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mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 969 - 27/04/2021 13:11:37    2338930

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Do you not see how often it goes forward?

Hence the huge scores they rack up

Dublin play a system that renders the blanket useless and have perfected it now because they play against such so often.. practically every game

So well why run into swarm tackles? it's exactly what the blanket wants, to get you to over commit, be impatient and then be countered at pace.

If the opposition team didn't have 14 behind the ball Dublin wouldn't play the way they do, but everyone is to cautious amd conservative to play any other way because they'll get torn up...

By all means setup man v man.. but it's not going to happen, so Dublin will continue to play what's in front of them and continue to counter such with a tried, tested, perfected system.

Dublin can play anyway you want but it's the opposition that dictates that.

I'm sure you'd love to watch Dublin run into traps but best of luck with that. It's not going to happen. when Dublin have such a massive advantage in being tactically superior... it's beyond stupid to suggest otherwise."
I agree with you but you are missing the point of the arguement. The issue is why do RTE Pundits not point out the hold on to the ball tactics they engage in, the amount of times they have 12 men behind the ball etc etc. It does happen and it happened several times against Mayo in last year's final- how is the setting up of another team dictating that Dublin need to bring so many people behind the ball??

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 27/04/2021 13:13:42    2338931

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "They aren't tactically superior, they are tactically negative. Passing the ball amongst your own team mates on your own 45 yard line isn't positive football no matter how you spin it."
It mightn't be great to watch at times but 6 All Ireland's in a row means it's giving them positive results. It's up to the other teams to counteract it and try and beat them. We've done it ourselves too, though it's bad for a supporters heart! I'm 52, could be age thing, but I'm fascinated by tactics and don't think a game has to be end-to-end to be good.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 27/04/2021 13:55:41    2338936

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I actually like Tomàs O'Sè, I think he calls a spade a spade and not afraid to shirk the hard call. I"'ve always liked Anthony Tohill but he only appeared now and again. McStay does my nut as he is so opinionated and 'perfect' , as we say he he would be a mother in laws dream to arrive to the door looking to take the daughter out,

One forgotten man is Dara O'Cinnèide. He had a sports talk show in Friday evenings on TG4 but it finished a few years back. .Dara was often a pundit in the Sunday game but I don't think it sat well with him, he was a way more of a success as the host and I'd love to see him instead of the Des Cahill. Seò Sport had some excellent guest talkers in Colman Goggins, Kevin Cassidy, Ray Silk, Tomãs Flatharta. In hurling they had Pat Fleury, Donal O'Grady, Liam Rush, Lee Chin.

One hurling pundit I have huge grà for is Anthony Daly pure honesty, a gaa version of Sean Dysch.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5490 - 27/04/2021 14:01:56    2338937

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "I actually like Tomàs O'Sè, I think he calls a spade a spade and not afraid to shirk the hard call. I"'ve always liked Anthony Tohill but he only appeared now and again. McStay does my nut as he is so opinionated and 'perfect' , as we say he he would be a mother in laws dream to arrive to the door looking to take the daughter out,

One forgotten man is Dara O'Cinnèide. He had a sports talk show in Friday evenings on TG4 but it finished a few years back. .Dara was often a pundit in the Sunday game but I don't think it sat well with him, he was a way more of a success as the host and I'd love to see him instead of the Des Cahill. Seò Sport had some excellent guest talkers in Colman Goggins, Kevin Cassidy, Ray Silk, Tomãs Flatharta. In hurling they had Pat Fleury, Donal O'Grady, Liam Rush, Lee Chin.

One hurling pundit I have huge grà for is Anthony Daly pure honesty, a gaa version of Sean Dysch."
I have huge respect for what McStay says, as he actually decided to leave the rte bubble and do some inter county coaching so he has walked the walk. Something some of the others haven't dreamed of doing.

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 27/04/2021 14:27:15    2338940

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "I have huge respect for what McStay says, as he actually decided to leave the rte bubble and do some inter county coaching so he has walked the walk. Something some of the others haven't dreamed of doing."
Yes indeed he has and it is a pity he didn't get a chance with a big county- could have had real success if lack of talent and finance etc didn't hinder him. His dream was always the Mayo job but he only ended up with Roscommon.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 27/04/2021 14:41:56    2338942

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Why was he passed over for Mayo job? The time Holmes and Cassidy were joint managers?

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5490 - 27/04/2021 15:01:37    2338947

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Why was he passed over for Mayo job? The time Holmes and Cassidy were joint managers?"
Read the main page, he comments about it in a story there. Seems like player power was involved.

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 27/04/2021 15:05:28    2338950

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Why was he passed over for Mayo job? The time Holmes and Cassidy were joint managers?"
if you read his interview on this website he states he thinks he was too honest and detailed changes he would make etc. This in turn did not sit well with some players who obviously said they would not be happy with him. The same players who shafted Holmes and Conneely the following year and who tried and succeeded in dictating to Rochford if rumours are to be believed.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 27/04/2021 15:05:43    2338951

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "Why was he passed over for Mayo job? The time Holmes and Cassidy were joint managers?"
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Politics!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 27/04/2021 15:21:06    2338954

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I was asking to what "wasn't in that interview" .... was his affiliation to his brother in law an issue.

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5490 - 27/04/2021 15:42:50    2338959

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "I was asking to what "wasn't in that interview" .... was his affiliation to his brother in law an issue."
Don't think so but it's a good question. Liam is a legend in Mayo GAA but maybe jealousy and basketball means he's not liked by some. Connelly's brother being on the board might have more to do with it. Despite McStay being the only candidate! Rejected in '95 too, maybe McStay has a face that doesn't fit with the county board.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 27/04/2021 16:27:29    2338970

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Don't think so but it's a good question. Liam is a legend in Mayo GAA but maybe jealousy and basketball means he's not liked by some. Connelly's brother being on the board might have more to do with it. Despite McStay being the only candidate! Rejected in '95 too, maybe McStay has a face that doesn't fit with the county board."
There was an issue with Liam McHale alright.Some of the players did nt like comments Liam made in an interview and said they would nt play under Mc Hale.Mc Stay said Liam was part of the package and hence he did nt get the job.Mc Stay felt the job was gone even before he did the interview.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3034 - 27/04/2021 17:51:19    2338980

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "They aren't tactically superior, they are tactically negative. Passing the ball amongst your own team mates on your own 45 yard line isn't positive football no matter how you spin it."
They are by far and away tactically superior

Two tactics at play and Dublins tactic has won them 6 in a row and awarded them with the greatest unbeaten Championship run of all time

Of course it's a much superior tactic as it completely negates the oppositions own tactic

Dublin play to counter the negative

If it takes a few passes sideways so be it

I love watching Dublin beat the blanket and it's had watching 14 players chase shadows

By all means setup man v man and watch what will happen

But I want hold my breath

Dublin play against what's put in front of them and do it superbly well. If that takes a few sideways passes on order to avoid being turned over and countered.. meh

Hard lessons learned over the years

And they learned it well

If you want to cry about RTE pundits fire away :)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 27/04/2021 19:00:33    2338985

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Replying To tonguey:  "I agree with you but you are missing the point of the arguement. The issue is why do RTE Pundits not point out the hold on to the ball tactics they engage in, the amount of times they have 12 men behind the ball etc etc. It does happen and it happened several times against Mayo in last year's final- how is the setting up of another team dictating that Dublin need to bring so many people behind the ball??"
So what?

I've said it many times on here

They play a total football system

Can play anyway you like, and just flick the switch in every game. Offensive into defensive and everything in between

There's never been a more balanced and complete team in the history of the GAA

The quality is blatantly evident, I've no trouble with Dublin dropping men back because it's all part of the overall system at play and really I'm too busy watching my team play superbly well then to be overly wrapped up by what any of the pundits are going on about life.

Dublin won a treble in 2013 playing swashbuckling football, they lost playing the same way in 2014 and made the switch in order to become a more balanced team

It's evolved since into what you see now. A completely new system of play that no one can beat.

Tactically superior in every sense

To deny such is blatantly riridiculous

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 27/04/2021 19:12:10    2338989

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I think Colm O'Rourke and Pat Spillane should be retired from punditry at this stage. There is nothing worse than starting a new GAA season and then getting the same old faces. Michael Lyster was past his best. Ger Canning too has been commentating far too long. And maybe the same can be said for Marty Morrissey.

johnocarroll17 (Limerick) - Posts: 408 - 27/04/2021 19:30:32    2338995

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Replying To tonguey:  "I agree with you but you are missing the point of the arguement. The issue is why do RTE Pundits not point out the hold on to the ball tactics they engage in, the amount of times they have 12 men behind the ball etc etc. It does happen and it happened several times against Mayo in last year's final- how is the setting up of another team dictating that Dublin need to bring so many people behind the ball??"
Well if one team sets up defensively, only bringing players into the opposing half when they have possession, then of course the other team must set up defensively to a greater or lesser degree, otherwise they risk being caught wide open on the break, surely this is obvious even to the many one eyed posters.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 429 - 27/04/2021 20:09:38    2339002

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Replying To Horsebox77:  "I actually like Tomàs O'Sè, I think he calls a spade a spade and not afraid to shirk the hard call. I"'ve always liked Anthony Tohill but he only appeared now and again. McStay does my nut as he is so opinionated and 'perfect' , as we say he he would be a mother in laws dream to arrive to the door looking to take the daughter out,

One forgotten man is Dara O'Cinnèide. He had a sports talk show in Friday evenings on TG4 but it finished a few years back. .Dara was often a pundit in the Sunday game but I don't think it sat well with him, he was a way more of a success as the host and I'd love to see him instead of the Des Cahill. Seò Sport had some excellent guest talkers in Colman Goggins, Kevin Cassidy, Ray Silk, Tomãs Flatharta. In hurling they had Pat Fleury, Donal O'Grady, Liam Rush, Lee Chin.

One hurling pundit I have huge grà for is Anthony Daly pure honesty, a gaa version of Sean Dysch."
I remember Ó Cinnéide's show and he had some good guests alright. I actually like O Shea too. He always calls it fairly and isn't afraid to say it as he sees it or give a bit of praise where it is due.
We were blessed to have Daly for a good few years and he brought some great success to the hurlers. They were ready to kill for him.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2312 - 27/04/2021 20:35:13    2339009

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Replying To jimbodub:  "So what?

I've said it many times on here

They play a total football system

Can play anyway you like, and just flick the switch in every game. Offensive into defensive and everything in between

There's never been a more balanced and complete team in the history of the GAA

The quality is blatantly evident, I've no trouble with Dublin dropping men back because it's all part of the overall system at play and really I'm too busy watching my team play superbly well then to be overly wrapped up by what any of the pundits are going on about life.

Dublin won a treble in 2013 playing swashbuckling football, they lost playing the same way in 2014 and made the switch in order to become a more balanced team

It's evolved since into what you see now. A completely new system of play that no one can beat.

Tactically superior in every sense

To deny such is blatantly riridiculous"
All while the amateur players chase the shadows. The sooner more than 2 or 3 consecutive hand passes are outlawed the better. There are now more hand passes in a game of Gaelic football than there are in Rugby which is played for 10 minutes longer. Nothing to be proud of.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/04/2021 21:15:02    2339012

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Well if one team sets up defensively, only bringing players into the opposing half when they have possession, then of course the other team must set up defensively to a greater or lesser degree, otherwise they risk being caught wide open on the break, surely this is obvious even to the many one eyed posters."
I've not seen a team being caught on the break yet while they're hand passing the ball to themselves in their own half and not an opposing player in sight. It's main purpose is reconfigure the attack, draw a press to open up space or of course time waste, but I definitely wouldn't describe it as any type of defensive set up outside the obvious outcome that you wont concede while in possession.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 27/04/2021 22:25:07    2339028

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