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Dummy Teams And Match Programmes

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Yeah and maybe just print the programme with all the panel names on it."
We are full time at that nonsense up in Cavan too… I think management believes it might confuse the opposition…. It obviously worked well as we are now in Division 4…. A simple way to cut it out would be to not allow the named player who doesn't start participate in any part of the game….

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 289 - 21/07/2021 16:22:04    2362570

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "We are full time at that nonsense up in Cavan too… I think management believes it might confuse the opposition…. It obviously worked well as we are now in Division 4…. A simple way to cut it out would be to not allow the named player who doesn't start participate in any part of the game…."
And just don't buy the programmes ....

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 298 - 21/07/2021 17:49:24    2362596

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Replying To Bon:  "If you look at a lot of soccer matches the team is only named an hour before kick off."
so if they have players listed it will just be the full squad and their squad number.

Easy solution. at start of league each player is given a number in squad and they keep that for the whole league. it may change for championship but all players are listed 1-32 or whatever number is allowed in county squads.
then this isnt an issue.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2549 - 21/07/2021 20:28:31    2362651

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Or force a substitute for any player named to start but not lining out. Teams might think twice if they had to use up subs for any mind games.

TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 123 - 21/07/2021 20:51:23    2362657

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Mal O'Rourke at Monaghan was awful for it.

I remember a league a few years ago and he changed about 8 of the team.

Extremely annoying with no advantage"
Tyrone weren't bad at it either, always expected changes come throw in. It happens now in club championship games.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 979 - 21/07/2021 21:08:17    2362664

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Tyrone weren't bad at it either, always expected changes come throw in. It happens now in club championship games."
Teams have to be named on the Thursday night before a Sunday game. I presume it's Wednesday night before a Saturday game. Most teams have their final training session in a Friday night before a Sunday game. It would be a regular occurrence for players to undergo fitness tests. Squads should be published in the programmes. Let the teams be announced on match day and let supporters tick the boxes. That's what happens in soccer so it might be difficult to introduce it in to championship hurling and football .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5688 - 21/07/2021 22:11:08    2362682

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "A. N. Other was a legendary dualstar Mick"
He was called out that evening in Tullamore, did ok too.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 401 - 21/07/2021 22:22:43    2362685

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If people going to matches decide not to bother with programmes and left them to be recycled,I wonder would the Gaa authorities take action then?

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1418 - 21/07/2021 22:29:58    2362686

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Replying To TearsIn85:  "Or force a substitute for any player named to start but not lining out. Teams might think twice if they had to use up subs for any mind games."
I've seen some ridiculous ideas here but some of these take it to a new level.

Take the Dublin hurlers last week for example. Under your idea they'd be two subs down before they start because of Covid close contacts.

Or a team sent in on the Thursday, a guy breaks his finger that night in training. Under your idea not only is the team without the player, but they also get a second punishment of having less subs available to use.

Harebrained nonsense.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 22/07/2021 08:43:50    2362725

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Well StoreysTash he learned from the master. Ger Loughnane was the original dummy team manager which resulted in the retirement of the series winner A. N. Other. Its very annoying."
Yeah, Ger Loughane is before my time but I would bet you 1 thing, if the opposition manager was asked to pick the Clare team to start he would have picked most of it, dummy team or not.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 22/07/2021 09:39:05    2362740

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Replying To Onfor15:  "I've seen some ridiculous ideas here but some of these take it to a new level.

Take the Dublin hurlers last week for example. Under your idea they'd be two subs down before they start because of Covid close contacts.

Or a team sent in on the Thursday, a guy breaks his finger that night in training. Under your idea not only is the team without the player, but they also get a second punishment of having less subs available to use.

Harebrained nonsense."
Ní that's unforeseen circumstance. If a player is injured or can't play then fair enough but dummy teams ní way. If players are listed but get sick or whatever the change should be allowed free gratis. However that player then should not play any part of came (to ensure its real). That would stop the nonsense. If you make changes its a used sub. If its genuine no problem.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2768 - 22/07/2021 12:23:15    2362803

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Ní that's unforeseen circumstance. If a player is injured or can't play then fair enough but dummy teams ní way. If players are listed but get sick or whatever the change should be allowed free gratis. However that player then should not play any part of came (to ensure its real). That would stop the nonsense. If you make changes its a used sub. If its genuine no problem."
Are you sure you're not already a member of the rules advisory committee?

Because that sounds exactly like the type of poorly thought out rubbish that they have been introducing in recent years.

Onfor15 (Wexford) - Posts: 302 - 22/07/2021 14:40:30    2362868

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Replying To Onfor15:  "Are you sure you're not already a member of the rules advisory committee?

Because that sounds exactly like the type of poorly thought out rubbish that they have been introducing in recent years."
I'm just an ordinary supporter that used to collect programmes.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2768 - 22/07/2021 14:53:57    2362873

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Question for posters? Do any of you have a problem with managers naming dummy teams. I do and I think it's disrespectful to the supporters who buy programmes. I know a good friend of mine from Dublin that stopped buying programmes a couple of years ago due to this fact. I think it was Colm Parkinson that said that when a team is named off there are changes made it should be counted as subs used. That would stop the nonsense. I know sometimes there are last minute problems but it's a common theme for a few managers. I never see that great Gael named anymore either "A. N. Other""
First world problems

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 22/07/2021 16:12:38    2362907

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I buy the programs as a souvenir and a quick read of an article before the game starts.

No point buying it to see who's starting. I can usually tell by the warm up anyway

I like the flashback articles to a previous old game between the sides.

Standing on the Hill they have also acted as an umbrella on many occasions

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20341 - 23/07/2021 10:15:14    2363086

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The way team set ups and formations are gone, I think it means nothing to see a team lined out in their traditional 1 to 15 positions. I think they should go like the soccer and give squad numbers and list them out on the programme as such. Soccer leaves us in suspense as to what way a team is going to line up and GAA has moved that way too.

TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 23/07/2021 12:17:38    2363139

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Replying To jimbodub:  "I buy the programs as a souvenir and a quick read of an article before the game starts.

No point buying it to see who's starting. I can usually tell by the warm up anyway

I like the flashback articles to a previous old game between the sides.

Standing on the Hill they have also acted as an umbrella on many occasions"
Just coming from a different angle but years down the line it would be nice to show grandchildren your name as a starter, not coming in as late replacement.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 979 - 23/07/2021 23:45:51    2363325

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