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And 4th seed bye in week 1; all teams alternate home and away; and 4th/5th also disadvantaged with two back to backs, while the other three only has one. Maybe this is better than you intended? !
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2869 - 06/11/2021 16:35:47 2388561 Link 0 |
Correction - 1 & 4 don't fully alternate - but still good. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2869 - 06/11/2021 16:44:35 2388563 Link 0 |
The intention is 5 not playing on the final day and 4 not playing on the first day. You want your first 2 games to be home and away and your second 2 games to be home and away. Week 2 and Week 4 are suitable for hurling big weekends as the hurling championship is on-going simultaneously. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8266 - 06/11/2021 21:11:42 2388593 Link 0 |
I guess one thing about this solution and also the 4 groups of 4 solution is that they split the field into 4, so you get fewer games between the top teams. My favourite answer to the championship question has always been 2 tiers of 2 groups of 8. A way of doing that and allowing all teams a shot at qualifying would be. Tier 1: Top 3 from each group to playoffs with top placed teams straight to semifinals. 4th in each group qualified for the following season. 5th hosts 6th from the other group to get 2 other qualification spots for the following season. 7th and 8th don't qualify for the next season automatically. Tier 2 finalists qualify for the following season's tier 1. That leaves 12 teams starting each season qualified for Tier 1. Those 12 play a National league of 2 groups of 6. The other 20 teams play the All Ireland qualifiers. 4 groups of 5. Top 2 in each group to final qualifying round where top teams host 2nd placed teams. 4 winners complete tier 1 line up. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 07/11/2021 14:26:02 2388628 Link 3 |
Just a thought for people who think only a few teams are equipped to win the All Ireland. Start looking at your local club championships, seem more and more county championships are being won by the same club year after year. GAA can't be blamed for that. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2149 - 07/11/2021 17:17:58 2388646 Link 3 |
Having two even groups in the league e.g. Division 1A and 1B in hurling reduces the number of games between the top teams as well. With the round robin in the hurling provincial championships, Division 1A should be the top 6 teams. Top 2 into the final and the bottom team relegated to 1B. Division 1B should be the next 6 teams. Top 2 into the final, winner promoted and the bottom team relegated to 1B. I would only be in favour of even groups in the football league where league is being used for championship qualification. Example of the below: National Football League: Div. 1 (Top 12) A.B 1.1 - Final 2.2 3.3 4.4 5.5 6.6 - Both relegated.* Div. 2 A.B 1.1 - Final and both promoted. (Top 14) 2.2 - Possible 16th place playoff. 3.3 - Possible 18th place playoff. 4.4 - Possible 20th place playoff. 5.5 - Both relegated. Div. 3 A.B 1.1 Final, both promoted and 15th playoff. 2.2 3.3 4.4 5.5 * Division 1 is where all teams want to be. All Division 1 teams and the teams being promoted to Division 1 should be a part of the All-Ireland group stage. Provincial Championships: Current knockout. No further explanation required! All-Ireland Championship: 20 teams = 4 provincial winners, 15 league teams and previous year's Tailteann winner. A.B.C.D 1.1.1.1 - Quarter-finals 2.2.2.2 - Quarter-finals 3.3.3.3 4.4.4.4 5.5.5.5 Tailteann Cup: 12 teams = all remaining Division 2 and 3 counties. A.B 1.1 - Semi-finals 2.2 - Semi-finals 3.3 4.4 5.5 6.6 Under this proposal, the All-Ireland series would consist of 12 Division 1 teams, 6 Division 2 teams (due to provincial winners most likely being of a high league placing) and at least 1 Division 3 team. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8266 - 07/11/2021 20:09:49 2388672 Link 0 |
You claimed a few days ago the qualifiers work, you're in no position to be giving anyone advice.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 07/11/2021 21:20:10 2388682 Link 1 |
They do and will, lucky for some.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2149 - 07/11/2021 21:33:16 2388684 Link 2 |
I feel a better championship would be along the lines of the Kelly proposal but after provincial championship to go back to the standings from the league so that's 4 divisions of 8 teams open draw then 1 team from each division drawn in to 8 group's of 4 gives all teams a chance to play for Sam so when 3 group games are played top 2 continue on to play for Sam in last 16 straight knockout from then on bottom 2 teams play for tailteann Cup straight knockout also Sinbin (Wicklow) - Posts: 18 - 07/11/2021 21:50:47 2388689 Link 0 |
Need to get your hand out of the sand.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 07/11/2021 21:54:17 2388690 Link 0 |
*head*
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 07/11/2021 21:54:51 2388691 Link 0 |
Tails
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2149 - 08/11/2021 08:33:49 2388702 Link 3 |
Good questions 1) Would you like the Top 4 in each of 2A/2B merged with Bottom 4 in each of 1A/1B for a cracking Mid 16 Tier 2 AIC (or just leave 2A/2B play for Tier 2) --- ? That could be a good competition alright. The big thing for me is to have something tangible to play for. So perhaps if the top 4 of this competition were in Division 1A / 1B the following year it could work well. I would have a concern that that would dilute the prize on offer for the bottom tier 8 teams competition. I am a big believer that there should be fluid promotion / relegation between the football tiers. So if we went back to a 1A / 1B structure I'd like to see up to 3/4 teams go up and down each year. The fairest way I can think of to do this would be to have the bottom 3 teams in Tier 1A & B play off with 2 teams relegated automatically - replaced by the Tier 2 winner and runner up. I'd add a 3rd spot or even a 4th spot via a playoff between the semi finalists in Tier 2 and the 1A relegation play-off winners 2) Would you prefer to keep Tier 1 playoffs, and separately Tier 2, as strictly KO, or have a 2nd chance reward for some teams (like 2021 Liam McC 'last 8', or 2017/2022 Sam Mag 'last 16') ? --- There is less a need for a second chance if you have the seedings in the competition right. Your second chance is through the provincial route. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 348 - 08/11/2021 09:44:51 2388714 Link 0 |
I don't think reforms which meant more games in the premier competitions will have much of an impact one way or another in terms of the all consuming nature of the inter county game, after any changes the day to day commitment will likely be similar. It's more about reorientating the season so give players more games in the premier competitions and increase the ratio of these games to training sessions. There is dangers of professionalism are real but the reality is a high profile inter county game is needed to help attract kids to play the game. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1399 - 08/11/2021 19:32:39 2388820 Link 0 |
The demographic differences between counties obviously make it harder to have a balanced competitive championship. But even if we had more balanced teams playing the structure would still be flawed so it's kind of a separate debate.
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1399 - 08/11/2021 19:45:31 2388824 Link 0 |
Provincial Round Robin; legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8266 - 09/11/2021 12:13:08 2388887 Link 0 |
Having the provincials be the main determinant of the All Ireland make is just out of step with the direction that most want to move in.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 09/11/2021 15:08:21 2388918 Link 2 |
They were offered a weak provincial option. Provincial Qualification Equity can provide a vibrant provincial championship. Counties will have to be of reasonable standard to compete in their provincial championship.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8266 - 09/11/2021 17:49:41 2388949 Link 0 |
It's too much of a link to the All Ireland is the problem.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4329 - 10/11/2021 10:46:54 2388989 Link 1 |
Hurling has retained the provincial championships and All-Ireland Series. 4/6 Munster teams, 4/6 Connaught teams, 8/9 Ulster teams and 8/11 Leinster teams competing in their provincial championships seems fair. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8266 - 10/11/2021 12:04:18 2389000 Link 0 |