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Replying To The_analyser:  "Last 15 minutes of action yesterday.

Scores Roscommon 0-2 (McCormack, D Murtagh free) and Mayo 0-1 (Loftus from play)

Other scoring opportunities

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Enda Smith goal chance sent wide.
McCormack goal chance sent wide
R Fallon point effort wide
D Murtagh point effort kicked short
D Cregg point effort kicked short

Mayo just one effort which was for a point and kicked wide on 72 mins from Towey."
Interesting points Analyser. Tends to disprove the point that we fell away due to lack of fitness at the end of the game. We got more possession at midfield than we usually do but did not bring our shooting boots, while a couple of our players had a very bad day out. Some very unfair personal criticisms of individuals involved with the senior team by new kids on the block while building up the management of the under 20 team who have won only one game in four. I wonder why?
I support all Roscommon teams until the county board decide that there is time for a change. Ben O Carrroll, and Keith Doyle will now have another four weeks to get fully fit and hopefully a couple of other players can find some form as they seemed to lack energy during the entire game, which is a bit of a worry. Were they carrying injuries, over trained, out played, demotivated, or just having an off day? We will find out in a few weeks.
Let's see how the rest of the championship pans out for all our minor, under 20 and senior teams.
The best of luck to all.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 558 - 23/04/2024 09:30:03    2540040

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It's high time Roscommon chiefs sat down and decided on a long term plan for the senior team, something akin to what must have happened in Derry when they hit Division 4 a few years ago. We've no shortage of class, individual players, and by the looks of our underage teams, that doesn't look like slowing up anytime soon. But without a strong coherent system of playing and thinking (belief, drive, where are we going), we'll never surmount where we are now. We're not a collective team at the moment, just relying on individual talent. I really feel we need a Roscommon manager, someone who knows the terrain and is 100% in it for the county and not for personal future goals (not a dig at external managers, but your own county is your own county). The big money should be spent on top class external coaches, but all this should be guided by a solid and realistic long term plan to get the most out of, and give the most to, the players involved. Ros Comáin Abú.

SpanishRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 26 - 23/04/2024 09:43:01    2540045

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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer:  "Game pretty much decided with 15 minutes to go was in no small part to Roscommon. They had two big goal chances driven wide in the final quarter and had points was taken then it would have made for a grandstand finish.

I attended Saturday's game in Markievicz park and left wondering where Galway was going after that. I've since watched back on the match in the Hyde yesterday and now I'm more confident that Galway can retain their Connacht title for a 3rd year in a row on their home patch. Mayo was every neutral's favourite 2nd team with the brand of football they played over the years as matches turned to chaos. Right now Mayo are a lot more structured with 14 men behind the ball (AOS doesn't drop back) when out of possession. Mayo's style of play is every bit as boring as Galway at the moment and regardless of the weather conditions in two weeks time I will expect a pure war of attrition contest something that won't please many pundits but it is what it is now."
Ah come on they were not big goal chances. Smith was at a tight angle with Reape and Callinan in front of him.

McCormack wasn't even inside the large rectangle when he lashed at the ball. There was a man diving on his boot too. Has he ever scored a goal from that distance before?

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 430 - 23/04/2024 09:45:40    2540047

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As a neutral I watched the game on the telly. At no stage did Roscommon look like they might win. They had zero goal chances despite what others think. Their efforts for points were extremely poor especially in the second half. On the other hand Mayo fluffed a few goal opportunities. Once Mayo went 5 /6 points up they were happy and just played out the last 15 minutes. Aidan O Shea has been a great servant to Mayo football but his best days are over. When you see him playing well you know that Roscommon weren't great. I would say the very same thing about Conor Cox. Hard to know how the Connacht final will go. Form goes out the window when these teams meet. There's a lot of football to be played yet before you start thinking of the quarter finals for any team.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1735 - 23/04/2024 10:05:00    2540053

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A frustrating day out in Hyde Park Sunday. I don't think we (Roscommon fans) can have any complaints - Mayo were the better team, took their chances and deserved the win. While I agree with lot of the comments on the standard of this current Mayo group, I still see them winning the Connaught championship and bring in the mix further down the line - I think a semi final is their limit at this moment in time with the group they have, but when you're that far down the line anything can happen.

From a Roscommon point of view, what we feared came to pass. Slightly better than the league performances (which would be expected for a home championship game) - but I can't see any group scenario at the moment where Roscommon can expect to come 1st/2nd and make a quarter final.

The group seems to have very little spark, leadership and stand out players that can drag us trough games (which we have seen Enda Smith, Ciarain murtagh, Diarmuid Murtagh and Cian McKeon do before). Hopefully this next 3/4 weeks the lads can reset, refocus and go at teams in the group stage because at the minute, we dont seem to have an attacking system or defensive system which ultimately is never going to end well.

Rossfan93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 27 - 23/04/2024 12:26:13    2540104

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Replying To Rossfan93:  "A frustrating day out in Hyde Park Sunday. I don't think we (Roscommon fans) can have any complaints - Mayo were the better team, took their chances and deserved the win. While I agree with lot of the comments on the standard of this current Mayo group, I still see them winning the Connaught championship and bring in the mix further down the line - I think a semi final is their limit at this moment in time with the group they have, but when you're that far down the line anything can happen.

From a Roscommon point of view, what we feared came to pass. Slightly better than the league performances (which would be expected for a home championship game) - but I can't see any group scenario at the moment where Roscommon can expect to come 1st/2nd and make a quarter final.

The group seems to have very little spark, leadership and stand out players that can drag us trough games (which we have seen Enda Smith, Ciarain murtagh, Diarmuid Murtagh and Cian McKeon do before). Hopefully this next 3/4 weeks the lads can reset, refocus and go at teams in the group stage because at the minute, we dont seem to have an attacking system or defensive system which ultimately is never going to end well."
Hard to see us get a defensive and attacking system plus fitness levels and enthusiasm required in 4 weeks.
We seem to be going through the motions a bit.
Yet if we had kicked a bit straighter we could have won Sunday.
Or would Mayo have upped it a bit more and won anyway?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1592 - 23/04/2024 13:41:44    2540129

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Ah come on they were not big goal chances. Smith was at a tight angle with Reape and Callinan in front of him.

McCormack wasn't even inside the large rectangle when he lashed at the ball. There was a man diving on his boot too. Has he ever scored a goal from that distance before?"
A player of Enda Smith's quality from that position is more than capable of dropping the shoulder and calmly rolling the ball into the net. What he did summed up his day. For McCormack's chance if his shot was on target it's probably a goal plus he could have laid the ball off to a totally unmarked Roscommon player in front of him. As I said already even if two points was taken from those chances and the game brought back to 3 points it would have made for a very intriguing finish to the contest.

Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 140 - 23/04/2024 13:49:44    2540135

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Replying To eoinog:  "As a neutral I watched the game on the telly. At no stage did Roscommon look like they might win. They had zero goal chances despite what others think. Their efforts for points were extremely poor especially in the second half. On the other hand Mayo fluffed a few goal opportunities. Once Mayo went 5 /6 points up they were happy and just played out the last 15 minutes. Aidan O Shea has been a great servant to Mayo football but his best days are over. When you see him playing well you know that Roscommon weren't great. I would say the very same thing about Conor Cox. Hard to know how the Connacht final will go. Form goes out the window when these teams meet. There's a lot of football to be played yet before you start thinking of the quarter finals for any team."
From one neutral to another you probably need to get the eye sight checked if you think Roscommon had zero goal chances. Two I already mentioned. 1st half Reape was out of his goal was another but Roscommon messed that up also unlike Donegal the night before. Daire Cregg point in the 2nd half could easily have been a goal also. Of course Roscommon weren't great highlighted by scoring just 13 times from near 30 scoring opportunities.

AOS will be marked better in the final, close eye will be kept on O'Donoghue also, probably a task for Johnny McGrath who has been good all year. I fancy Galway for the final especially if similar goal chances are given up and will probably need one or two goals against them and concede none which is usually the way to beat Mayo more often than not.

Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 140 - 23/04/2024 14:00:25    2540145

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How silly of me so we actually had "Zero goal changes" got to love hoganstand and such opinion pieces.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3808 - 23/04/2024 14:05:48    2540148

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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer:  "From one neutral to another you probably need to get the eye sight checked if you think Roscommon had zero goal chances. Two I already mentioned. 1st half Reape was out of his goal was another but Roscommon messed that up also unlike Donegal the night before. Daire Cregg point in the 2nd half could easily have been a goal also. Of course Roscommon weren't great highlighted by scoring just 13 times from near 30 scoring opportunities.

AOS will be marked better in the final, close eye will be kept on O'Donoghue also, probably a task for Johnny McGrath who has been good all year. I fancy Galway for the final especially if similar goal chances are given up and will probably need one or two goals against them and concede none which is usually the way to beat Mayo more often than not."
Eyesight is perfect.
Mayo keeper was never tested.
Smith should have fisted it over the bar as the angle was too tight to get it by the defender and the keeper. The other chance you mentioned doesn't even warrant an answer as it was a long way out and way off target.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1735 - 23/04/2024 14:07:39    2540150

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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer:  "A player of Enda Smith's quality from that position is more than capable of dropping the shoulder and calmly rolling the ball into the net. What he did summed up his day. For McCormack's chance if his shot was on target it's probably a goal plus he could have laid the ball off to a totally unmarked Roscommon player in front of him. As I said already even if two points was taken from those chances and the game brought back to 3 points it would have made for a very intriguing finish to the contest."
If Smith dropped the shoulder and tried to go inside he would've turned straight into Callinan. With the angle he had the only option was go for the near post, where Reape was covering. At that angle even if it had been on target the keeper more than likely saves.

"If his shot was on target it's probably a goal" - you've no way of knowing that. It was hit from such a distance Reape would have had loads of time to react. It would need to have been right in the corner and how likely is a wing back to do that?

If you're going down the road of player x should have played in y who was unmarked then Mayo also missed a few goal chances.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 430 - 23/04/2024 14:27:10    2540158

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Both was goal chances lads and my main argument is that not even a point was got from those opportunities and misses like that basically left Mayo in their comfort zone to see out the game.

Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 140 - 23/04/2024 14:48:26    2540166

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Replying To Drax_the_destroyer:  "Both was goal chances lads and my main argument is that not even a point was got from those opportunities and misses like that basically left Mayo in their comfort zone to see out the game."
There was a point from the McCormack effort as the ref was playing an advantage for a foul on Brian Stack so he brought it back for a free after the shot was missed by Eoin.

D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 178 - 23/04/2024 15:08:45    2540184

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Replying To eoinog:  "Eyesight is perfect.
Mayo keeper was never tested.
Smith should have fisted it over the bar as the angle was too tight to get it by the defender and the keeper. The other chance you mentioned doesn't even warrant an answer as it was a long way out and way off target."
Plenty of goal opportunities are wasted without the keeper tested and on Sunday had both shots been on target they probably would have flew past Reape before he got a chance to save it. Take O'Shea's goal for example it wasn't a goal opportunity when he first received the ball and made it into to one helped by some very poor Roscommon defending

Eamon Fitzmaurice summed it up well on Monday in his article

"Roscommon have plenty of good forwards but their conversion rate in idyllic conditions in Dr Hyde Park was abysmal. Their shooting accuracy from play was 38%. They had two more attacks than Mayo (38 v 36), four more shots (28 v 24) but ended up losing by five. Tidy up that element of their game and they will be awkward opposition later in the championship.'

The main problem for Roscommon Sunday was they never made it awkward for Mayo which no doubt be their biggest regrets to take from that game.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3399 - 23/04/2024 15:14:21    2540186

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Plenty of goal opportunities are wasted without the keeper tested and on Sunday had both shots been on target they probably would have flew past Reape before he got a chance to save it. Take O'Shea's goal for example it wasn't a goal opportunity when he first received the ball and made it into to one helped by some very poor Roscommon defending

Eamon Fitzmaurice summed it up well on Monday in his article

"Roscommon have plenty of good forwards but their conversion rate in idyllic conditions in Dr Hyde Park was abysmal. Their shooting accuracy from play was 38%. They had two more attacks than Mayo (38 v 36), four more shots (28 v 24) but ended up losing by five. Tidy up that element of their game and they will be awkward opposition later in the championship.'

The main problem for Roscommon Sunday was they never made it awkward for Mayo which no doubt be their biggest regrets to take from that game."
Eamon Fitzmaurice among the best pundits out there and in truth some of them are bloody awful so much so it's hard to believe they played at inter county level football at all.

The stats on shooting on Sunday was grim reading for us however midfield/breaking ball turnovers etc was more positive stats and it needs to be taken into account that we were up against a top six team who will be expecting to reach the AI semi final at least.

Remains to be seen what the 4/5 weeks will bring. Players will be allowed to play with their clubs during that break which is the right call. David Murray is awaiting his scan results on his ankle injury and Harney is out for a few weeks with hamstring strain. Hussey and Heneghan should be part of the 26 man panel for the next game

Round 1 will be away trip to Kerry, Dublin, Ulster champions (anyone of Tyrone, Armagh, Donegal) or perhaps we'll get a short trip to Pearse Stadium, MacHale Park.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3808 - 23/04/2024 15:47:54    2540197

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The disappointing thing about the defeats is it's hard to see where the improvements are or where we are developing. Bad enough our defending doesn't seem to be improving but our attacking play is also suffering. I'm clinging on to the hope that maybe they are putting all their stock into going hell for leather in the group stages and to make a QF. Is it possible to be playing a low intensity, containment game so far to try and save themselves for later.

A big difference in the goalkeeper out of the goal scenario between Ros and Donegal was you can bet McGuinness had them repeating that scenario over and over again in training to the point that the final kicker finds the net each time with great confidence and calmness. When it happened to us there was a bit of panic and lack of confidence to take on the shot and then the chance went.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 897 - 23/04/2024 18:15:58    2540230

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Did not think there was much between the teams on Sunday if Roscommon had taken their scores like Mayo. Accurate score taking was one of the strengths of Roscommon teams in previous years.
Neither are not going to win the All Ireland but it is interesting to see that Mayo are now 12-1 and Roscommon are 150-1.
Mayo are also favourites for the Connacht final.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 558 - 23/04/2024 19:09:12    2540240

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For anyone interested in having a look at who we will meet in the under 20 Connacht final, TG4 Sport are showing the Galway v Sligo match tomorrow night on YouTube. They also showed the two Leinster semi-finals tonight on Youtube,
Big surprise when Louth had a great 4 point win over Dublin. (1-13 to 1-9) They have some serious players and could be dark horses.
Meath beat Kildare by 2-9 to 0-10 in the other semi final.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 558 - 23/04/2024 20:58:18    2540262

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "For anyone interested in having a look at who we will meet in the under 20 Connacht final, TG4 Sport are showing the Galway v Sligo match tomorrow night on YouTube. They also showed the two Leinster semi-finals tonight on Youtube,
Big surprise when Louth had a great 4 point win over Dublin. (1-13 to 1-9) They have some serious players and could be dark horses.
Meath beat Kildare by 2-9 to 0-10 in the other semi final."
I think the Connacht champions ( hopefully Roscommon) will play the Ulster champions in the semi final this year.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2222 - 23/04/2024 21:21:25    2540269

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Did not think there was much between the teams on Sunday if Roscommon had taken their scores like Mayo. Accurate score taking was one of the strengths of Roscommon teams in previous years.
Neither are not going to win the All Ireland but it is interesting to see that Mayo are now 12-1 and Roscommon are 150-1.
Mayo are also favourites for the Connacht final."
Not that interesting regarding the bookie odds. Mayo wont be winning Sam but we have a habit of getting to finals…bookies cover themselves. We can take a contender out on a good day but don't have the consistency or team to compete at present. Roscommon have not been in a final for decades.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11284 - 23/04/2024 22:07:19    2540282

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