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Tyrone All Ireland Champs 2021

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Long overdue. Have correct structure, development and management. Can they do back to back?

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 86 - 13/09/2021 00:21:07    2380138

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So much to look forward to next year,as you asked can Tyrone do back to back?it's certainly possible,but they could just as easily be dumped out in the 1st round of Ulster by Donegal/Monaghan/Armagh if der not on top of der game.....really looking forward to it,will the super 8's be back???you can't beat knock out championship at the business end......

Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 29 - 13/09/2021 11:05:16    2380197

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Absolutely we can win again next yeat, best team in Ireland.

Rolo99 (Tyrone) - Posts: 19 - 13/09/2021 11:36:49    2380210

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Replying To conman1282:  "Long overdue. Have correct structure, development and management. Can they do back to back?"
Congrats on the All Ireland enjoy this one first ;) Can they do back to back? Yes but will they is another question. It is very very tough for an Ulster team in particular to win back to back All Ireland's, they just simply don't have the space to take things easy for a few months whilst planning their preparations to peak towards the business end of next season's championship.

They have to start planning now even as All Ireland Champions as depending on the draw could be in Ballybofey or Clones the first week of May.

The teams they'll have to battle with in Ulster have probably 2022 plans well in place already.

I think football is heading into a very competitive era, whilst Tyrone are worthy All Ireland Champions there are at least 5 or 6 teams who'd see them as not too far ahead of them, which is likely to push those counties on.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 852 - 13/09/2021 12:37:26    2380247

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A majority of Tyrone people wanted a change and now that we have it - there is a renewed interest and support for the Team.

I feel so sorry for the players in 'the lost years' guys like Conor McAliskey, Dermot Carlin, Cathal McCarron, Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNabb and of course Colm Cavanagh that they never got the reward they deserved.

I don't care if we lose in the first round next year as long the football we play and the way that we play it now has totally changed for the better.

Of course we can win back to back All Irelands but there will be a longer list of teams that will now believe that they can beat the top 4/5 teams.

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 789 - 13/09/2021 13:48:06    2380272

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The thing about tyrone under harte in the years after the 08 win was that he kept them v well organised and competitive despite not having the same marque names as the 00 team and playing defensive style Its part of his legacy that winning mentality and culture. Tyrone players are v comfortable on the ball in all areas dont get overawed by the occasion or opponents and do the simple things well remaining composed in defence and attack. They arrive into finals at all levels fully expecting to win. Once they had the switch to more attacking style this year under logan/dooher with a v strong squad coming through they had become serious all ireland contenders again and deserved to win it. Think they will be even stronger next year but I'd expect kerry and Dublin will as well so be hugely competitive.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1588 - 13/09/2021 14:06:42    2380278

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Replying To sam2008:  "A majority of Tyrone people wanted a change and now that we have it - there is a renewed interest and support for the Team.

I feel so sorry for the players in 'the lost years' guys like Conor McAliskey, Dermot Carlin, Cathal McCarron, Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNabb and of course Colm Cavanagh that they never got the reward they deserved.

I don't care if we lose in the first round next year as long the football we play and the way that we play it now has totally changed for the better.

Of course we can win back to back All Irelands but there will be a longer list of teams that will now believe that they can beat the top 4/5 teams."
Was Colm Cavanagh not there in 2008? I seem to recall him coming in as a sub and scoring a point late on. A pity about the other players you mention. Seems they were at their best in the years after 2008. Anyway, congrats to Tyrone on a well-merited win. Not many counties win a first All-Ireland and follow up with three more in the next 18 years. Offaly in hurling did something similar from 1981 to 1998.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 328 - 13/09/2021 14:27:15    2380286

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Well done to Tyrone on a deserved win. The biggest compliment I can pay them is that the game was done and dusted with about ten minutes to go and not many would have predicted that beforehand. They saw it out at their ease really.

2022 will be very interesting. In Ulster alone teams like ourselves, Monaghan, Armagh and an improving Derry will be itching to take Tyrone down. Then you'll still have the Dubs, Kerry, Mayo, possibly teams like Galway and Cork as well who'll think they're not far off Tyrone's level.

A quick look at the current prices for 2022 has Dublin favourites at 13/8, Kerry 6/4, Tyrone & Mayo 9/1, Donegal 16/1

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7446 - 13/09/2021 14:53:00    2380295

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Replying To conman1282:  "Long overdue. Have correct structure, development and management. Can they do back to back?"
Congratulations on ur win. But back to back won't happen. Dublin haven't gone away you know. And Kerry with a good manager will both be better than Tyrone next year, Donegal also in with a shout. And I'd expect mayo to beat anyone apart from in a final.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17792 - 13/09/2021 15:07:14    2380300

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Well done Tyrone, what a stunning turnaround during this season. It'll go down as one of best and hardest won All-Ireland titles.

Delighted for the players who've soldiered over the years, Harte, Morgan and Donnelly in particular who I've always been fans of.

Enjoy the winter.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13405 - 13/09/2021 16:58:30    2380337

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Congratulations on ur win. But back to back won't happen. Dublin haven't gone away you know. And Kerry with a good manager will both be better than Tyrone next year, Donegal also in with a shout. And I'd expect mayo to beat anyone apart from in a final."
Never understood all this hype around Donegal. They haven't been in a semi final or final since 2014 but each year there is this massive hype that they can go and push on

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 13/09/2021 18:55:38    2380372

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Replying To sam2008:  "A majority of Tyrone people wanted a change and now that we have it - there is a renewed interest and support for the Team.

I feel so sorry for the players in 'the lost years' guys like Conor McAliskey, Dermot Carlin, Cathal McCarron, Aidan McCrory, Ronan McNabb and of course Colm Cavanagh that they never got the reward they deserved.

I don't care if we lose in the first round next year as long the football we play and the way that we play it now has totally changed for the better.

Of course we can win back to back All Irelands but there will be a longer list of teams that will now believe that they can beat the top 4/5 teams."
Yeah got to feel for a few of those players. Although with mcaliskey he could have a medal this year if he stayed on. He decided to quit mid way through the year.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 13/09/2021 18:58:23    2380373

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Tyrone tends to underperform in the year following a win. There's no reason why Tyrone can't be competitive next year, but I'd say they'll get caught early on. Hope I'm wrong, of course.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1072 - 13/09/2021 19:49:56    2380391

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Tyrone have shown themselves more than anything to be a very tricky team to attack against, very well organised and I wouldn't have put it past this team to have given the Dubs team of 2015-2020 a run for their money.
Retaining the title isn't the insurmountable challenge it used to be imo, but Ill go with kerry next year.
Dublin /kerry /tyrone will have some serious battles over the next decade,

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 951 - 13/09/2021 20:33:23    2380409

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Replying To TYE08:  "Never understood all this hype around Donegal. They haven't been in a semi final or final since 2014 but each year there is this massive hype that they can go and push on"
You never know what can happen, I think before you beat us in summer we had beaten you 4 times on the trot in league and championship so that alone gives room for optimism in Donegal.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1023 - 13/09/2021 20:44:50    2380415

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Replying To TYE08:  "Never understood all this hype around Donegal. They haven't been in a semi final or final since 2014 but each year there is this massive hype that they can go and push on"
The hype in Donegal comes from the media. Not Donegal itself. Same with Kerry. The hype in Kerry was nt big but with the media it was. Dublin were always going to be vulnerable after 5 in a row but IMO last year only 3 teams had the capabilities of beating them and that was Tyrone Kerry and Donegal. I posted this last year but all 3 fell on their sword and Dublin. Tyrone are champions now and deservedly but are Donegal too far behind them?I think not. Next year in championship would you be confident of beating Donegal? For me a fifty fifty game.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2771 - 13/09/2021 21:13:16    2380428

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Congratulations on ur win. But back to back won't happen. Dublin haven't gone away you know. And Kerry with a good manager will both be better than Tyrone next year, Donegal also in with a shout. And I'd expect mayo to beat anyone apart from in a final."
I think in terms of All-Ireland's the Dubs are gone for at least next season, who knows for how long after.

It's time for Meath to make hay imo, are yous ready is the big question?

One year, arguably two, wasted and gone already until we're back.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13405 - 13/09/2021 21:30:02    2380437

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "The hype in Donegal comes from the media. Not Donegal itself. Same with Kerry. The hype in Kerry was nt big but with the media it was. Dublin were always going to be vulnerable after 5 in a row but IMO last year only 3 teams had the capabilities of beating them and that was Tyrone Kerry and Donegal. I posted this last year but all 3 fell on their sword and Dublin. Tyrone are champions now and deservedly but are Donegal too far behind them?I think not. Next year in championship would you be confident of beating Donegal? For me a fifty fifty game."
A good portion of the Donegal fans are saying they are a top team as well never mind the media. I am never fully confident of tyrone winning as many things can go wrong on the day. But before 2021 i still felt tyrone overall were a better side than Donegal. Yes Donegal have had tyrones number for a lot years but tyrone always out lasted Donegal in the later stages of the championship. In the last few years tyrone had been gotten out of the super 8s into semis and one final. I couldnt believe when I checked and realised donegal hadn't made it to a semi in 8 years.

I am a bit more confident now of tyrone chances of beating Donegal under the new management. As I felt mickey was too conservative and a bit more negative in those games.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 13/09/2021 21:49:25    2380442

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Replying To Donegal_abroad:  "You never know what can happen, I think before you beat us in summer we had beaten you 4 times on the trot in league and championship so that alone gives room for optimism in Donegal."
No doubt about it that Donegal has had the beating of tyrone over the last 10 years or so but I could never understand why use didn't get further in the championship.

Dont think bonner is the right man for it and while mcguinness would make a impact I don't think he's the right person either given the way football has changed.

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 13/09/2021 21:52:24    2380444

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Replying To TYE08:  "No doubt about it that Donegal has had the beating of tyrone over the last 10 years or so but I could never understand why use didn't get further in the championship.

Dont think bonner is the right man for it and while mcguinness would make a impact I don't think he's the right person either given the way football has changed."
Well in the last 10 years we did get to 2 All Ireland finals and won one. I agree in recent years though we have underachieved. I would feel Bonner isn't going to take us much further though like Harte with yous after a certain point. Knowing we have had your number and then seeing you guys go the distance has to be a wake up call to our players and management or nothing will be. Your progress this year has been immense.

I also feel McGuinness would absolutely take us further as he would fix the defensive issues which are core of our problems. Unfortunately it's irrelevant as he isn't coming back anytime soon.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1023 - 13/09/2021 22:35:59    2380462

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