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What Changes Will Jack O'Connor Make?

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Funny you mention S/C Username. That's has been bugging me since. They had a guy who climbs mountains doing S/C but obviously he did nt have them right. It was Tyrone that looked the fitter team in the end with a good few Kerry players cramping up. Yes it will have to be on Jack s to do list. On Dublin v Mayo I think it was more lack of hunger that caught Dublin. They were just going through the motions. Nothing Like a loss to brí g the hunger back though. I think next year's championship most open in years."
At least S/C is something that can be changed and improved pal youd think relatively easy, i was speaking to a S?C coach recently involved in County minor, its really incredible as to how scientific its become, i wish it was around in my day, a lot of what he was telling me just made so much logical sense Vs how we always did things.

Mayo without doubt eere massively more hungry than Dublin, that said after watching us over the last decade, we were off it this year compared to previous on S/C - never in all the games have Mayo had more then us in terms of fitness coming done the straight, we wilted fitness wise in addition to the hunger. My take anyway whether Mayo have improved, we have disimproved or whether there was some mileage in Dublin legs is debatable. But i though are own S/C was off this year as well as in the hunger stakes.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 28/09/2021 13:29:28    2383328

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Funny you mention S/C Username. That's has been bugging me since. They had a guy who climbs mountains doing S/C but obviously he did nt have them right. It was Tyrone that looked the fitter team in the end with a good few Kerry players cramping up. Yes it will have to be on Jack s to do list. On Dublin v Mayo I think it was more lack of hunger that caught Dublin. They were just going through the motions. Nothing Like a loss to brí g the hunger back though. I think next year's championship most open in years."
Mick from what iv heard Falvey was brought in to work on team phychology not anything to do with fitness or strength and conditioning.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13993 - 28/09/2021 14:10:38    2383336

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Please don't adopt an overly defensive strategy, think it goes against Kerry's football style.."
Agree Mick.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2791 - 28/09/2021 14:11:44    2383338

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Mick from what iv heard Falvey was brought in to work on team phychology not anything to do with fitness or strength and conditioning."
OK Kboy. Regardless of who it was there was definately a problem with our S/C.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2791 - 28/09/2021 14:26:59    2383344

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Replying To TheUsername:  "At least S/C is something that can be changed and improved pal youd think relatively easy, i was speaking to a S?C coach recently involved in County minor, its really incredible as to how scientific its become, i wish it was around in my day, a lot of what he was telling me just made so much logical sense Vs how we always did things.

Mayo without doubt eere massively more hungry than Dublin, that said after watching us over the last decade, we were off it this year compared to previous on S/C - never in all the games have Mayo had more then us in terms of fitness coming done the straight, we wilted fitness wise in addition to the hunger. My take anyway whether Mayo have improved, we have disimproved or whether there was some mileage in Dublin legs is debatable. But i though are own S/C was off this year as well as in the hunger stakes."
Imo hunger was always going to be a an issue after winning 5 in a row. For me Dublin were vulnerable in 2020 but I always felt it was only Kerry Donegal or Tyrone could beat them and all fell early. Mayo were not as good last year so the 6 was won without breaking a sweat. Now next year the hunger will be back no doubt for Dublin but then there s the issue with age and miles on the clock. Having said that 2 new players could change all that. I just think next year is so open because BBC esides Dublin Tyrone Kerry Donegal Mayo I feel Monaghan Armagh Galway all might be upping the ante.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2791 - 28/09/2021 14:32:48    2383348

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "OK Kboy. Regardless of who it was there was definately a problem with our S/C."
I agree Mick I think the Kerry county board needs to bring Mr Magahan to a meeting to explain what happened the Kerry senior football team in the semifinal , I also think his job should be on the line.

I doubt Mr Falvey will have counties queuing up for his services either.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13993 - 28/09/2021 15:34:00    2383373

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Imo hunger was always going to be a an issue after winning 5 in a row. For me Dublin were vulnerable in 2020 but I always felt it was only Kerry Donegal or Tyrone could beat them and all fell early. Mayo were not as good last year so the 6 was won without breaking a sweat. Now next year the hunger will be back no doubt for Dublin but then there s the issue with age and miles on the clock. Having said that 2 new players could change all that. I just think next year is so open because BBC esides Dublin Tyrone Kerry Donegal Mayo I feel Monaghan Armagh Galway all might be upping the ante."
Bang on with all that Mick. Lets see what Dublin turn up next year, the couple of players ive spoken to are making the right sounds, but something was off this year it might not be one reason but many, so i think we are wait and see. Its a strange one, we're in uncharted waters really no one ever did the five or six - so what comes next is anyone guess, whether its time to stick or twist while father time will have an opinion. Either way, well be there. Enjoying the club at the mo, the Dublin Championship is great.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 28/09/2021 17:05:03    2383402

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Okunbor centrefield with Diarmuid Connors. Andrew Barry centre back.

kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 67 - 29/09/2021 21:01:26    2383586

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Replying To kerry4sam21:  "Okunbor centrefield with Diarmuid Connors. Andrew Barry centre back."
I'd like that midfield partnership but I don't know if Andrew Barry has the mobility. Really liked him as a minor but I'd be keen to put Mike Breen there.

playonref (UK) - Posts: 7 - 30/09/2021 08:20:05    2383596

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Replying To playonref:  "I'd like that midfield partnership but I don't know if Andrew Barry has the mobility. Really liked him as a minor but I'd be keen to put Mike Breen there."
Mike Breen lost several kickouts at wingback against Tyrone, in fact it looked like Morgan was targeting him so couldn't see him at centreback.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13993 - 01/10/2021 21:23:35    2384078

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Mike Breen lost several kickouts at wingback against Tyrone, in fact it looked like Morgan was targeting him so couldn't see him at centreback."
In fairness KingdomBoy if I remember correctly he was marking 6 foot 5 Brian Kennedy so I wouldn't read too much into that. I think he could be an option at centre back but I like him at wing back too. Best case scenario I think is we find a strong centre back and leave Breen at wing back, we'd have a physical half back line then.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 874 - 02/10/2021 10:47:10    2384099

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Gone a bit messy this appointment, Keane saying the players went to the sub committee to seek a
his reappointment, Jack and the Kildare fiasco, the "process" by the county board. All very messy.

No one a winner really, bad for players, Keane, O' Connor and County Board, all seems very unnecessary, these things should be kept in house as much as possible, unnecessary rocking of the good ship Kerry football.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4188 - 02/10/2021 11:30:44    2384105

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Replying To Kerry15:  "In fairness KingdomBoy if I remember correctly he was marking 6 foot 5 Brian Kennedy so I wouldn't read too much into that. I think he could be an option at centre back but I like him at wing back too. Best case scenario I think is we find a strong centre back and leave Breen at wing back, we'd have a physical half back line then."
Like I said to horse on the Kerry page it's a position we've been struggling to fill for years now Kerry15, we might have 2 options for fullback now if Okunbar joins the squad, could Morley do a proper job at centre back?

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13993 - 02/10/2021 11:37:24    2384106

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "Like I said to horse on the Kerry page it's a position we've been struggling to fill for years now Kerry15, we might have 2 options for fullback now if Okunbar joins the squad, could Morley do a proper job at centre back?"
Before Okunbor left I thought his best position by far was full back but I was very impressed with Foley at full back this year. With most teams only leaving 2 inside and those 2 would both be suited to marking the same type of forward I think Okunbor might be best deployed somewhere else. I wonder could he be developed into a 6? Physically and athletically he'd have it all but it's a very difficult position positionally so it would take time. Worth consideration and also Morley if he had a full league to get back to his previous levels at centre back is a good option. Dan O'Donoghue Spa is another centre back I've mentioned before. You're right we've definitely been lacking a top centre back for years. I'd have more faith in Jack O'Connor to sort it than Peter Keane.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 874 - 02/10/2021 12:14:24    2384113

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Gone a bit messy this appointment, Keane saying the players went to the sub committee to seek a
his reappointment, Jack and the Kildare fiasco, the "process" by the county board. All very messy.

No one a winner really, bad for players, Keane, O' Connor and County Board, all seems very unnecessary, these things should be kept in house as much as possible, unnecessary rocking of the good ship Kerry football."
Yes, very messy and I think Keane has been treated badly. They should have been upfront with him and told him that they weren't renewing his term rather than stringing him along.

Jack is a safe pair of hands and will make them competitive. He did not cover himself in glory with the U21's a few years back but we all know he is a good manager that knows how to set up a team. Perhaps he is just what is needed. We'll see

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2098 - 02/10/2021 13:12:17    2384122

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Replying To Kerry15:  "Before Okunbor left I thought his best position by far was full back but I was very impressed with Foley at full back this year. With most teams only leaving 2 inside and those 2 would both be suited to marking the same type of forward I think Okunbor might be best deployed somewhere else. I wonder could he be developed into a 6? Physically and athletically he'd have it all but it's a very difficult position positionally so it would take time. Worth consideration and also Morley if he had a full league to get back to his previous levels at centre back is a good option. Dan O'Donoghue Spa is another centre back I've mentioned before. You're right we've definitely been lacking a top centre back for years. I'd have more faith in Jack O'Connor to sort it than Peter Keane."
Ya I'm a big fan of Dan O'Donaghue, I wonder if PK had him on the extended panel, there was another lad from Glenflesk can't think of the surname now but his first name is Dan as well, he was excellent underage but got a load of injuries.

I'm looking forward to seeing Okunbar in the county championship see if he's an option.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13993 - 02/10/2021 13:52:25    2384130

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I think Keane was thrown under the bus. O'Connor did not improve Kildare! by anybody's standards. Maybe O'Connor was a bit of an opportunist and time will tell if he improves his new team. When a match goes to extra time and a point separates then a bit of luck decides. Like in most counties sometimes the guys most ill equipped decide these matters.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2288 - 03/10/2021 12:19:29    2384221

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Replying To browncows:  "I think Keane was thrown under the bus. O'Connor did not improve Kildare! by anybody's standards. Maybe O'Connor was a bit of an opportunist and time will tell if he improves his new team. When a match goes to extra time and a point separates then a bit of luck decides. Like in most counties sometimes the guys most ill equipped decide these matters."
That match should never have gone to ET. Kerry kept trying to work goals to kill off kildare, whereas had they taken their points they would have won well imo. Poor gameplan.
That's not to mention last years fiasco against what has subsequently proven to be a diabolical Cork team.
(And I still think their defensive gameplan in the last 10 minutes of the 2019 drawn game cost them that final).
Keane needs to shut up and walk away. He had his chance.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 957 - 03/10/2021 13:00:47    2384224

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Replying To browncows:  "I think Keane was thrown under the bus. O'Connor did not improve Kildare! by anybody's standards. Maybe O'Connor was a bit of an opportunist and time will tell if he improves his new team. When a match goes to extra time and a point separates then a bit of luck decides. Like in most counties sometimes the guys most ill equipped decide these matters."
I don't know brown cows, people don't seem to understand that Keanes time as senior boss was up, he had a 3 year term and his 3 years ended after we lost to Tyrone.

Keane had 3 years to win an allireland and he failed, Jack know he will be expected to win the allireland next year, nothing less will do.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 13993 - 03/10/2021 13:12:58    2384227

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Yes, very messy and I think Keane has been treated badly. They should have been upfront with him and told him that they weren't renewing his term rather than stringing him along.

Jack is a safe pair of hands and will make them competitive. He did not cover himself in glory with the U21's a few years back but we all know he is a good manager that knows how to set up a team. Perhaps he is just what is needed. We'll see"
I feel sorry for Peter Keane, and believe he should have been informed his management term would not be extended, rather than leave him up in the air. He must have realised when Jack O'Connor left Kildare, that Jack was his likely successor. Not well handled by Kerry management.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 403 - 03/10/2021 13:32:50    2384232

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