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Mens GAA Ostrich With Head Stuck In The Sand

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "2 tiers are enough. You still want counties to have a challenge."
I agree, it makes sense to have two tiers with a clear pathway that if you are improving then you can be promoted from Tier 2 to the All Ireland championship (Tier 1) and vice versa. I agree with the other poster that comparing the club structure within a county to the intercounty is not a good comparison . Gaps between teams does exist but I don't believe that there is gaps to such an extent that you need to have a Junior grade like in the women's championship or a club championship. There must be an incentive that a county can bridge the gap from tier 2 to tier 1 in a similar way to how teams strive for promotion in the national football league.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1437 - 10/09/2021 12:19:52    2379303

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "No no , you can't start comparing inter county football to club football and treating countries like they are some little parish who can only field a junior or intermediate team , that's total nonsense to be honest.

If you take Dublin as an example , let's say they got zero funding or zero sponsorship do you think they would start to fall, stay as they are or improve in the coming years ?

Of course they would start to fall back, but if you disagree with me feel free to reply and make a case ."
Some counties can be compared to small clubs though, relatively speaking. Leitrim, Longford etc are tiny in comparison to Dublin and Cork from a population and playing numbers point of view.
Regardless of funding, it's very difficult for them to compete on a reasonably level playing field.
To use another comparison, smaller counties are similar to very small countries in international soccer. The introduction of the Nations League in Europe, which is a tiered competition has been credited with improving the likes of Luxembourg. They played more competitive games against countries at a similar level, rather than their only competitive matches being qualifiers against much stronger nations.
I think there are benefits to having a level of tiered competition. The challenge is in ensuring that the competitions are meaningful. This isn't easy, when dealing with over 130 years of tradition.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1184 - 10/09/2021 12:26:34    2379305

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Replying To the_walls:  "One thing I both like and dislike from the women's game is the hooter. I'd love the hooter to be brought into the men's game but with one difference. Once the hooter sounds play still continues until the ball goes dead like they do in rugby. Has it ever happened in the women's game where a team is a point down, takes a shot with seconds left and the hooter goes just before the ball goes over the bar or even where it's really hard to tell if the ball went over before the hooter? If it hasn't happened it surely will eventually."
I'm a big fan of the hooter myself, I think it's obvious from the ladies game that we need a 3 tiered Championship in the mens game too.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1802 - 10/09/2021 12:27:49    2379307

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Anyone else remember refcam?
An exciting innovative new accessory to the viewing public.... What a load of cac that turned out to be.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 951 - 10/09/2021 14:06:37    2379349

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Replying To the_walls:  "One thing I both like and dislike from the women's game is the hooter. I'd love the hooter to be brought into the men's game but with one difference. Once the hooter sounds play still continues until the ball goes dead like they do in rugby. Has it ever happened in the women's game where a team is a point down, takes a shot with seconds left and the hooter goes just before the ball goes over the bar or even where it's really hard to tell if the ball went over before the hooter? If it hasn't happened it surely will eventually."
One of the great arguments for the hooter previously was that the GAA were getting referees to play for draws so that they could gather more money from having replays. Its funny then that this year, between hurling and football, 3 of the 4 semi-finals finished in a draw. Imagine the conspiracy theories we would have if there were still replays - 3 draws and replays the year after no gate receipts due to Covid would have all the usual bores telling us all how corrupt the whole thing is.
Even now you will still have lads telling you all the GAA care about is money - ending replays to allow more time for club games has probably led to Croke Park missing out on about €6 million in gate receipts this year, as well as loads of additional exposure for our games in the media.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2623 - 10/09/2021 14:24:20    2379355

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If a motion were introduced at each county convention that the adult club football championship must be run as a single tier system, what would the outcome be? My guess is that it would be unanimously beaten.
And if a second motion were raised on the night to split the adult inter-county football championship into a tiered system, it would suffer the same fate.
There ain't no logic like GAA logic

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 861 - 10/09/2021 14:56:45    2379366

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I'm a big fan of the hooter myself, I think it's obvious from the ladies game that we need a 3 tiered Championship in the mens game too."
What I've always liked about the hooter is that there nobody is under any illusions to how much time is left. None of the at the discretion on the referee carry on that is a blight on the mens game.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1391 - 11/09/2021 14:18:52    2379607

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What's a "men's GAA Ostrich"

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 11/09/2021 16:14:37    2379627

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