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Replying To katser:  "There are two types of players.......the honest player gets up in the morning looks in the mirror sets his standards and says "I'm going to get better and better and better "
The other type complains about the food, the referee, the training schedule, injury ect ect the dishonest player because he is weak"
I don't know many intercounty players but all the ones I do know definitely fall into the 1st category. As regards the 2nd category I wouldn't describe them as weak. They don't make it because they don't want to badly enough. Some could be very successful in other walks of life. Hurling isn't for everyone.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12947 - 21/05/2024 14:04:42    2546158

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Replying To Viking66:  "I don't know many intercounty players but all the ones I do know definitely fall into the 1st category. As regards the 2nd category I wouldn't describe them as weak. They don't make it because they don't want to badly enough. Some could be very successful in other walks of life. Hurling isn't for everyone."
It's like when some go abroad there is only 3 things they do, 1st look for an Irish Bar, 2nd get a pint of Guinness and 3rd get a fish and chips. The only thing they take is the sun. They dont want to try anything that's good or decent or different.
When you do that then the attitude is wrong.
Galway have to admit the attitude has to change up here (head) and in here (heart) because Dublin will be baying for us on Sunday.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2381 - 21/05/2024 15:21:48    2546181

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Replying To Stool Pigeon:  "You do sound bitter tbh.

How does having Supermac's on the jersey do 'more harm than good'? Should we all boycott Supermacs now?

Won't someone think of the children??!!

If Louth had a 'beautiful clear jersey' would that be laudable too? Maybe they could have if they had a billionaire backing them, not that JP McManus can't spend his money any way he wishes of course.

It's not to say we couldn't get more financially from a different sponsor but there would be caveats to this also, plus there are no guarantees another sponsor would get involved with Galway hurling for a much greater sum, at this point what are we offering them for their money?"
If you are oblivious to the harm caused by junk food like Supermac's then its pointless even engaging on this. Its only a matter of time before junkfood advertising will be banned in GAA anyway just like Drink and Gambling. Its just a pity Galway hurling couldnt put their finger in the wind and understand this before they are made do it.
And In terms of finances, I dont think you need a business degree to realize Galway would get more cash from another sponsor.
And I dont mind being bitter on this subject, the end of supermacs (and all junk food for that matter) is better for everyone not just galway hurling.

clare_sparrow (Galway) - Posts: 434 - 21/05/2024 15:24:36    2546183

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Replying To Stool Pigeon:  "It's very easy to point fingers but it's not so easy to come up with possible solutions. As said above, there are any amount of red herrings here.

Firstly, there's an easy way to not lose finals, just don't get there in the first place, so that sorts that one.
We 'inevitably' lose to better teams, but that's hardly news, so does everyone else, hurling in particular is very pure like that, 99% of the time the better team wins, so it's often got very little to do with DNA, and almost everything to do with better players or better tactics on the opposition sideline. That's sport.

'no drive and ambition' well, quite, if you say so. Certainly things could be better, we know that, but the idea that people are just sitting on their hands while Rome burns is just risible.

We only 'blame' managers we didn't deem up to the task, nobody was 'blaming' AC for 2012 or 2015, nobody 'blamed' 2019 on Donoghue, O'Neill's reign was largely marked by indifference from supporters and Shefflin, while I have no doubt he is doing his best, is getting a soft ride in the media to this point. Common denominator? Nobody was 'blaming' these men in terms of them being the impediment to 'success' or anything like that. So you'd be going back to McIntyre or Loughnane, and it was apparent that both men weren't getting the best from their resources, any manager anywhere would be criticized for that. Then you go on to tell us that the current team is poorly coached and the manager is to blame?!

There's one chap here casting 'blame' around, the lack of self awareness is staggering.

The minor hurling thing you refer to is just bizarre, why would you not have a fascination with winning whatever competition you are in? The point doesn't have to be winning it of course, but why wouldn't you target it. BTW if we were as 'fascinated' with winning minor hurling titles as you appear to think we are, we haven't won one for three years and it's very likely to become 4 after this year, also why would our CB have pushed to get the minors into Leinster which would only make the task of 'winning' more onerous? It's almost as if the CB are more interested in player development instead of minor titles, which would be an odd stance if your assertion regarding 'fascination with winning' was accurate.

DNA must be a very funny thing altogether, Limerick must have had no winning DNA before 2018. Is 'winning DNA' the same thing as 'Financial DNA' then? It's not to say we couldn't get more money from a different sponsor but Pat McDonagh has put a lot of money in over the years and while it won't have hurt him financially he doesn't have to do so. There are no guarantees another sponsor would lead to a windfall either.

You've thrown everyone under the bus here. Nobody is 'living off 2017' ffs, that's just ludicrous. The 2017 crew are being picked because they are the best players we have available at this point. Whatever else Shefflin can be accused of, giving players an opportunity can't be listed among them. Like most others I'd have liked to see more of a shakeup against Antrim but we are where we are, let's hope we can get over the line on Sunday.

Entitled to your opinion of course, but equally I and others are entitled to call you out on it.

Tell you what, and this is a genuine question: you appear to have some knowledge of what Limerick are doing at their 'underage academy' - could you tell us what it is (and/or how they are doing it) that they are doing that is so successful, because when you look at their U20's this season they weren't up to very much and their minors were stone useless, they lost every game in the Munster RR in varying degrees of comfort for their opposition. They didn't manage a solitary score from play against Clare. I watched three of their minor games this year and they were getting worse with every passing game. If this is 'performing at the highest level for their county' they had a funny way of showing it. One would have thought that if this academy was the machine you appear to be portraying it as, such things wouldn't happen.

Maybe they just don't have enough fascination with winning minor titles.

Of course in reality Limerick are as likely to get eventual seniors off this year's minor team as anyone else is off their minor team this year. That's life. But we have to forge our own path, copying Limerick will keep us always behind their curve."
That's a good post SP. Just pointing out Limerick haven't won an AI minor title since 1984, the last before that was 1958. They've had 3 good teams in that time, 70s, 90s and the current one, 4 if you include the late 00s. Not one of those lads had a minor medal.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12947 - 21/05/2024 15:33:55    2546184

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "If you are oblivious to the harm caused by junk food like Supermac's then its pointless even engaging on this. Its only a matter of time before junkfood advertising will be banned in GAA anyway just like Drink and Gambling. Its just a pity Galway hurling couldnt put their finger in the wind and understand this before they are made do it.
And In terms of finances, I dont think you need a business degree to realize Galway would get more cash from another sponsor.
And I dont mind being bitter on this subject, the end of supermacs (and all junk food for that matter) is better for everyone not just galway hurling."
Better what way? Health wise? Some lads like to eat stuff because they find it tasty. So for those lads what you term "junk" food is better than what you probably consider "good" food.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12947 - 21/05/2024 15:36:23    2546185

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Replying To clare_sparrow:  "If you are oblivious to the harm caused by junk food like Supermac's then its pointless even engaging on this. Its only a matter of time before junkfood advertising will be banned in GAA anyway just like Drink and Gambling. Its just a pity Galway hurling couldnt put their finger in the wind and understand this before they are made do it.
And In terms of finances, I dont think you need a business degree to realize Galway would get more cash from another sponsor.
And I dont mind being bitter on this subject, the end of supermacs (and all junk food for that matter) is better for everyone not just galway hurling."
You appear to have some insider knowledge on how much Galway are getting from Supermac's sponsorship, so I will have to defer to you on that front. I have no idea. Maybe they are locked into an agreement that has several seasons left to run? I imagine this is not a year to year operation. You seem a bit short on details here. Also, why would another sponsor automatically plough more money into Galway hurling? Are we a brand that people are queueing up to be associated with? Maybe we are, but I wouldn't take that for granted.

I think the idea that Supermac's sponsorship of the Galway hurling team is somehow contributing to the state of the county's, or the nation's waistlines is a bit of a stretch, and not just an elasticated one either.

There's being bitter, and there is being ridiculous, which you are being, do you honestly think one single person out there is going to stop buying fast food if Supermac's don't sponsor Galway anymore?

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 882 - 21/05/2024 16:06:30    2546202

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Not sure Galway get more cash from another sponsors it's not as if either the football or hurling teams are winning all Ireland senior titles very often 1 hurling 1 football in 24 years or 2 football and 1 hurling 35 years not exactly a great record,, it not matter if a Saudia prince sponsor the teams if players are not good enough it make zero difference as I said in early post doubt the players need for anything in there preparation in both codes ,,

Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 897 - 21/05/2024 16:12:33    2546203

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Replying To Kickitout:  "Not sure Galway get more cash from another sponsors it's not as if either the football or hurling teams are winning all Ireland senior titles very often 1 hurling 1 football in 24 years or 2 football and 1 hurling 35 years not exactly a great record,, it not matter if a Saudia prince sponsor the teams if players are not good enough it make zero difference as I said in early post doubt the players need for anything in there preparation in both codes ,,"
Push it to 37 years there, and you'd have squeezed another 2 hurling out of it. Great return from an era when we weren't competitive, according to you.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3680 - 21/05/2024 16:21:09    2546209

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Replying To Viking66:  "That's a good post SP. Just pointing out Limerick haven't won an AI minor title since 1984, the last before that was 1958. They've had 3 good teams in that time, 70s, 90s and the current one, 4 if you include the late 00s. Not one of those lads had a minor medal."
Limerick won 3 U21 All Irelands in a row in 2000, 2001, 2002 and didn't go on to capture senior honours.

Maybe there was a lot of wailing and teeth gnashing at this back in the day but if there was I must have missed it. Limerick's version of Gilly would have had a field day 15 years ago.

The DNA must not have been in place back in the day, obviously, that or they were too interested in winning U21 titles, and if so, how bloody right they were, since they won three of them on the spin.

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 882 - 21/05/2024 16:24:17    2546211

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Can anyone see us beating Dublin on sunday? After watching the dubs v kilkenny im not going in confident thats for sure. The way the dubs ran at kk, won primary possession and scored from distance means we could be having the clubs championships a bit eariler this year in Galway, obviously hopefully thats not the case but the return of cathal mannion will be essential to us winning

Galway456 (Galway) - Posts: 63 - 21/05/2024 17:05:01    2546221

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Replying To Galway456:  "Can anyone see us beating Dublin on sunday? After watching the dubs v kilkenny im not going in confident thats for sure. The way the dubs ran at kk, won primary possession and scored from distance means we could be having the clubs championships a bit eariler this year in Galway, obviously hopefully thats not the case but the return of cathal mannion will be essential to us winning"
Unfortunately I don't think we have a chance on Sunday I have been to the last 3 leinster meetings between galway and Dublin in pierce stadium and we struggled to beat them and one was a draw so I don't see us getting the job done on Sunday with a team that's just not playing well

minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 225 - 21/05/2024 18:42:33    2546228

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Replying To Galway456:  "Can anyone see us beating Dublin on sunday? After watching the dubs v kilkenny im not going in confident thats for sure. The way the dubs ran at kk, won primary possession and scored from distance means we could be having the clubs championships a bit eariler this year in Galway, obviously hopefully thats not the case but the return of cathal mannion will be essential to us winning"
I think its curtains for Galway unless they get back the injured players like Morrissey, Mannion, Concannon and K. Cooney. Even then it will be very hard to see a win at this stage given the current form of both teams.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 21/05/2024 19:10:35    2546239

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Replying To Galway456:  "Can anyone see us beating Dublin on sunday? After watching the dubs v kilkenny im not going in confident thats for sure. The way the dubs ran at kk, won primary possession and scored from distance means we could be having the clubs championships a bit eariler this year in Galway, obviously hopefully thats not the case but the return of cathal mannion will be essential to us winning"
I am definitely more hopeful than confident. Dublin have been more impressive than us to date. They also have an excellent record against us in the Leinster championship. Galway's entire season is on the line so hopefully they can produce a big performance. If not, they deserve to be eliminated.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1008 - 21/05/2024 19:15:58    2546242

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Replying To Galway456:  "Can anyone see us beating Dublin on sunday? After watching the dubs v kilkenny im not going in confident thats for sure. The way the dubs ran at kk, won primary possession and scored from distance means we could be having the clubs championships a bit eariler this year in Galway, obviously hopefully thats not the case but the return of cathal mannion will be essential to us winning"
I fancy Galway to win by about 5 points. Home advantage is huge in these round robin games. If it were in Parnell Park, I would fancy the Dubs to shade it by a point or two. A draw would do the Dubs but no good to Galway unless Kilkenny beat Wexford. It's good to see it all go down to the last round of games. KK have qualified for qualifiers (bar an 18 point loss to Wexford and a draw between Galway and Dublin) but the other 3 at least have their destiny in their own hands, unlike Cork who are at the mercy of results beyond heir control. And the same with Carlow and Antrim whose fate is up to themselves now. It's a shame to see either of them go down as they have brought some great hurling and excitement to Leinster this year.

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2039 - 21/05/2024 19:50:11    2546247

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Replying To Galway456:  "Can anyone see us beating Dublin on sunday? After watching the dubs v kilkenny im not going in confident thats for sure. The way the dubs ran at kk, won primary possession and scored from distance means we could be having the clubs championships a bit eariler this year in Galway, obviously hopefully thats not the case but the return of cathal mannion will be essential to us winning"
We are likely to need to score 30+ points by whatever combination necessary in order to win this game.

Are we capable of this based on our current setup?

We barely managed it against Carlow and an Antrim team playing with 14 for half the game so it doesn't inspire confidence

Cian O'Sullivan will be a loss for Dublin if he is absent though

Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 882 - 21/05/2024 20:29:11    2546254

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Replying To Stool Pigeon:  "Limerick won 3 U21 All Irelands in a row in 2000, 2001, 2002 and didn't go on to capture senior honours.

Maybe there was a lot of wailing and teeth gnashing at this back in the day but if there was I must have missed it. Limerick's version of Gilly would have had a field day 15 years ago.

The DNA must not have been in place back in the day, obviously, that or they were too interested in winning U21 titles, and if so, how bloody right they were, since they won three of them on the spin."
We should've won 1 of those u21 finals. But we all fell victim to the Big Stripey Machine at Senior.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 12947 - 21/05/2024 21:53:39    2546264

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Replying To Stool Pigeon:  "We are likely to need to score 30+ points by whatever combination necessary in order to win this game.

Are we capable of this based on our current setup?

We barely managed it against Carlow and an Antrim team playing with 14 for half the game so it doesn't inspire confidence

Cian O'Sullivan will be a loss for Dublin if he is absent though"
Dublin will be too physical for us.

2maroonjerseys (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 22/05/2024 08:49:48    2546294

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Replying To Galway456:  "Can anyone see us beating Dublin on sunday? After watching the dubs v kilkenny im not going in confident thats for sure. The way the dubs ran at kk, won primary possession and scored from distance means we could be having the clubs championships a bit eariler this year in Galway, obviously hopefully thats not the case but the return of cathal mannion will be essential to us winning"
Yes I can see us beating Dublin on Sunday.
It's OK to admit that we just haven't been good enough so far this year, but we can be good enough once we get the attitude right up here (head) and in here (heart).
The gloves are off now...its bare knuckle stuff from here on and only the last man standing will win the battle.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2381 - 22/05/2024 10:04:24    2546311

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Replying To 2maroonjerseys:  "Dublin will be too physical for us."
Yes I agree - the whole thing is very sad really.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 22/05/2024 10:20:20    2546315

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I think this team is due for a big performance and I believe we will get it Sunday. Galway to win by 2 or 3 points. Galway Abu.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2191 - 22/05/2024 13:26:08    2546387

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