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Replying To Viking66:  "Yes. But if you lose you won't make the AI series."
Positively Viking......I'm only thinking about winning v Dublin!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2384 - 20/05/2024 15:45:02    2545915

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Replying To katser:  "Positively Viking......I'm only thinking about winning v Dublin!"
Proper attitude Katser!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12959 - 20/05/2024 16:18:20    2545927

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Replying To gilly1910:  "I don't think we're in any position to slag off any county over losing All Irelands, I would doubt there is any county in Ireland with a worse All Ireland losing record than Galway, with the hurlers accounting for the majority of those losses. The Galway hurlers are like Spurs in a lot of ways, capable of beating anyone on their day, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty they will inevitably lose. They have a history of lost chances, and will never be a major hurling power house like Limerick have become, as it's just not in their DNA. Happy with a rare success, happy to get to finals now and again, but no drive and no ambition primarily due to the fact that they are very poorly governed from the top downwards. We constantly blame managers, we were all thrilled when King Henry took us over, but now that we are clearly going backwards, it's all his fault, with shouts to bring back MOD who was fortunate enough to benefit from all of Anthony Cunningham's great work. There are serious issues in Galway hurling like our fascination for winning Minor Hurling titles, yet no questions were asked when none of that success translated into U-20 success. We can clearly see the results of that now with nothing coming through to senior level, and we are still massively reliant on some of our big names from 2017. We are poorly coached for which yes the manager must take the blame, but where is our underage hurling academy in comparison to Limerick. The Limerick underage academy has been essential in the skill development, game management, strength and conditioning and personal development off the pitch for young players, and is absolutely essential in ensuring the continued player growth that will see these players emerge from the academy ready to perform at the highest level for their county. We need to get rid of SuperMacs, and try to find a sponsor with big pockets who is willing to fund such an academy, otherwise we will never challenge for the Liam Mc Carthy again. Galway hurling is still living off 2017, and is now been left rapidly behind, so time for the Galway County Board to wake up, although sadly I won't hold my breath."
Nail on the head. We are going nowhere fast from underage up. Coaching and S/C is 5 to 10 yrs behind the top counties. The usual blame the manager first it was get rid of macintyre. Cunningham changed all then players turned against him. MOD got the benefit of Cunninghams work and remember we were a bad wide from Kevin Moran(I think) to go 2 points down and we'd have folded like a cheap suit. MOD walked co board wouldn't give money to compete with limerick. Shane o Neil got the gig No one else wanted it from within what does that tell ya. Henry thought he'd get one last hurrah out of the 17 players no chance. The next manager will be a yes man and we're goosed for a long time yet. There's a clique of clubs calling all the shots there at the minute and while they're ruling the roost Galway hurling is fcuked.

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 20/05/2024 17:49:35    2545962

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Replying To Viking66:  "Proper attitude Katser!"
You always say the katser is too positive viking - you know Galway are on the slide in a serious way and are only giving false hope!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 20/05/2024 18:12:16    2545968

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Replying To gilly1910:  "I don't think we're in any position to slag off any county over losing All Irelands, I would doubt there is any county in Ireland with a worse All Ireland losing record than Galway, with the hurlers accounting for the majority of those losses. The Galway hurlers are like Spurs in a lot of ways, capable of beating anyone on their day, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty they will inevitably lose. They have a history of lost chances, and will never be a major hurling power house like Limerick have become, as it's just not in their DNA. Happy with a rare success, happy to get to finals now and again, but no drive and no ambition primarily due to the fact that they are very poorly governed from the top downwards. We constantly blame managers, we were all thrilled when King Henry took us over, but now that we are clearly going backwards, it's all his fault, with shouts to bring back MOD who was fortunate enough to benefit from all of Anthony Cunningham's great work. There are serious issues in Galway hurling like our fascination for winning Minor Hurling titles, yet no questions were asked when none of that success translated into U-20 success. We can clearly see the results of that now with nothing coming through to senior level, and we are still massively reliant on some of our big names from 2017. We are poorly coached for which yes the manager must take the blame, but where is our underage hurling academy in comparison to Limerick. The Limerick underage academy has been essential in the skill development, game management, strength and conditioning and personal development off the pitch for young players, and is absolutely essential in ensuring the continued player growth that will see these players emerge from the academy ready to perform at the highest level for their county. We need to get rid of SuperMacs, and try to find a sponsor with big pockets who is willing to fund such an academy, otherwise we will never challenge for the Liam Mc Carthy again. Galway hurling is still living off 2017, and is now been left rapidly behind, so time for the Galway County Board to wake up, although sadly I won't hold my breath."
A few red herrings in this post:

"They will never become a hurling power like Limerick have become as it's not in their DNA".
Granted this looks unlikely at the moment but "never" is a very long time. Remember Limerick were a basket case themselves 20 years ago , fighting among themselves etc and had the look of a county that wouldn't win an All Ireland for years not to mind win multiple ones. If they could turn it around so can we. (Btw what's with the "they" in your post....you are a Galway person are you not?)

",,,,serious issues in Galway hurling like our fascination with winning minor All Irelands , yet no questions were asked when none of that translated into U20 success".
Well now I have mixed and mingled with many fellow Galwegians and I have yet to meet anyone with an interest in Galway hurling who is "fascinated" with winning minor All Irelands. For the kids involved and their families it is a big thing of course , and since we enter teams at the grade it is better if they go on to win them than to lose them but at this stage it's universally accepted within Galway hurling that it's not the level that produces strong senior candidates and questions are being continually asked why aren't we producing successful U20 teams and how can we create the conditions to produce successful U20 teams. In truth this is where the fascination is now and has been for the last 4 or 5 years but unfortunately they are not questions that are easily answered.

"We need to get rid of Supermacs and try to find a sponsor with big pockets"
Best of luck with that one. If there is a sponsor around that would be willing to pour more money in than Supermac Im sure they would be snapped up.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1930 - 20/05/2024 18:59:45    2545983

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I think if we are blaming supermacs for lack of success we are definitely clutching at straws I've no doubt there is prob well over half a million being spent on the senior hurling panel i doubt they need for anything,, Galway fans have 2 except we have not being a competitive senior hurling team since the 80s that's 40 years ago and that is the reality

Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 898 - 20/05/2024 20:04:55    2545991

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Replying To Kickitout:  "I think if we are blaming supermacs for lack of success we are definitely clutching at straws I've no doubt there is prob well over half a million being spent on the senior hurling panel i doubt they need for anything,, Galway fans have 2 except we have not being a competitive senior hurling team since the 80s that's 40 years ago and that is the reality"
A bit of 'a result' to win an all-ireland in an era when you're 'not competitive'. Might be unprecedented in the world of sports actually.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3705 - 20/05/2024 21:05:07    2546000

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Replying To tommy k:  "You always say the katser is too positive viking - you know Galway are on the slide in a serious way and are only giving false hope!"
Ah no Tommy. I've always been a firm believer that the time to get angry/depressed/down over a bad result is after it. Not before it. Think Katser is the same.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12959 - 20/05/2024 21:28:02    2546007

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Replying To Kickitout:  "I think if we are blaming supermacs for lack of success we are definitely clutching at straws I've no doubt there is prob well over half a million being spent on the senior hurling panel i doubt they need for anything,, Galway fans have 2 except we have not being a competitive senior hurling team since the 80s that's 40 years ago and that is the reality"
Think positive a few weeks ago lads were saying wr were joe mcdonsgh now look at us.

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 279 - 20/05/2024 21:40:28    2546014

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Replying To Tiger1:  "Think positive a few weeks ago lads were saying wr were joe mcdonsgh now look at us."
Where did those lads go Tiger? They will only reappear when we lose.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12959 - 21/05/2024 08:00:24    2546028

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Replying To Viking66:  "Where did those lads go Tiger? They will only reappear when we lose."
Maybe look for them on the Wexford Forum...... some of ye seem a bit lost......

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 614 - 21/05/2024 09:38:26    2546056

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Replying To Tiger1:  "Think positive a few weeks ago lads were saying wr were joe mcdonsgh now look at us."
No Tiger (and Viking) - we now accept that Wexford are the new powerhouses of hurling and we bend the knee to ye. Mea Culpa!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 21/05/2024 09:42:19    2546057

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Replying To SamandLiamSoon:  "Maybe look for them on the Wexford Forum...... some of ye seem a bit lost......"
Ah leave them be. Let them celebrate their All Ireland win from 3 weeks ago

Dancing at the Galway forum crossroads!

Kinvara (Galway) - Posts: 154 - 21/05/2024 10:15:08    2546071

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Replying To tommy k:  "No Tiger (and Viking) - we now accept that Wexford are the new powerhouses of hurling and we bend the knee to ye. Mea Culpa!"
We aren't any different to the last 5 years. Or 30+ tbh. Flakey. Inconsistent. Sounds familiar? We have performed 2 games in a row. But from over 30 years experience that doesn't mean we will perform the next day, or the next if there's one after that this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12959 - 21/05/2024 10:28:26    2546077

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Replying To Kickitout:  "I think if we are blaming supermacs for lack of success we are definitely clutching at straws I've no doubt there is prob well over half a million being spent on the senior hurling panel i doubt they need for anything,, Galway fans have 2 except we have not being a competitive senior hurling team since the 80s that's 40 years ago and that is the reality"
Finances aside, having such a ridicules brand on your jersey doesnt help. The supermacs image does more harm than good for Galway hurling. Equally so, Limerick having a beautiful clear Jersey does more good than bad for them.
Another major factor in this is the message Galway hurling sends out to young people, thats its okay to stuff your gob with the ***** that Supermacs sells. Its so out of touch with the message that should be sent out. Fair play to the camogies for ditching the brand.
Either way, be it finances, image, health, messaging, and more, Supermacs has to be shown the door. It wont transform Galway hurling but it will do no harm at all.
And I may sound bitter but I think Pat McDonagh has got a lot more from Galway hurling over the years than Galway hurling has got from him.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 434 - 21/05/2024 11:30:52    2546106

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Finances aside, having such a ridicules brand on your jersey doesnt help. The supermacs image does more harm than good for Galway hurling. Equally so, Limerick having a beautiful clear Jersey does more good than bad for them.
Another major factor in this is the message Galway hurling sends out to young people, thats its okay to stuff your gob with the ***** that Supermacs sells. Its so out of touch with the message that should be sent out. Fair play to the camogies for ditching the brand.
Either way, be it finances, image, health, messaging, and more, Supermacs has to be shown the door. It wont transform Galway hurling but it will do no harm at all.
And I may sound bitter but I think Pat McDonagh has got a lot more from Galway hurling over the years than Galway hurling has got from him."
Of course it's ok to eat at supermacs, everything in moderation of course.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3705 - 21/05/2024 12:04:00    2546116

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Replying To tommy k:  "No Tiger (and Viking) - we now accept that Wexford are the new powerhouses of hurling and we bend the knee to ye. Mea Culpa!"
No need to bend the knee Tommy im just saying how quick some lads are to judge a bad result then jump onboard a good result.Always maintain we are as good as any team on our day and as bad as any other team on a given day.But the amount of work and effort gone into this teamjust has to reap rewards eventually why not this year?

Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 279 - 21/05/2024 12:27:50    2546125

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Replying To Viking66:  "Proper attitude Katser!"
There are two types of players.......the honest player gets up in the morning looks in the mirror sets his standards and says "I'm going to get better and better and better "
The other type complains about the food, the referee, the training schedule, injury ect ect the dishonest player because he is weak

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2384 - 21/05/2024 13:21:45    2546145

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Replying To gilly1910:  "I don't think we're in any position to slag off any county over losing All Irelands, I would doubt there is any county in Ireland with a worse All Ireland losing record than Galway, with the hurlers accounting for the majority of those losses. The Galway hurlers are like Spurs in a lot of ways, capable of beating anyone on their day, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty they will inevitably lose. They have a history of lost chances, and will never be a major hurling power house like Limerick have become, as it's just not in their DNA. Happy with a rare success, happy to get to finals now and again, but no drive and no ambition primarily due to the fact that they are very poorly governed from the top downwards. We constantly blame managers, we were all thrilled when King Henry took us over, but now that we are clearly going backwards, it's all his fault, with shouts to bring back MOD who was fortunate enough to benefit from all of Anthony Cunningham's great work. There are serious issues in Galway hurling like our fascination for winning Minor Hurling titles, yet no questions were asked when none of that success translated into U-20 success. We can clearly see the results of that now with nothing coming through to senior level, and we are still massively reliant on some of our big names from 2017. We are poorly coached for which yes the manager must take the blame, but where is our underage hurling academy in comparison to Limerick. The Limerick underage academy has been essential in the skill development, game management, strength and conditioning and personal development off the pitch for young players, and is absolutely essential in ensuring the continued player growth that will see these players emerge from the academy ready to perform at the highest level for their county. We need to get rid of SuperMacs, and try to find a sponsor with big pockets who is willing to fund such an academy, otherwise we will never challenge for the Liam Mc Carthy again. Galway hurling is still living off 2017, and is now been left rapidly behind, so time for the Galway County Board to wake up, although sadly I won't hold my breath."
It's very easy to point fingers but it's not so easy to come up with possible solutions. As said above, there are any amount of red herrings here.

Firstly, there's an easy way to not lose finals, just don't get there in the first place, so that sorts that one.
We 'inevitably' lose to better teams, but that's hardly news, so does everyone else, hurling in particular is very pure like that, 99% of the time the better team wins, so it's often got very little to do with DNA, and almost everything to do with better players or better tactics on the opposition sideline. That's sport.

'no drive and ambition' well, quite, if you say so. Certainly things could be better, we know that, but the idea that people are just sitting on their hands while Rome burns is just risible.

We only 'blame' managers we didn't deem up to the task, nobody was 'blaming' AC for 2012 or 2015, nobody 'blamed' 2019 on Donoghue, O'Neill's reign was largely marked by indifference from supporters and Shefflin, while I have no doubt he is doing his best, is getting a soft ride in the media to this point. Common denominator? Nobody was 'blaming' these men in terms of them being the impediment to 'success' or anything like that. So you'd be going back to McIntyre or Loughnane, and it was apparent that both men weren't getting the best from their resources, any manager anywhere would be criticized for that. Then you go on to tell us that the current team is poorly coached and the manager is to blame?!

There's one chap here casting 'blame' around, the lack of self awareness is staggering.

The minor hurling thing you refer to is just bizarre, why would you not have a fascination with winning whatever competition you are in? The point doesn't have to be winning it of course, but why wouldn't you target it. BTW if we were as 'fascinated' with winning minor hurling titles as you appear to think we are, we haven't won one for three years and it's very likely to become 4 after this year, also why would our CB have pushed to get the minors into Leinster which would only make the task of 'winning' more onerous? It's almost as if the CB are more interested in player development instead of minor titles, which would be an odd stance if your assertion regarding 'fascination with winning' was accurate.

DNA must be a very funny thing altogether, Limerick must have had no winning DNA before 2018. Is 'winning DNA' the same thing as 'Financial DNA' then? It's not to say we couldn't get more money from a different sponsor but Pat McDonagh has put a lot of money in over the years and while it won't have hurt him financially he doesn't have to do so. There are no guarantees another sponsor would lead to a windfall either.

You've thrown everyone under the bus here. Nobody is 'living off 2017' ffs, that's just ludicrous. The 2017 crew are being picked because they are the best players we have available at this point. Whatever else Shefflin can be accused of, giving players an opportunity can't be listed among them. Like most others I'd have liked to see more of a shakeup against Antrim but we are where we are, let's hope we can get over the line on Sunday.

Entitled to your opinion of course, but equally I and others are entitled to call you out on it.

Tell you what, and this is a genuine question: you appear to have some knowledge of what Limerick are doing at their 'underage academy' - could you tell us what it is (and/or how they are doing it) that they are doing that is so successful, because when you look at their U20's this season they weren't up to very much and their minors were stone useless, they lost every game in the Munster RR in varying degrees of comfort for their opposition. They didn't manage a solitary score from play against Clare. I watched three of their minor games this year and they were getting worse with every passing game. If this is 'performing at the highest level for their county' they had a funny way of showing it. One would have thought that if this academy was the machine you appear to be portraying it as, such things wouldn't happen.

Maybe they just don't have enough fascination with winning minor titles.

Of course in reality Limerick are as likely to get eventual seniors off this year's minor team as anyone else is off their minor team this year. That's life. But we have to forge our own path, copying Limerick will keep us always behind their curve.

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 882 - 21/05/2024 13:53:23    2546154

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "Finances aside, having such a ridicules brand on your jersey doesnt help. The supermacs image does more harm than good for Galway hurling. Equally so, Limerick having a beautiful clear Jersey does more good than bad for them.
Another major factor in this is the message Galway hurling sends out to young people, thats its okay to stuff your gob with the ***** that Supermacs sells. Its so out of touch with the message that should be sent out. Fair play to the camogies for ditching the brand.
Either way, be it finances, image, health, messaging, and more, Supermacs has to be shown the door. It wont transform Galway hurling but it will do no harm at all.
And I may sound bitter but I think Pat McDonagh has got a lot more from Galway hurling over the years than Galway hurling has got from him."
You do sound bitter tbh.

How does having Supermac's on the jersey do 'more harm than good'? Should we all boycott Supermacs now?

Won't someone think of the children??!!

If Louth had a 'beautiful clear jersey' would that be laudable too? Maybe they could have if they had a billionaire backing them, not that JP McManus can't spend his money any way he wishes of course.

It's not to say we couldn't get more financially from a different sponsor but there would be caveats to this also, plus there are no guarantees another sponsor would get involved with Galway hurling for a much greater sum, at this point what are we offering them for their money?

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 882 - 21/05/2024 14:02:10    2546157

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