had been naively optimistic that with a good bank of training after the league, along with a few injuries clearing up, and the lads having a bit of fire in their bellies with a point to prove, that we might have salvaged some semblance of respectability after a dismal start to 2023.
But it just seems to be one thing after the next. At this stage I think all we can hope for is that the lads go out and give it their best shot. Noone will be expecting anything of them. I'll be in Newry regardless.
I think the priority is obviously to clean things up at board level and get a new management team appointed without any messing. The new management team can spend the summer casting their eye over league and championship matches. We'll need a well conditioned, well coached & hungry team to hit the ground running in 2024. I never thought I'd say it, but with the way the new championship structure works, I don't think we can in any way assume we're too big/good to fall into Div 3 and TC championshop football." A good bank of training under aiden orourke???....what has he been doing with the donegal squad for the last 5 months???...we were miles off everyone in terms of fitness, apart from Kerry who it was well documented had no work done at that point.
I will be travelling to pairc esler in hope more than expectation, hoping that somehow we can produce a performance, results aside the only performance we put in this year was v Kerry in the first game. In every other game the performances, again results aside, were abysmal.
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1055 - 12/04/2023 20:08:22
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Would you not rather have Murphy/Lacey with Jim helping out in the background managing us that O'Rourke and Bradley?
I think fellas would put the shoulder to the wheel for Murphy, management experience or not, he is a natural born leader." Of course, that would be ideal and hopefully will happen in time. Lacey is now with Kilcoo, McGuiness still chasing the soccer thing and Murphy will probably get into coaching eventually.
O'Rourke and Bradley should have gone with Carr however that didnt happen we must now get behind them for the Down game and hope things can improve.
PeterQ92 (Donegal) - Posts: 154 - 12/04/2023 21:47:19
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Just reading Gary McDaid's take on the u20's and he's dead right in my opinion. Why didn't we dig our heels in regarding the change of date of the Derry game? Rory Gallagher was dead right. He foresaw the potential problem for him being unable to select his 5 u-20 players for the Fermanagh match if it went ahead as scheduled (Wed 12th). The Derry board were on the ball and exerted their influence, and were ultimately successful in their request being granted.
Meanwhile what we were we at? Just scratching our holes, shrugging our shoulders and accepting the situation? It pains me to say to it, but we really have gone back to the old soft-touch days where other counties are taking a hand of us and laughing. I'd say Rory Gallagher and Marty Boyle did some sniggering behind the scenes at how it all played out nicely for them.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9755 - 13/04/2023 09:50:17
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Replying To rorysboys: "Jim will not manage Donegal anytime soon, he probably would take on some advisory role. We are in A mess and it only 11 days out from championship. A lot of the posters who had all the answers last year seem to have vanished off the earth.. they couldn't wait to get rid of bonner and rochford . One thing about rochford and bonner was that it was a well run management team. And I've no doubt that Murphy would still be there if the two lads stayed on. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't comes to mind.. sickened by it all" did you not drive a heap of posters away with your constant holier than thou attitude, being Donegal's number 1 and greatest fan of course you know it all and take no prisoners and tell it like it is blah blah and whatever other platitude you love to say to pat yourself on the back
please rory as you are the main man, what should we do now, no use crying over spilt milk like so please give us all your wisdom for how we should think about future prospects of Donegal football, because you are never wrong of course
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Just reading Gary McDaid's take on the u20's and he's dead right in my opinion. Why didn't we dig our heels in regarding the change of date of the Derry game? Rory Gallagher was dead right. He foresaw the potential problem for him being unable to select his 5 u-20 players for the Fermanagh match if it went ahead as scheduled (Wed 12th). The Derry board were on the ball and exerted their influence, and were ultimately successful in their request being granted.
Meanwhile what we were we at? Just scratching our holes, shrugging our shoulders and accepting the situation? It pains me to say to it, but we really have gone back to the old soft-touch days where other counties are taking a hand of us and laughing. I'd say Rory Gallagher and Marty Boyle did some sniggering behind the scenes at how it all played out nicely for them." They probably thought they might get lucky with the toss and get a home game but then again they were probably using a double headed coin.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1148 - 13/04/2023 10:22:52
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Replying To totalrecall: "A good bank of training under aiden orourke???....what has he been doing with the donegal squad for the last 5 months???...we were miles off everyone in terms of fitness, apart from Kerry who it was well documented had no work done at that point.
I will be travelling to pairc esler in hope more than expectation, hoping that somehow we can produce a performance, results aside the only performance we put in this year was v Kerry in the first game. In every other game the performances, again results aside, were abysmal." Unless we have a kick in us and lads like Langan find their form I am very worried about the Down game. It might do us a bit of good to avoid the slog of Ulster and focus in on the group stages of the All-Ireland.
I heard Murphy on the Second Captains podcast recently talking about how much focus they put on Ulster Championship and how it would give them such a boost and momentum if they won it, but then the opposite was true if they lost it. I always felt that on the outside looking in that unless we won Ulster we wouldn't have a sniff come All-Ireland time.
I love winning Ulster as we don't have a million titles in our history but with the new structures especially I think that focus would be misguided, so I hope if the worst comes to pass we don't just give up the ghost on the summer, there are still competitive championship games to be played and plenty potential for learning and improving
CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 163 - 13/04/2023 10:24:19
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The academy mess, the managerial appointment, the strength and conditioning (across the board), the reaction to the u20 fixture change, the transition of players to coaches to intercounty management, almost every issue that crops its head here comes back to governance, structures and long term cohesive planning.
Did the CB even talk to the u20 management regarding the fixture change. You look at the mess Derry have been for a long number of years, it didn't take long for things to change once they got their house in order.
What happens here over the coming months at CB level will dictate everything, get it right from the top down and we have as good a chance as any county. Get it wrong and we spiral.
ninety-two (Donegal) - Posts: 27 - 13/04/2023 10:25:15
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Replying To PeterQ92: "Of course, that would be ideal and hopefully will happen in time. Lacey is now with Kilcoo, McGuiness still chasing the soccer thing and Murphy will probably get into coaching eventually.
O'Rourke and Bradley should have gone with Carr however that didnt happen we must now get behind them for the Down game and hope things can improve." The general opinion on this forum is that O'Rourke and Bradley are no good.Given all that has gone on in the background what would it take for the opinion of them to change.What would be regarded as a good season for Donegal now.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1148 - 13/04/2023 10:30:27
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