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The_Lug_Coa (Fermanagh) - Posts: 406 - 15/06/2024 22:42:29
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Deep breaths and alcohol were needed after yesterday evening in Brewster Park, have experienced many tough games with Fermanagh but that one is certainly top of the pile.
Im sure plenty like myself have given it lots of thought since, so nothing said is rash or in heat of the moment, fully appreciate that these lads give their all and commit so much for the jersey.
To the game itself, a good first half, Fermanagh were well set-up defensively forcing turnovers and kicked some good scores on break with McCusker, Cassidy, Kelm and O Brien, Antrim were poor, they looked scared to shoot and kicked in hopeful balls that Fermanagh swept up with Lee Cullen outstanding and team good workrate.The fact that Fermanagh only had 4/5 kickouts said alot and meant a major weakness wasnt being exposed. At Half time in good position, probably left 2/3 scores behind including goal chance when Cassidy should have received ball on square for a palm in but instead shot taken.
If one passage of play epitomised the change of game and what is wrong with football in general currently it was on stroke of half time, Antrim were on the ropes, 6 points behind, hanging on, 1 minute injury time, Fermanagh get another turnover, chance to break and go 7 points ahead, rather than go for the score(which was free hit as ref would have blown if kicked wide etc)we slow the play down, throw ball about halfway line for the minute and ref blows it up, no conviction or killer instinct, that signalled for what was to follow.
The second half was as poor as have witnessed, 3 point return against Div 3 team at home, expected Antrim to come bursting out at half time but they didnt make that early impact and Fermanagh passed up few chances to again kill the game off. Some poor decisions and shot selection, allowed Antrim hang in there as Donnelly said himself.Fermanagh must be only county team that can miss the fisted points over the bar. The Antrim bench made significant impact but we definitely rolled out the red carpet, in first half defensively solid Antrim couldnt get beyond 45, second half press non existent and let them run freely into scoring zone and win frees for Byrne to convert. Did we think game was one so happy to allow Antrim saunter up field?
Due to minimal kickouts first half our midfield weakeness wasnt exposed but second half was clear as crystal that we dont have a the ability win possession in midfield. You could smell the sense of fear every time McNally had a kickout, Antrim grew every time as squeezed up on the short kickouts to put pressure on,(its been a common theme all season, teams sense and thrive on this)
The kickout strategy of all bunching in middle and breaking really isnt working and hasnt worked, teams easily block it and know they can turn us over if put full press on. The responsibility isnt solely on the keeper, the primary aim of midfielders and half forwards is to win possession or the breaks when ball kicked out, no evidence of this, combined with lack of hunger at times and Antrim kept coming.
Never have been at a game where team 5 points up but felt inevitable that they would lose but thats position Fermanagh were in, everyone in Brewster could see what was going to unfold, its not even that Antrim were flying it, they missed a 13 metre free. It is a young team, Cullens are experienced but dont think are vocal leaders on team, only Decker McCusker has that experience and vocal presence, midfield and further up not much leadership, would it have benefitted team in this period to bring on Aidan Breen or James McMahon solely to try get some control back on pitch and try stem the tide.
The second half was riddled with errors and poor decisions, Fermanagh blown up 4 times for needlessly overcarrying the ball. Then some players pointing to scoreboard in second and saying to Antrim players look at scoreboard, i always told let the scoreboard do the talking and scoreboard only counts on final whistle, a harsh and deserved lesson there. At least it didnt go to extra time as would have only delayed the inevitable outcome.
Before speak on management and future have to look at bigger picture, which is fairly bleak, Fermanaghs record at both minor and under 20 last 3 years has been abysmal(this has to be addressed and reviewed),so not sure if there will be many players ready to come in and lift senior teams from those panels(if anyone has any players that can please feel free to suggest!! Its a huge step from 20s to senior but certainly with players losing matches at minor/under 20 level there already coming into senior set-up probably lacking confidence and with slight inferior complex which Fermanagh always seems to suffer with anyway. Over the last number of years Fermanagh have lost players through retirement that had serious ability and skill that couldnt be coached, it was natural and we dont have anyone to replace them. We havent won an Ulster Senior Championship match since 2018 either!
A change of management certainly wont fix any of the above alone!
After yesterdays capitulation it is hard to see how Kieran Donnelly will stay on to lead the group, no quick decision will be made and he has completed a 3 year term so no doubt review will be done before anything decided. Kieran Donnelly is a top Fermanagh man, loves his county and always wore the jersey with pride and wants to improve the team, gives 100% dedication to the cause, nobody can question that, Kieran got us to Division 2 which i think was an achievement and the best could have asked for with the panel of players, slightly unlucky to get relegated and missed the few players that stepped away but the Cork and Louth games were hugely costly. The tailteann cup hasnt been great again, the group games papered over cracks against limited opposition, the minimum objective of a semi final hasnt been achieved at home to an Antrim team who werent even at their best, so thats an honest disappointment. I wouldnt have expected any progress from semi finals as think other 3 teams are cut above us at moment, yesterday certainly reinforced that.
I dont think the Fermanagh Senior role would generate a host of applicants and cant even think of any potential candidates for a replacement if needed. Other then love of county, which know Kieran has, i cant see many reasons why he would stay on, in terms of players to come in and strengthen it, Ryan Lyons, maybe Luke Flanagan if back, plus Stephen McGullion(Midfield a huge issue), any others?
Division 3, Sligo and Kildare will be strong favourites to get promoted,, then have Antrim, Clare and Laois, unlikely would be consistent enough to be in contention to get the 10 points to even have chance, id say mid table Div 3 at best. Then in Ulster rankings we are the 9th best team in Ulster, looks a even tougher job now than when first took it as the gap between teams continues to grow time will tell. Obviously the set-up of management for senior team is important but county board need to look at county as a whole from development squads up if want senior team to be competitive. Louth and Sligo are prime examples of this, counties with similar resources who are producing good younger players who are on pathway through to senior.
Last thing, if yesterday was the last games for Decky McCusker and Aidan Breen in Fermanagh jerseys want to say huge thanks to both of you, 2 great players who always committed to the cause and are top role models for the younger players in county that want to wear the green shirt.
macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1142 - 16/06/2024 11:58:01
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Replying To macca999: "Deep breaths and alcohol were needed after yesterday evening in Brewster Park, have experienced many tough games with Fermanagh but that one is certainly top of the pile.
Im sure plenty like myself have given it lots of thought since, so nothing said is rash or in heat of the moment, fully appreciate that these lads give their all and commit so much for the jersey.
To the game itself, a good first half, Fermanagh were well set-up defensively forcing turnovers and kicked some good scores on break with McCusker, Cassidy, Kelm and O Brien, Antrim were poor, they looked scared to shoot and kicked in hopeful balls that Fermanagh swept up with Lee Cullen outstanding and team good workrate.The fact that Fermanagh only had 4/5 kickouts said alot and meant a major weakness wasnt being exposed. At Half time in good position, probably left 2/3 scores behind including goal chance when Cassidy should have received ball on square for a palm in but instead shot taken.
If one passage of play epitomised the change of game and what is wrong with football in general currently it was on stroke of half time, Antrim were on the ropes, 6 points behind, hanging on, 1 minute injury time, Fermanagh get another turnover, chance to break and go 7 points ahead, rather than go for the score(which was free hit as ref would have blown if kicked wide etc)we slow the play down, throw ball about halfway line for the minute and ref blows it up, no conviction or killer instinct, that signalled for what was to follow.
The second half was as poor as have witnessed, 3 point return against Div 3 team at home, expected Antrim to come bursting out at half time but they didnt make that early impact and Fermanagh passed up few chances to again kill the game off. Some poor decisions and shot selection, allowed Antrim hang in there as Donnelly said himself.Fermanagh must be only county team that can miss the fisted points over the bar. The Antrim bench made significant impact but we definitely rolled out the red carpet, in first half defensively solid Antrim couldnt get beyond 45, second half press non existent and let them run freely into scoring zone and win frees for Byrne to convert. Did we think game was one so happy to allow Antrim saunter up field?
Due to minimal kickouts first half our midfield weakeness wasnt exposed but second half was clear as crystal that we dont have a the ability win possession in midfield. You could smell the sense of fear every time McNally had a kickout, Antrim grew every time as squeezed up on the short kickouts to put pressure on,(its been a common theme all season, teams sense and thrive on this)
The kickout strategy of all bunching in middle and breaking really isnt working and hasnt worked, teams easily block it and know they can turn us over if put full press on. The responsibility isnt solely on the keeper, the primary aim of midfielders and half forwards is to win possession or the breaks when ball kicked out, no evidence of this, combined with lack of hunger at times and Antrim kept coming.
Never have been at a game where team 5 points up but felt inevitable that they would lose but thats position Fermanagh were in, everyone in Brewster could see what was going to unfold, its not even that Antrim were flying it, they missed a 13 metre free. It is a young team, Cullens are experienced but dont think are vocal leaders on team, only Decker McCusker has that experience and vocal presence, midfield and further up not much leadership, would it have benefitted team in this period to bring on Aidan Breen or James McMahon solely to try get some control back on pitch and try stem the tide.
The second half was riddled with errors and poor decisions, Fermanagh blown up 4 times for needlessly overcarrying the ball. Then some players pointing to scoreboard in second and saying to Antrim players look at scoreboard, i always told let the scoreboard do the talking and scoreboard only counts on final whistle, a harsh and deserved lesson there. At least it didnt go to extra time as would have only delayed the inevitable outcome.
Before speak on management and future have to look at bigger picture, which is fairly bleak, Fermanaghs record at both minor and under 20 last 3 years has been abysmal(this has to be addressed and reviewed),so not sure if there will be many players ready to come in and lift senior teams from those panels(if anyone has any players that can please feel free to suggest!! Its a huge step from 20s to senior but certainly with players losing matches at minor/under 20 level there already coming into senior set-up probably lacking confidence and with slight inferior complex which Fermanagh always seems to suffer with anyway. Over the last number of years Fermanagh have lost players through retirement that had serious ability and skill that couldnt be coached, it was natural and we dont have anyone to replace them. We havent won an Ulster Senior Championship match since 2018 either!
A change of management certainly wont fix any of the above alone!
After yesterdays capitulation it is hard to see how Kieran Donnelly will stay on to lead the group, no quick decision will be made and he has completed a 3 year term so no doubt review will be done before anything decided. Kieran Donnelly is a top Fermanagh man, loves his county and always wore the jersey with pride and wants to improve the team, gives 100% dedication to the cause, nobody can question that, Kieran got us to Division 2 which i think was an achievement and the best could have asked for with the panel of players, slightly unlucky to get relegated and missed the few players that stepped away but the Cork and Louth games were hugely costly. The tailteann cup hasnt been great again, the group games papered over cracks against limited opposition, the minimum objective of a semi final hasnt been achieved at home to an Antrim team who werent even at their best, so thats an honest disappointment. I wouldnt have expected any progress from semi finals as think other 3 teams are cut above us at moment, yesterday certainly reinforced that.
I dont think the Fermanagh Senior role would generate a host of applicants and cant even think of any potential candidates for a replacement if needed. Other then love of county, which know Kieran has, i cant see many reasons why he would stay on, in terms of players to come in and strengthen it, Ryan Lyons, maybe Luke Flanagan if back, plus Stephen McGullion(Midfield a huge issue), any others?
Division 3, Sligo and Kildare will be strong favourites to get promoted,, then have Antrim, Clare and Laois, unlikely would be consistent enough to be in contention to get the 10 points to even have chance, id say mid table Div 3 at best. Then in Ulster rankings we are the 9th best team in Ulster, looks a even tougher job now than when first took it as the gap between teams continues to grow time will tell. Obviously the set-up of management for senior team is important but county board need to look at county as a whole from development squads up if want senior team to be competitive. Louth and Sligo are prime examples of this, counties with similar resources who are producing good younger players who are on pathway through to senior.
Last thing, if yesterday was the last games for Decky McCusker and Aidan Breen in Fermanagh jerseys want to say huge thanks to both of you, 2 great players who always committed to the cause and are top role models for the younger players in county that want to wear the green shirt." macca999, I have to disagree with your over critical assessment of Fermanagh's performance and the overall situation of the team. While the loss to Antrim was certainly disappointing, it's important to consider the context and avoid a reaction that is too negative or dismissive of the team's efforts and potential.
First, it's worth noting that Fermanagh's defensive strategy in the first half was effective, and the team showcased solid skills and organisation which was reflected in the healthy lead at HT. The turnovers forced and the good scores on the break indicate a team that is well-prepared and capable of executing a game plan. The issue wasn't a lack of ability or preparation, but rather a failure to maintain that intensity and focus throughout the entire game. This is something that can be addressed through targeted training and mental conditioning, rather than an overhaul of the team or management.
Secondly, while the second half was challenging and Fermanagh's performance dipped, it's important to recognise that this can happen to any team. The lack of team leadership on the field and from the sideline you mentioned is a valid point, but it is something that can develop over time as younger players gain experience and confidence. The idea of bringing on more experienced players like Aidan Breen or James McMahon to steady the ship might or might not have had any significant impact.
Regarding the broader picture, it's true that Fermanagh's record at minor and under-20 levels has been less than stellar recently. However, this doesn't mean the future is bleak. With the right focus on development and nurturing young talent, there is no reason why Fermanagh can't produce strong players who can step up to the senior level. This requires a long-term strategy and commitment from the county board, coaches, and the community. Many believe that too much emphasis is put material development such as the Lissan white elephant rather than employing quality development personnel that have a vision not unlike Donegal's McGuinness.
Players must believe in themselves and that's where the Fermanagh management haven't lived up to the physiological challenge.
As for Kieran Donnelly, I believe it's too early to call for his departure. He has shown dedication and has achieved significant milestones with the team, such as reaching Division 2. The issues faced this season can serve as valuable learning experiences for both him and the team. A review and perhaps some adjustments in strategy and support are warranted, but not a complete change in leadership.
The situation isn't as dire as it might seem. With a few tactical adjustments, a focus on nurturing leadership within the team, and a commitment to developing young talent, Fermanagh can bounce back stronger. It's crucial to remain supportive and constructive in our criticism, fostering a positive environment for the players and management to improve.
As for your suggested panel departures, that was going to be on the cards simply because of their age. However, I heard the one key team member may stay in the hope of an AllStar which he was hoping would come this year if Fermanagh had won the Tailteann Cup. I guess the only stars he will see will be on a clear night as his county player career journey eventually comes to an end!
Anyway, on the brighter side of things, Fermanagh's exit allows our players to focus on club football which is the bedrock of the sport. Maybe you macca999 would take interest in club football beyond you passion for the county and support your division two magpie outfit which you appear too embarrassed to talk about!
cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1006 - 17/06/2024 11:52:44
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Replying To cillnaile.: "macca999, I have to disagree with your over critical assessment of Fermanagh's performance and the overall situation of the team. While the loss to Antrim was certainly disappointing, it's important to consider the context and avoid a reaction that is too negative or dismissive of the team's efforts and potential.
First, it's worth noting that Fermanagh's defensive strategy in the first half was effective, and the team showcased solid skills and organisation which was reflected in the healthy lead at HT. The turnovers forced and the good scores on the break indicate a team that is well-prepared and capable of executing a game plan. The issue wasn't a lack of ability or preparation, but rather a failure to maintain that intensity and focus throughout the entire game. This is something that can be addressed through targeted training and mental conditioning, rather than an overhaul of the team or management.
Secondly, while the second half was challenging and Fermanagh's performance dipped, it's important to recognise that this can happen to any team. The lack of team leadership on the field and from the sideline you mentioned is a valid point, but it is something that can develop over time as younger players gain experience and confidence. The idea of bringing on more experienced players like Aidan Breen or James McMahon to steady the ship might or might not have had any significant impact.
Regarding the broader picture, it's true that Fermanagh's record at minor and under-20 levels has been less than stellar recently. However, this doesn't mean the future is bleak. With the right focus on development and nurturing young talent, there is no reason why Fermanagh can't produce strong players who can step up to the senior level. This requires a long-term strategy and commitment from the county board, coaches, and the community. Many believe that too much emphasis is put material development such as the Lissan white elephant rather than employing quality development personnel that have a vision not unlike Donegal's McGuinness.
Players must believe in themselves and that's where the Fermanagh management haven't lived up to the physiological challenge.
As for Kieran Donnelly, I believe it's too early to call for his departure. He has shown dedication and has achieved significant milestones with the team, such as reaching Division 2. The issues faced this season can serve as valuable learning experiences for both him and the team. A review and perhaps some adjustments in strategy and support are warranted, but not a complete change in leadership.
The situation isn't as dire as it might seem. With a few tactical adjustments, a focus on nurturing leadership within the team, and a commitment to developing young talent, Fermanagh can bounce back stronger. It's crucial to remain supportive and constructive in our criticism, fostering a positive environment for the players and management to improve.
As for your suggested panel departures, that was going to be on the cards simply because of their age. However, I heard the one key team member may stay in the hope of an AllStar which he was hoping would come this year if Fermanagh had won the Tailteann Cup. I guess the only stars he will see will be on a clear night as his county player career journey eventually comes to an end!
Anyway, on the brighter side of things, Fermanagh's exit allows our players to focus on club football which is the bedrock of the sport. Maybe you macca999 would take interest in club football beyond you passion for the county and support your division two magpie outfit which you appear too embarrassed to talk about!" I meant to say "Players must believe in themselves and that's where the Fermanagh management haven't lived up to the psychological challenge."
cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1006 - 17/06/2024 13:38:30
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Replying To macca999: "Deep breaths and alcohol were needed after yesterday evening in Brewster Park, have experienced many tough games with Fermanagh but that one is certainly top of the pile.
Im sure plenty like myself have given it lots of thought since, so nothing said is rash or in heat of the moment, fully appreciate that these lads give their all and commit so much for the jersey.
To the game itself, a good first half, Fermanagh were well set-up defensively forcing turnovers and kicked some good scores on break with McCusker, Cassidy, Kelm and O Brien, Antrim were poor, they looked scared to shoot and kicked in hopeful balls that Fermanagh swept up with Lee Cullen outstanding and team good workrate.The fact that Fermanagh only had 4/5 kickouts said alot and meant a major weakness wasnt being exposed. At Half time in good position, probably left 2/3 scores behind including goal chance when Cassidy should have received ball on square for a palm in but instead shot taken.
If one passage of play epitomised the change of game and what is wrong with football in general currently it was on stroke of half time, Antrim were on the ropes, 6 points behind, hanging on, 1 minute injury time, Fermanagh get another turnover, chance to break and go 7 points ahead, rather than go for the score(which was free hit as ref would have blown if kicked wide etc)we slow the play down, throw ball about halfway line for the minute and ref blows it up, no conviction or killer instinct, that signalled for what was to follow.
The second half was as poor as have witnessed, 3 point return against Div 3 team at home, expected Antrim to come bursting out at half time but they didnt make that early impact and Fermanagh passed up few chances to again kill the game off. Some poor decisions and shot selection, allowed Antrim hang in there as Donnelly said himself.Fermanagh must be only county team that can miss the fisted points over the bar. The Antrim bench made significant impact but we definitely rolled out the red carpet, in first half defensively solid Antrim couldnt get beyond 45, second half press non existent and let them run freely into scoring zone and win frees for Byrne to convert. Did we think game was one so happy to allow Antrim saunter up field?
Due to minimal kickouts first half our midfield weakeness wasnt exposed but second half was clear as crystal that we dont have a the ability win possession in midfield. You could smell the sense of fear every time McNally had a kickout, Antrim grew every time as squeezed up on the short kickouts to put pressure on,(its been a common theme all season, teams sense and thrive on this)
The kickout strategy of all bunching in middle and breaking really isnt working and hasnt worked, teams easily block it and know they can turn us over if put full press on. The responsibility isnt solely on the keeper, the primary aim of midfielders and half forwards is to win possession or the breaks when ball kicked out, no evidence of this, combined with lack of hunger at times and Antrim kept coming.
Never have been at a game where team 5 points up but felt inevitable that they would lose but thats position Fermanagh were in, everyone in Brewster could see what was going to unfold, its not even that Antrim were flying it, they missed a 13 metre free. It is a young team, Cullens are experienced but dont think are vocal leaders on team, only Decker McCusker has that experience and vocal presence, midfield and further up not much leadership, would it have benefitted team in this period to bring on Aidan Breen or James McMahon solely to try get some control back on pitch and try stem the tide.
The second half was riddled with errors and poor decisions, Fermanagh blown up 4 times for needlessly overcarrying the ball. Then some players pointing to scoreboard in second and saying to Antrim players look at scoreboard, i always told let the scoreboard do the talking and scoreboard only counts on final whistle, a harsh and deserved lesson there. At least it didnt go to extra time as would have only delayed the inevitable outcome.
Before speak on management and future have to look at bigger picture, which is fairly bleak, Fermanaghs record at both minor and under 20 last 3 years has been abysmal(this has to be addressed and reviewed),so not sure if there will be many players ready to come in and lift senior teams from those panels(if anyone has any players that can please feel free to suggest!! Its a huge step from 20s to senior but certainly with players losing matches at minor/under 20 level there already coming into senior set-up probably lacking confidence and with slight inferior complex which Fermanagh always seems to suffer with anyway. Over the last number of years Fermanagh have lost players through retirement that had serious ability and skill that couldnt be coached, it was natural and we dont have anyone to replace them. We havent won an Ulster Senior Championship match since 2018 either!
A change of management certainly wont fix any of the above alone!
After yesterdays capitulation it is hard to see how Kieran Donnelly will stay on to lead the group, no quick decision will be made and he has completed a 3 year term so no doubt review will be done before anything decided. Kieran Donnelly is a top Fermanagh man, loves his county and always wore the jersey with pride and wants to improve the team, gives 100% dedication to the cause, nobody can question that, Kieran got us to Division 2 which i think was an achievement and the best could have asked for with the panel of players, slightly unlucky to get relegated and missed the few players that stepped away but the Cork and Louth games were hugely costly. The tailteann cup hasnt been great again, the group games papered over cracks against limited opposition, the minimum objective of a semi final hasnt been achieved at home to an Antrim team who werent even at their best, so thats an honest disappointment. I wouldnt have expected any progress from semi finals as think other 3 teams are cut above us at moment, yesterday certainly reinforced that.
I dont think the Fermanagh Senior role would generate a host of applicants and cant even think of any potential candidates for a replacement if needed. Other then love of county, which know Kieran has, i cant see many reasons why he would stay on, in terms of players to come in and strengthen it, Ryan Lyons, maybe Luke Flanagan if back, plus Stephen McGullion(Midfield a huge issue), any others?
Division 3, Sligo and Kildare will be strong favourites to get promoted,, then have Antrim, Clare and Laois, unlikely would be consistent enough to be in contention to get the 10 points to even have chance, id say mid table Div 3 at best. Then in Ulster rankings we are the 9th best team in Ulster, looks a even tougher job now than when first took it as the gap between teams continues to grow time will tell. Obviously the set-up of management for senior team is important but county board need to look at county as a whole from development squads up if want senior team to be competitive. Louth and Sligo are prime examples of this, counties with similar resources who are producing good younger players who are on pathway through to senior.
Last thing, if yesterday was the last games for Decky McCusker and Aidan Breen in Fermanagh jerseys want to say huge thanks to both of you, 2 great players who always committed to the cause and are top role models for the younger players in county that want to wear the green shirt." Funny I was thinking the very same about Breen and McCusker at half time yesterday .. doubt we will see them back .. two fantastic servants to the cause over the years and owe us nothing but hell I think they will surely call time… anyway I think also that Donnelly has been an amazing servant to Fermanagh as player and manager but I always think the true sign of the better managers is how they react to changes in the game as it evolves.. he has set us up really well against teams over the last few years but once they make a change during the match to combat how he has set us up he he can't seem to counter it again .. can't seem to react to changes during game time .. I'm not just talking about Antrim … think how many times we've had a great first half and awful second half in last few years … for me that's an opposition manager out thinking him during the game and he isn't able to counter the changes made in real time .. like what Antrim did differently wasn't huge but we never reacted …… .. I was looking at our bench too .. strongest it's been but he is still reluctant to use it … strange … McGurn on too late to make difference.. McMahon not used .. Jones .. too late .. anyway .. I hear ya too cill naile but we have given the man two years and we are right back where we were .. we got lucky in 2023 I think .. down should have beaten us .. Cavan had nothing to play for when we met … Westmeath came from what 10 down and nearly bet us … we have lost huge leads too many times .. down Westmeath cork Antrim at the weekend …. And as for the Louth game I mean that was cruel .. I see Glen Ryan resigned immediately after a similar season for them … our man can't be far behind u fortunately .. there are TWO good managers in ballygawley … one not managing county and one about to be out of a job …I'd be happy with either lol
KeshGFC (Fermanagh) - Posts: 339 - 17/06/2024 22:47:43
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Kinawley poster thanks for sharing your rebuke of macca's long-winded criticism of the manager and his team. He calls for change but offers no manager replacement names nor does he know replacing Donnelly will make a hoot of difference. Is macca saying that the manager is too soft with the lads? In any case there is no appetite either among players or the county board for a change of leadership unless Donnelly wants to step down. I was astonished to read about a certain player's misplaced sense of importance with his ambition for an Alistar accolade. As the saying goes wonders will never cease. Lastly, Kinawley man you give us a good belly laugh with identifying the magpie!!
gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 802 - 17/06/2024 23:26:51
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Like so many who attended the the game on saturday I left cross. At half time was even thinking Croke Park. I like the way no one is blaming the officials even though I don't think they helped our cause. I defended Donnelly in the past by giving him slack with injuries, important players leaving and it being a young squad however saturday Is a turning point for me. No team should be losing a 7 point lead and we have on numerous occasions this season lost big leads, if I remember correctly Cork, meath and cavan which I know we won but had a big lead cut to the bare minimum. Its not like we can even blame a black or red card for the change of momentum. As other posters mentioned he only seems to have one plan, antrim made minor changes at ht and he could not counter act them. He seems slow and predicable with subs, you could predict what subs and what stage of the match he would make them before the game started. There has been on going issues throughout the season which have not be fixed, once again another poster pointed out, the kickouts every game the keeper gets caught at least once for taking to long as thing of bunching in the center and breaking out at the last minute does not work to hard for the keeper to pick out a player.
I know the style of play of running out from the back is high intensity but I don't think they are fit enough at times not just under donnelly. I think is part of the reason we have fallen apart in games. I have watched teams like Armagh and derry after extra time still looking fresh. I looked round 50th minute players looked wrecked largo, mcaffery, Joe not blaming them just looked tired
If he goes I think the team is in a better place than what he inherited, by that I mean he inherited an ageing squad and he has lowered that and if someone comes in they a good foundation to with.
I prefer a local man to be manager if he goes know ones would be saying what about dom corrigan or malachy o'rourke but for me they had their go. So I would try Ricard o'callaghan he seems to be doing well at derrylin. Sure there would many more would be interested Ryan Jones might want a go after his spell with Leitrim. Some players I would love to see involved with the team in some format barry owens, Ryan mcCluskey, Martin mcgrath. That being said i am not against outside managers if Mickey harte was willing to take the job I would take him.
Disappointing end to the season still like to thank the management/ background team and players for all their hard work. It's a lot of time and commitment they have to sacrifice.
ERNEDEVIL (Fermanagh) - Posts: 69 - 18/06/2024 15:50:48
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Great posts and contributions, positive to see such passion and interest in the Fermanagh county panel, constructive input.
A few days later and it still feels sore, can only imagine how it feels for both players and management.
Cillnaile -some good points, especially remaining supportive and no knee jerk reactions, you mentioned intensity and fitness being a factor, Fermanagh had a week break whereas Antrim had a game the previous week so dont think that should be an issue and as for tactics, at this stage of season the system should be well known by players after 10+ games with only minor tweaks depending on opposition. Haha, up the magpies:-)
Kesh GFC - True in relation to the in game changes and possibly counteracting on teams changes in game is a factor in Fermanagh allowing teams back into matches that we had control in. Do agree about James McMahon, know late back in but definitely think he was under utilised this season especially in sweeper role. Did feel especially in league was reluctance to make changes(in some games was 69th minute first sub) on occasion this maybe due to lack of options but in last 2/3 games bench has been alot stronger and maybe earlier changes could have helped especially if fitness was issue. Kildare are a different kettle of fish after losing all 7 league games etc, Glen Ryan had to resign after this season we havent hit that depth, though Donnelly has been there 3 years, he deserves chance to reflect and make his own decision on this after time.
Gaaalltheway - There is no guarantee a new manager will be able to bring the team forward, especially when no obvious influx of young players ready to come in and boost the team
Ernedevil - Losing a 7 points lead at home to Antrim is a tough defeat to accept and agree that the kickout bunching tactic hasnt worked, top teams read it and put a squeeze on which has cost us hugely in number of games and given opposition momentum in games. I do agree on the development of the squad Donnelly certainly has done alot of work in terms of developing the squad and bringing alot of players in over the 3 years, when first took over was older squad, so has laid some foundations there to build on, regardless of who is in charge.
On the suggestions of Richie O Callaghan and Ryan Jones, both doing well on initial steps, probably too soon for both to be at senior intercounty level plus would be too close to many of the current panel, definitely for the future.
Think would be fantastic to see the likes of Barry Owens,Marty McGrath and Ryan McCuskey involved in Fermanagh Football, its been highlighted that at minor and under 20 are struggling, how good would these men be to take charge of the youth and to inspire younegr players to commit to the county, certainly think worth looking at.
Back to Kieran Donnelly, he owes Fermanagh nothing and has given 100% to the cause and i accept no guarantee new manager can progress the team, there are no obvious candidates either should a vacancy arrive. Kieran has earned the respect of players and supporters and deserves the time to make his own decision which will accept either way( if i was in his shoes id struggle to probably commit for another 2 years, he has already got us to division 2,which will be a huge task to repeat, only reason can see is for pure love of the county which he undoubtedly has)
Very sad news about the untimely death of great Fermanagh Gael, Paul Coyle, a true gent
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Replying To macca999: "Great posts and contributions, positive to see such passion and interest in the Fermanagh county panel, constructive input.
A few days later and it still feels sore, can only imagine how it feels for both players and management.
Cillnaile -some good points, especially remaining supportive and no knee jerk reactions, you mentioned intensity and fitness being a factor, Fermanagh had a week break whereas Antrim had a game the previous week so dont think that should be an issue and as for tactics, at this stage of season the system should be well known by players after 10+ games with only minor tweaks depending on opposition. Haha, up the magpies:-)
Kesh GFC - True in relation to the in game changes and possibly counteracting on teams changes in game is a factor in Fermanagh allowing teams back into matches that we had control in. Do agree about James McMahon, know late back in but definitely think he was under utilised this season especially in sweeper role. Did feel especially in league was reluctance to make changes(in some games was 69th minute first sub) on occasion this maybe due to lack of options but in last 2/3 games bench has been alot stronger and maybe earlier changes could have helped especially if fitness was issue. Kildare are a different kettle of fish after losing all 7 league games etc, Glen Ryan had to resign after this season we havent hit that depth, though Donnelly has been there 3 years, he deserves chance to reflect and make his own decision on this after time.
Gaaalltheway - There is no guarantee a new manager will be able to bring the team forward, especially when no obvious influx of young players ready to come in and boost the team
Ernedevil - Losing a 7 points lead at home to Antrim is a tough defeat to accept and agree that the kickout bunching tactic hasnt worked, top teams read it and put a squeeze on which has cost us hugely in number of games and given opposition momentum in games. I do agree on the development of the squad Donnelly certainly has done alot of work in terms of developing the squad and bringing alot of players in over the 3 years, when first took over was older squad, so has laid some foundations there to build on, regardless of who is in charge.
On the suggestions of Richie O Callaghan and Ryan Jones, both doing well on initial steps, probably too soon for both to be at senior intercounty level plus would be too close to many of the current panel, definitely for the future.
Think would be fantastic to see the likes of Barry Owens,Marty McGrath and Ryan McCuskey involved in Fermanagh Football, its been highlighted that at minor and under 20 are struggling, how good would these men be to take charge of the youth and to inspire younegr players to commit to the county, certainly think worth looking at.
Back to Kieran Donnelly, he owes Fermanagh nothing and has given 100% to the cause and i accept no guarantee new manager can progress the team, there are no obvious candidates either should a vacancy arrive. Kieran has earned the respect of players and supporters and deserves the time to make his own decision which will accept either way( if i was in his shoes id struggle to probably commit for another 2 years, he has already got us to division 2,which will be a huge task to repeat, only reason can see is for pure love of the county which he undoubtedly has)
Very sad news about the untimely death of great Fermanagh Gael, Paul Coyle, a true gent" I have doubts about future management options, as there's no guarantee of success with an inexperienced manager. Some names mentioned, like Richie O'Callaghan, Ryan Jones, Barry Owens, Marty McGrath, and Ryan McCuskey, could benefit Fermanagh in underage structures or coaching roles. However, appointing any of them as senior manager would be disastrous. (I pretty much agree with your comments Macca) We should only consider replacing Donnelly if a manager with county experience becomes available.
Over the past few years, Donnelly has successfully integrated younger players into the team, and many of them are now showing their potential. I'd like to see Donnelly get at least another year, with the young players he has brought in a year more experienced. I believe he deserves that chance.
In other news, the league is back. Are we set for another big year from Enniskillen and Derrygonnelly in a two-horse race or does anyone have predictions for a dark horse?
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Looking at yesterday's results with Antrin turfed out of the Tailteann Cup allowing Laois (who Fermanagh previously beat!) to get a place on the final. We all could have had a great final outing to look forward to and Donnelly must be kicking himself for such a missed opportunity to showcase Fermanagh at Croke Park, whether they won or lost, it would have been a fine way to end the season.
Now speaking of Donnelly , it is my understanding from a reliable source that an announcement is imminently pending.
Coa_gael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1185 - 24/06/2024 12:03:48
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Replying To Coa_gael: "Looking at yesterday's results with Antrin turfed out of the Tailteann Cup allowing Laois (who Fermanagh previously beat!) to get a place on the final. We all could have had a great final outing to look forward to and Donnelly must be kicking himself for such a missed opportunity to showcase Fermanagh at Croke Park, whether they won or lost, it would have been a fine way to end the season.
Now speaking of Donnelly , it is my understanding from a reliable source that an announcement is imminently pending." I intended to say when Antrim should have been turfed out
Coa_gael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1185 - 24/06/2024 12:47:08
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Replying To Itown1234: " Replying To macca999: "Great posts and contributions, positive to see such passion and interest in the Fermanagh county panel, constructive input.
A few days later and it still feels sore, can only imagine how it feels for both players and management.
Cillnaile -some good points, especially remaining supportive and no knee jerk reactions, you mentioned intensity and fitness being a factor, Fermanagh had a week break whereas Antrim had a game the previous week so dont think that should be an issue and as for tactics, at this stage of season the system should be well known by players after 10+ games with only minor tweaks depending on opposition. Haha, up the magpies:-)
Kesh GFC - True in relation to the in game changes and possibly counteracting on teams changes in game is a factor in Fermanagh allowing teams back into matches that we had control in. Do agree about James McMahon, know late back in but definitely think he was under utilised this season especially in sweeper role. Did feel especially in league was reluctance to make changes(in some games was 69th minute first sub) on occasion this maybe due to lack of options but in last 2/3 games bench has been alot stronger and maybe earlier changes could have helped especially if fitness was issue. Kildare are a different kettle of fish after losing all 7 league games etc, Glen Ryan had to resign after this season we havent hit that depth, though Donnelly has been there 3 years, he deserves chance to reflect and make his own decision on this after time.
Gaaalltheway - There is no guarantee a new manager will be able to bring the team forward, especially when no obvious influx of young players ready to come in and boost the team
Ernedevil - Losing a 7 points lead at home to Antrim is a tough defeat to accept and agree that the kickout bunching tactic hasnt worked, top teams read it and put a squeeze on which has cost us hugely in number of games and given opposition momentum in games. I do agree on the development of the squad Donnelly certainly has done alot of work in terms of developing the squad and bringing alot of players in over the 3 years, when first took over was older squad, so has laid some foundations there to build on, regardless of who is in charge.
On the suggestions of Richie O Callaghan and Ryan Jones, both doing well on initial steps, probably too soon for both to be at senior intercounty level plus would be too close to many of the current panel, definitely for the future.
Think would be fantastic to see the likes of Barry Owens,Marty McGrath and Ryan McCuskey involved in Fermanagh Football, its been highlighted that at minor and under 20 are struggling, how good would these men be to take charge of the youth and to inspire younegr players to commit to the county, certainly think worth looking at.
Back to Kieran Donnelly, he owes Fermanagh nothing and has given 100% to the cause and i accept no guarantee new manager can progress the team, there are no obvious candidates either should a vacancy arrive. Kieran has earned the respect of players and supporters and deserves the time to make his own decision which will accept either way( if i was in his shoes id struggle to probably commit for another 2 years, he has already got us to division 2,which will be a huge task to repeat, only reason can see is for pure love of the county which he undoubtedly has)
Very sad news about the untimely death of great Fermanagh Gael, Paul Coyle, a true gent" I have doubts about future management options, as there's no guarantee of success with an inexperienced manager. Some names mentioned, like Richie O'Callaghan, Ryan Jones, Barry Owens, Marty McGrath, and Ryan McCuskey, could benefit Fermanagh in underage structures or coaching roles. However, appointing any of them as senior manager would be disastrous. (I pretty much agree with your comments Macca) We should only consider replacing Donnelly if a manager with county experience becomes available. Over the past few years, Donnelly has successfully integrated younger players into the team, and many of them are now showing their potential. I'd like to see Donnelly get at least another year, with the young players he has brought in a year more experienced. I believe he deserves that chance. In other news, the league is back. Are we set for another big year from Enniskillen and Derrygonnelly in a two-horse race or does anyone have predictions for a dark horse?"
Coagael, certainly was tough watching the Antrim game yesterday, though credit to Laois they did play well and their kicking style suited the open spaces of Croke Park, by far the better team, iv know doubt Donnelly and players would have been thinking even more so yesterday missed chance to get to final in Croke Park. The second game was a step up in intensity and quality by the 2 strongest teams in the competition, pity in a way that it was the final, both a few notches ahead of the other teams. Hopefully Laois can make it a competitive final.
Interesting that you say an announcement is imminent from Kieran Donnelly, either way good to have it confirmed before county championships.
Speaking of club football, when see the results from Division 1 Friday, 5 out of 8 teams failed to get 10 scores of more in June, that is very indicative of the county teams problems over last few years and shows the task face in trying to improve as a county
macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1142 - 24/06/2024 18:23:21
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Over the past few years, Donnelly has successfully integrated younger players into the team, and many of them are now showing their potential. I'd like to see Donnelly get at least another year, with the young players he has brought in a year more experienced. I believe he deserves that chance.
In other news, the league is back. Are we set for another big year from Enniskillen and Derrygonnelly in a two-horse race or does anyone have predictions for a dark horse?" Yes Ltown1234, not sure if there is any experienced candidates within the county currently. Remember last time we were searching for a manager Shane Curran near got the post, which i think would not have been the best.
Coagael, certainly was tough watching the Antrim game yesterday, though credit to Laois they did play well and their kicking style suited the open spaces of Croke Park, by far the better team, iv know doubt Donnelly and players would have been thinking even more so yesterday missed chance to get to final in Croke Park. The second game was a step up in intensity and quality by the 2 strongest teams in the competition, pity in a way that it was the final, both a few notches ahead of the other teams. Hopefully Laois can make it a competitive final.
Interesting that you say an announcement is imminent from Kieran Donnelly, either way good to have it confirmed before county championships.
Speaking of club football, when see the results from Division 1 Friday, 5 out of 8 teams failed to get 10 scores of more in June, that is very indicative of the county teams problems over last few years and shows the task face in trying to improve as a county"]I bet you're gloating in seeing Donnelly's anticipated exit but haven't the predictable vision to name a creditable replacement. You seem to get a buzz out kicking ones when they at their most vulnerable and this noted too in your bruising attacks on players particularly in your criticism of goalkeeping which has landed you in trouble with readers here.
Should Donnelly regrettable say goodbye, and I hope he doesn't, then that would be the courteous time for a discussion to take place about a successor.
I see names being put forward and without devaluing any of them, I feel that someone with much more county management experience would be a better fit for what our team need. The likes of Malachy O'Rourke, if available, should be persuaded to return, whatever the cost*, to take over the reins as that is the standard we need.
*I would prioritise spending well on team management than pouring so much dosh into that white elephant up at Lissan.
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Replying To Wired2theMoon: "Yes Ltown1234, not sure if there is any experienced candidates within the county currently. Remember last time we were searching for a manager Shane Curran near got the post, which i think would not have been the best.
Coagael, certainly was tough watching the Antrim game yesterday, though credit to Laois they did play well and their kicking style suited the open spaces of Croke Park, by far the better team, iv know doubt Donnelly and players would have been thinking even more so yesterday missed chance to get to final in Croke Park. The second game was a step up in intensity and quality by the 2 strongest teams in the competition, pity in a way that it was the final, both a few notches ahead of the other teams. Hopefully Laois can make it a competitive final.
Interesting that you say an announcement is imminent from Kieran Donnelly, either way good to have it confirmed before county championships.
Speaking of club football, when see the results from Division 1 Friday, 5 out of 8 teams failed to get 10 scores of more in June, that is very indicative of the county teams problems over last few years and shows the task face in trying to improve as a county" I bet you're gloating in seeing Donnelly's anticipated exit but haven't the predictable vision to name a creditable replacement. You seem to get a buzz out kicking ones when they at their most vulnerable and this noted too in your bruising attacks on players particularly in your criticism of goalkeeping which has landed you in trouble with readers here.
Should Donnelly regrettable say goodbye, and I hope he doesn't, then that would be the courteous time for a discussion to take place about a successor.
I see names being put forward and without devaluing any of them, I feel that someone with much more county management experience would be a better fit for what our team need. The likes of Malachy O'Rourke, if available, should be persuaded to return, whatever the cost*, to take over the reins as that is the standard we need.
*I would prioritise spending well on team management than pouring so much dosh into that white elephant up at Lissan."]Lissan isn't the ideal location for our county training ground, but if it must be there, major planned improvements are essential. I've visited several times, and "depressing" is the only word to describe the current facility.
It's embarrassing that club teams have better setups than Fermanagh.
Itown1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 48 - 25/06/2024 10:15:55
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I was astonished to see my yesterday afternoon posting vanishing into the ether! It appears my genuine view of the current Fermanagh team management and the disastrous season under its watch cannot be aired for debate on this GAA forum.
It seems my attempt to initiate an honest discussion about the state of the Fermanagh team has been stifled. My concerns regarding the team's performance and the effectiveness of its management are valid points of interest for supporters and followers of the GAA. However, it appears that some topics are off-limits, or perhaps certain criticisms are deemed too controversial to remain visible.
The Fermanagh team's season has been less than stellar, marked by a series of disappointing performances and questionable decisions from the management. As a passionate fan, I believe it is essential to discuss these issues openly, to understand where things went wrong and how improvements can be made. Constructive criticism is a cornerstone of progress, and airing these views should be part of a healthy dialogue within the GAA community.
Meanwhile, other forum contributors such a macca999, Itown1234, Kesh GFC, etc., are permitted to be brutal with their criticism without censorship. Yet, the disappearance of my post suggests a different reality. It raises questions about the openness and inclusivity of the forum. Are we truly encouraged to share our perspectives, or is there an unspoken rule against challenging the status quo? If the latter is true, it undermines the very spirit of the GAA, which thrives on the passion and engagement of its supporters.
This experience has left me pondering the balance between maintaining a positive Fermanagh GAA community atmosphere and allowing free expression. It is my hope that we can find a way to embrace both, ensuring that all voices, even the critical ones, have a place in the conversation. After all, the ultimate goal is the betterment of the team we all support.
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It seems my attempt to initiate an honest discussion about the state of the Fermanagh team has been stifled. My concerns regarding the team's performance and the effectiveness of its management are valid points of interest for supporters and followers of the GAA. However, it appears that some topics are off-limits, or perhaps certain criticisms are deemed too controversial to remain visible.
The Fermanagh team's season has been less than stellar, marked by a series of disappointing performances and questionable decisions from the management. As a passionate fan, I believe it is essential to discuss these issues openly, to understand where things went wrong and how improvements can be made. Constructive criticism is a cornerstone of progress, and airing these views should be part of a healthy dialogue within the GAA community.
Meanwhile, other forum contributors such a macca999, Itown1234, Kesh GFC, etc., are permitted to be brutal with their criticism without censorship. Yet, the disappearance of my post suggests a different reality. It raises questions about the openness and inclusivity of the forum. Are we truly encouraged to share our perspectives, or is there an unspoken rule against challenging the status quo? If the latter is true, it undermines the very spirit of the GAA, which thrives on the passion and engagement of its supporters.
This experience has left me pondering the balance between maintaining a positive Fermanagh GAA community atmosphere and allowing free expression. It is my hope that we can find a way to embrace both, ensuring that all voices, even the critical ones, have a place in the conversation. After all, the ultimate goal is the betterment of the team we all support." It's strange that your post was taken down. I think I speak for most on this forum when I say that no posts should be removed. We're a small community, and there's no need to make it smaller.
Regarding your points on healthy dialogue, I don't believe any of my criticism has been unfair. I still support Donnelly and would be happy to see him continue for another season. Additionally, I rarely criticize the players because we all know they are the best the county has, and their commitment to playing for Fermanagh is like a full-time job that many couldn't even imagine doing.
If the criticism you're referring to is about Lissan, I think it's completely valid. We've had plenty of time to either pick a new site or renovate Lissan. While facilities don't make good teams, they can generate interest, provide better resources, and boost morale.
Always happy to hear everyone's views, BigToeJoe. I hope to hear more from you in the future.
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Replying To Itown1234: "It's strange that your post was taken down. I think I speak for most on this forum when I say that no posts should be removed. We're a small community, and there's no need to make it smaller.
Regarding your points on healthy dialogue, I don't believe any of my criticism has been unfair. I still support Donnelly and would be happy to see him continue for another season. Additionally, I rarely criticize the players because we all know they are the best the county has, and their commitment to playing for Fermanagh is like a full-time job that many couldn't even imagine doing.
If the criticism you're referring to is about Lissan, I think it's completely valid. We've had plenty of time to either pick a new site or renovate Lissan. While facilities don't make good teams, they can generate interest, provide better resources, and boost morale.
Always happy to hear everyone's views, BigToeJoe. I hope to hear more from you in the future." Thanks for your comment, Itown1234. In your case, it might have been more helpful if I had said that your criticism had been constructively bruising rather than outright brutal. Certainly, KeshGFC's assessment was extremely harsh, but that's to be expected given his consistently destructive nature and lack of constructive input. As for the pot-stirrer macca999, he pretends to be nice to Donnelly while being disingenuous, much like in Shakespeare's play where Mark Antony repeatedly calls Brutus an honourable man while ultimately betraying him. macca999's history of uncomplimentary remarks about players and indeed managers is well documented. Hopefully, this clarifies why I mentioned you and your fellow forum contributors regarding the removal of my critical post about the outcome of this season for our poorly managed Fermanagh team.
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Replying To BigToeJoe: "Thanks for your comment, Itown1234. In your case, it might have been more helpful if I had said that your criticism had been constructively bruising rather than outright brutal. Certainly, KeshGFC's assessment was extremely harsh, but that's to be expected given his consistently destructive nature and lack of constructive input. As for the pot-stirrer macca999, he pretends to be nice to Donnelly while being disingenuous, much like in Shakespeare's play where Mark Antony repeatedly calls Brutus an honourable man while ultimately betraying him. macca999's history of uncomplimentary remarks about players and indeed managers is well documented. Hopefully, this clarifies why I mentioned you and your fellow forum contributors regarding the removal of my critical post about the outcome of this season for our poorly managed Fermanagh team." Bigtoe you have summed up them bucks well!
I didn't see the post that was taken down but I gather it was about replacing the manager. The fact he hasn't resigned so far worries me as a fresh face is badly needed.
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Could I ask macca if he would be willing to resign as a Fermanagh supporter if the team management doesn't change?
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Replying To TurnipHead.: "Could I ask macca if he would be willing to resign as a Fermanagh supporter if the team management doesn't change?" Turnip that buck has one foot in a blue jersey county anyway, so jumping ship would be easy enough for him!
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