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Replying To ComainRos:  "Couldn't agree more. Was at the game and Hyde Park looked great. Well done to all in having it look so good. Big crowd there as expected. Both teams average at best. Mayo much fitter than us and better coached. To me that was the difference. Mayo could transition from defence to attack much quicker. We had no real plan or shape from what I could see. Such a pity as I think if we had the right set up and tactics that game was there for the taking. It seems to be the same old same old with Ros. I couldn't help but think back to a post someone had posted previously that said Mark McHugh left his coaching role because the players wouldn't commit to a plan he felt was needed to bring Ros to the next level. If that is true then its very sad.
We'll never get any better than where we're currently at if that was the case. Pity as I feel we have really talented players. I can't see us improving either after today. I feel Davy will probably move on and then it's a case of hoping we can get another management team in place before the Division 2 campaign. Anyway I'll be there to shout on the lads in the All Ireland series and I hope I'm proven wrong and we produce a couple of wins. Ros Comáin abú"
I'd be really surprised if the players wouldn't buy into that. And I could be completely wrong but did that help C Murtagh make up his mind in stepping away for this year. If McHugh stayed and he thought the team had potential to be brought up another level would Ciaran have stayed on?

I hope we can lift things for the group stages but there just seems to be very little evidence on show so far in how we are going to do that. There's no shame in losing to Mayo or any of the top tier teams but it's the manner we are losing and it's very hard to see any progression. It's like we approach games with a damage limitation plan, then run out of steam and get beaten easily in the end. If Davy does step away after this campaign I think the county board need to be more strategic in who they bring in next. Preferably someone from within the county but with an external coach of the likes of McHugh who know the type of environment that's needed to bring a team up a level. I know there was a few Connacht successes but in hindsight now looking back over the last three managers the talents of a fine group of footballers were wasted.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 897 - 22/04/2024 10:50:34    2539765

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Hard luck. Hyde park is a great venue. Probably the worst Mayo team in 20 years though. We were there for the taking and ye didn't show up. We won't be doing much this summer but we knew that already. IF we win Connacht I'll be happy with that…sad state of affairs."
Hopefully yew_tree that after the development work that has taken place in the Hyde, it will get a game or two in the qualifiers. (Neutral venue). Local businesses could do with it .
* Good ground and capacity
* Central location
* Railway line
* Pitch near town, pubs, car parks
As most of the main pitches in Connacht are near the coast, it is unlikely that many (neutral) matches will be played in Connacht. It is also unfair to ask Mayo, Galway and Sligo fans to spend extra hours and costs travelling to Croke Park, never mind the environmental costs.
Still some development work to do but the county board have made an excellent start. Hopefully Croke Park and the Connacht Council are listening/reading re a few grants in order to finish the job.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 558 - 22/04/2024 11:00:10    2539772

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Way Mayo have been playing since McStay took over hasn't been much better than what they displayed today and I'm not sure can they play much better either as they don't have the quality of players and leaders/warriors that they had from 2012 to 2017.

Roscommon all year has no spark to them and it's hard to see where any spark will come from for the All Ireland group stage. Some of the experienced without naming them look done, of the new or newish they'll need a lot more time to bed into the team and rhythm of play."
In 2012 Mayo only beat Sligo by 2 points in the Connacht final.

In 2014 we were haunted lucky to get a 1 point win over Roscommon in the Hyde

In 2016 and 17 we lost to Galway in Connacht.

A 5 point win away to Roscommon with the game pretty much decided 15 minutes before the end compares well with any previous Mayo teams.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 430 - 22/04/2024 13:00:14    2539843

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Hard luck. Hyde park is a great venue. Probably the worst Mayo team in 20 years though. We were there for the taking and ye didn't show up. We won't be doing much this summer but we knew that already. IF we win Connacht I'll be happy with that…sad state of affairs."
You're doing way too much poor mouthing recently yew tree.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 430 - 22/04/2024 13:04:42    2539847

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "I'd be really surprised if the players wouldn't buy into that. And I could be completely wrong but did that help C Murtagh make up his mind in stepping away for this year. If McHugh stayed and he thought the team had potential to be brought up another level would Ciaran have stayed on?

I hope we can lift things for the group stages but there just seems to be very little evidence on show so far in how we are going to do that. There's no shame in losing to Mayo or any of the top tier teams but it's the manner we are losing and it's very hard to see any progression. It's like we approach games with a damage limitation plan, then run out of steam and get beaten easily in the end. If Davy does step away after this campaign I think the county board need to be more strategic in who they bring in next. Preferably someone from within the county but with an external coach of the likes of McHugh who know the type of environment that's needed to bring a team up a level. I know there was a few Connacht successes but in hindsight now looking back over the last three managers the talents of a fine group of footballers were wasted."
If Davy does step away if I was Roscommon I'd be going all out to being in Rory Gallagher. Yee have some deadly footballers but need a bit of steel that he would bring to the table. A couple more names Malachy O'Rourke or even Ciaran McGeeney as I'm sure he will step away from Armagh if they don't win ulster.

lugdrum (Leitrim) - Posts: 317 - 22/04/2024 13:29:43    2539855

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Replying To MayoDan:  "In 2012 Mayo only beat Sligo by 2 points in the Connacht final.

In 2014 we were haunted lucky to get a 1 point win over Roscommon in the Hyde

In 2016 and 17 we lost to Galway in Connacht.

A 5 point win away to Roscommon with the game pretty much decided 15 minutes before the end compares well with any previous Mayo teams."
There was clear room for improvement for Mayo in those games back then I don't really see that with the current crop. Mayo's best forward by a mile is O'Donoghue and he played well yesterday. Aidan O'Shea had his best performance in the Mayo jersey for a while and scored 1-1 will he do better in any other games? Boland got his average of 2 points from play per game. Can midfield improve as there is no Sean O'Shea,Parsons,Barry Moran for that area anymore. Defensively was solid yesterday as Mayo possibly could be but still gave up 28 scoring chances and do that in that All Ireland series sides won't be as wasteful as Roscommon was yesterday.

Maybe you think different but for me it's hard to see Mayo reaching the heights of 2012 to 2017.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3399 - 22/04/2024 13:42:11    2539859

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "There was clear room for improvement for Mayo in those games back then I don't really see that with the current crop. Mayo's best forward by a mile is O'Donoghue and he played well yesterday. Aidan O'Shea had his best performance in the Mayo jersey for a while and scored 1-1 will he do better in any other games? Boland got his average of 2 points from play per game. Can midfield improve as there is no Sean O'Shea,Parsons,Barry Moran for that area anymore. Defensively was solid yesterday as Mayo possibly could be but still gave up 28 scoring chances and do that in that All Ireland series sides won't be as wasteful as Roscommon was yesterday.

Maybe you think different but for me it's hard to see Mayo reaching the heights of 2012 to 2017."
Of course the Mayo midfield can improve. Majority of the problems yesterday was on breaks and some of that is just down to luck. In the league Mayo completely dominated Roscommon in the middle third and Derry too for large parts.

The Mayo defence conceded 13 points in perfect conditions which is pretty good. I don't remember Roscommon missing any sitters. Most of them were from distance or tight angles.

Also it was Jordan Flynn's first game back after injury and it showed. He's one of our top players usually. Also missing the two O'Connors and Eoghan McLaughlin who destroyed Roscommon in the league game.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 430 - 22/04/2024 14:07:33    2539868

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Replying To MayoDan:  "In 2012 Mayo only beat Sligo by 2 points in the Connacht final.

In 2014 we were haunted lucky to get a 1 point win over Roscommon in the Hyde

In 2016 and 17 we lost to Galway in Connacht.

A 5 point win away to Roscommon with the game pretty much decided 15 minutes before the end compares well with any previous Mayo teams."
It was enough to get us to a Connacht Final without looking great. Roscommon can play much better than they did yesterday, they have good forwards that can play better than they did yesterday. Am beginning to believe some stories I heard for weeks that they've stopped playing for Davy Burke. I thought there was no bite from the Rossies yesterday, bar Donie Smith. Not much aggression like any Mayo team will always get against the Rossies in any game. On another day Enda Smith would have buried his goal chance. Looked like they put a lot of their plans on O'Carroll playing well. They just didn't look at it yesterday. We didn't look too much better but our defending was good even if it wasn't too tested. Hopefully Roscommon will pick it up in the qualifiers.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7432 - 22/04/2024 14:08:02    2539869

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Replying To lugdrum:  "If Davy does step away if I was Roscommon I'd be going all out to being in Rory Gallagher. Yee have some deadly footballers but need a bit of steel that he would bring to the table. A couple more names Malachy O'Rourke or even Ciaran McGeeney as I'm sure he will step away from Armagh if they don't win ulster."
Joke of the day!

moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1086 - 22/04/2024 14:48:02    2539884

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Replying To moros:  "Joke of the day!"
Joke of the day more like joke of the season !!!

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1735 - 22/04/2024 15:23:34    2539896

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Roscommon are so poorly coached. You cannot operate at inter county level with the backroom team that Roscommon have. Mayo have Donie Buckley, Stephen Rochford, Joe Canney as well as Damien Mulligan all coaching and McStay manages the group. What have Roscommon? Davy Burke trying to manage and coach, Lar Wall who has no inter county experience coaching. The set up and coaching is below most good club teams here in Roscommon. They are dying in the last 20 minutes of every game, Noel Flynn is not at the level required for inter county S&C, he runs gym's and Burke brought him in because he is friends with him.

rossie4sam (Roscommon) - Posts: 6 - 22/04/2024 15:37:02    2539899

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Replying To lugdrum:  "If Davy does step away if I was Roscommon I'd be going all out to being in Rory Gallagher. Yee have some deadly footballers but need a bit of steel that he would bring to the table. A couple more names Malachy O'Rourke or even Ciaran McGeeney as I'm sure he will step away from Armagh if they don't win ulster."
Rory Gallagher will never be asked to coach or manage a county team ever again. If he was, many sponsors, county officials and supporters would be disgusted and walk away.

You have to have some principles in life.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 558 - 22/04/2024 15:40:40    2539900

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "It was enough to get us to a Connacht Final without looking great. Roscommon can play much better than they did yesterday, they have good forwards that can play better than they did yesterday. Am beginning to believe some stories I heard for weeks that they've stopped playing for Davy Burke. I thought there was no bite from the Rossies yesterday, bar Donie Smith. Not much aggression like any Mayo team will always get against the Rossies in any game. On another day Enda Smith would have buried his goal chance. Looked like they put a lot of their plans on O'Carroll playing well. They just didn't look at it yesterday. We didn't look too much better but our defending was good even if it wasn't too tested. Hopefully Roscommon will pick it up in the qualifiers."
Look at the kickout stats from yesterday... How can you say Roscommon weren't at it or showed no bite?

Surely we would have cleaned up the breaking ball if that was the case.

MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 430 - 22/04/2024 15:46:03    2539904

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Look at the kickout stats from yesterday... How can you say Roscommon weren't at it or showed no bite?

Surely we would have cleaned up the breaking ball if that was the case."
I was in the stand and saw very little aggression from Roscommon players bar Donie Smith. He was fready to get stuck in to any physical encounters and I've seen Roscommon players well able to get stuck into Mayo players in previous games. The only stat that counts is the full time score.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7432 - 22/04/2024 16:41:59    2539922

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Replying To rossie4sam:  "Roscommon are so poorly coached. You cannot operate at inter county level with the backroom team that Roscommon have. Mayo have Donie Buckley, Stephen Rochford, Joe Canney as well as Damien Mulligan all coaching and McStay manages the group. What have Roscommon? Davy Burke trying to manage and coach, Lar Wall who has no inter county experience coaching. The set up and coaching is below most good club teams here in Roscommon. They are dying in the last 20 minutes of every game, Noel Flynn is not at the level required for inter county S&C, he runs gym's and Burke brought him in because he is friends with him."
Unfortunately that is all correct and the blame lies at the door of the Roscommon County Board who are writing around today to Club Rossie supporters seeking €600 donations.I'm happy to pay but we need better than yesterday.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2222 - 22/04/2024 17:24:47    2539944

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Replying To MayoDan:  "Of course the Mayo midfield can improve. Majority of the problems yesterday was on breaks and some of that is just down to luck. In the league Mayo completely dominated Roscommon in the middle third and Derry too for large parts.

The Mayo defence conceded 13 points in perfect conditions which is pretty good. I don't remember Roscommon missing any sitters. Most of them were from distance or tight angles.

Also it was Jordan Flynn's first game back after injury and it showed. He's one of our top players usually. Also missing the two O'Connors and Eoghan McLaughlin who destroyed Roscommon in the league game."
I have my doubts can Mayo improve in midfield. Not about luck the best and most consistent players react the quickest. I wouldn't be reading much out of league games especially any match played on a wet and windy night more often than not those games are pure phony wars. Roscommon left at least 2-5 behind them yesterday and better and more accurate team wouldn't have been as wasteful.

Mayo 2012 to 2017 reached and were highly competitive in All Ireland finals and arguably Mayo had all the ingredients in starting 15 and subs to bring on to win the All Ireland. Right now a well stocked and expensive management team but not the same calibre of player in the terms leadership and pure warriors.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3399 - 22/04/2024 17:33:41    2539947

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Replying To MayoDan:  "In 2012 Mayo only beat Sligo by 2 points in the Connacht final.

In 2014 we were haunted lucky to get a 1 point win over Roscommon in the Hyde

In 2016 and 17 we lost to Galway in Connacht.

A 5 point win away to Roscommon with the game pretty much decided 15 minutes before the end compares well with any previous Mayo teams."
Game pretty much decided with 15 minutes to go was in no small part to Roscommon. They had two big goal chances driven wide in the final quarter and had points was taken then it would have made for a grandstand finish.

I attended Saturday's game in Markievicz park and left wondering where Galway was going after that. I've since watched back on the match in the Hyde yesterday and now I'm more confident that Galway can retain their Connacht title for a 3rd year in a row on their home patch. Mayo was every neutral's favourite 2nd team with the brand of football they played over the years as matches turned to chaos. Right now Mayo are a lot more structured with 14 men behind the ball (AOS doesn't drop back) when out of possession. Mayo's style of play is every bit as boring as Galway at the moment and regardless of the weather conditions in two weeks time I will expect a pure war of attrition contest something that won't please many pundits but it is what it is now.

Drax_the_destroyer (UK) - Posts: 140 - 22/04/2024 17:44:15    2539950

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Last 15 minutes of action yesterday.

Scores Roscommon 0-2 (McCormack, D Murtagh free) and Mayo 0-1 (Loftus from play)

Other scoring opportunities

Roscommon
Enda Smith goal chance sent wide.
McCormack goal chance sent wide
R Fallon point effort wide
D Murtagh point effort kicked short
D Cregg point effort kicked short

Mayo just one effort which was for a point and kicked wide on 72 mins from Towey.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3808 - 22/04/2024 20:37:51    2539974

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So the same old story yesterday apart from.the surrounds. Pitch in great nick, scoreboard looks the part, new seats looks fantastic now just to sort out the PA system and dressing rooms.

As for the match a carbon copy of the league match. Mayo dominated first 20 minutes and Roscommon responded. Ross started 2nd half better than league game only just and then Mayo took over and effectively won the match in 15 mins. We had too many players on the pitch undercooked. Ronan Daly not his greatest match, Ultan Harney and Ben O Carroll decent first half but died a death and all three should have been replaced early into 2nd half. Davy Murray was a huge loss and looks to have a serious injury so best wishes to him. Tadgh O Rourke improved things when introduced. The depth of the squad was crueely exposed yesterday amd that's not surprising when losing players like Ciaran Murtagh, Eddie Nolan, Conor Daly and Cian McKeon all established county players with huge experience.

The bottom line is our play is too slow. Backs carrying ball up to forwards who invariably pass it backwards. Our best scores come when we move ball fast. Edna's half goal chance was a perfect example of quick ball. Tbf to Enda it was only half a chance as he had a very narrow target to aim for abd even allowing for it to be on target it was going to be difficult to score. Same for Eoin McCormack in terms of difficultly as he had to Mayo players between him and goals not to mention the keeper.

S&C coach is the same coach who was there in 2019 with Anthony Cunningham when we beat Mayo and Galway away to win connacht title.so that argument is rubbish.

We are a badly coached team and have been for the best part of two years. We got a lot of luck early doors last year in league and against Mayo in ¼ final a week aftwr they played league final but we were badly exposed v Galway, Kildare and Cork and for long parts v Sligo. Mark McHugh was in place then so how is he the messiah now. As I said before on here Gerry McGowan is a bigger loss. Some posters on here about club managers replacing coaches etc but yet the only Roscommon man in there has never managed any team and was only a selector with Ross underage teams until this gig..

The most annoying thing aside from our slow lethargic build up play was yesterday we never looked like we could win the match and it is a poor Mayo side compared to teams of old..

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 277 - 22/04/2024 20:57:50    2539978

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Roscommon are in a bad place at the moment. The signs were there with two departing coaches and two of our best forwards didn't commit for the year. Ciaran Murtagh owes us nothing but don't tell me if there was belief in the set up he wouldn't have stayed. There is a real lethargic energy about the team and maybe some of that is down to the 2013 group being slogged for the past ten years. There were only two players who stood out being Eoin Mckormick and Conor Carrol who are relative newcomers on the senior side. We would be lost without them at the moment. I don't think Eddie Lohan is being let coach the forwards because he is an excellent coach and there seems to be no pattern of play in our forward line. The creativity of the McStay days are long gone and we are too reliant on pot shots. Ben o carrol and Diarmuid Murtagh have serious potential. cregg like donie smith ten years ago is being rushed into the set up with too much responsibility being placed on his shoulders. On a positive note The Hyde was looking great and when all the future developments are in place we'll have a stadium to be proud of.

Ros2013 (Roscommon) - Posts: 520 - 22/04/2024 21:54:25    2539991

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