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realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8372 - 27/04/2021 22:37:51    2339034

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I think Tomas O'Sé is a very good pundit, by far the best on RTE. Canavan and McConville very good as well.

Is there anyone else not really involved as a pundit at the moment that people think would make a good one, probably would be a recently retired player? Bernard Brogan, Keith Higgins, Tom Parsons or Gary Brennan a few possible names.

Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 921 - 27/04/2021 22:58:54    2339038

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "All while the amateur players chase the shadows. The sooner more than 2 or 3 consecutive hand passes are outlawed the better. There are now more hand passes in a game of Gaelic football than there are in Rugby which is played for 10 minutes longer. Nothing to be proud of. "
Dublin possess the skill set to make foot passes and do so in every game.

Lovely directly play when it's on. Lots to be proud of regarding this Dublin team, they really display it all.

Hand passing is part of the modern game and if you are looking back to the hopeful hoof it and see what happens days, then all you have to do is watch TG4 and see the really poor quality on offer. Can you get that in Africa?

Again the tactics of others dictate a lot of Dublin's play and they can mix it up. No point hoofing in lots of balls just for the sake of it. If a long pass is on then the evidence is there that Dublin utilise this option very well and with great precession that results in game changing scores/possession.

Just further demonstrates my point of how well balanced this Dublin setup is. Can really just flick it on/off and the in game intelligence of the players is quite evident when doing so. They make for the most part good decisions and the bad ones stand out a mile.

You mention hand passing, I think to properly address this you need to look at the high level of players now that are very comfortable off both feet in the modern game. You've professional soccer players that are brutally unbalanced. I'll use Dublin as the bench mark example in this case but it's quite evident across many top teams.
It's very much something to be proud of when you see just how easy many of the current Dublin team make it look by swinging over scores with either foot and even making long range hand passing look off either hand. The hardest thing to do is make it look easy.

The modern game is drastically improved in this regard and I for one can fully appreciate the great skill set it takes to be so proficient with a supposed weaker foot/hand. It simply doesnt appear out if thin air. Its earned by great effort and again just look at professional soccer players being paid many millions that can't kick snow off a rope off their "weaker foot"

I think again there's an awful lot to be proud of in the modern game and to be so narrow skews demonstrates a sort of self serving naysaying. Quite cynical.

But I can see you're looking at it in a very narrow way alright, just to be making negative noise for the sake of it, with very little balance to your lazy ill conceived point.

I don't think you really have a clue.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 28/04/2021 08:10:32    2339047

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Ideal panel for me would be:

Presenter: Joe Molloy (from newstalk)

Commentator: Darragh Maloney
Co-commentator: Marty Clarke

Panel: Peter Canavan, Oisin McConville, Cian Ward

HuddHastings (Longford) - Posts: 144 - 28/04/2021 09:34:14    2339052

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Replying To jimbodub:  "So what?

I've said it many times on here

They play a total football system

Can play anyway you like, and just flick the switch in every game. Offensive into defensive and everything in between

There's never been a more balanced and complete team in the history of the GAA

The quality is blatantly evident, I've no trouble with Dublin dropping men back because it's all part of the overall system at play and really I'm too busy watching my team play superbly well then to be overly wrapped up by what any of the pundits are going on about life.

Dublin won a treble in 2013 playing swashbuckling football, they lost playing the same way in 2014 and made the switch in order to become a more balanced team

It's evolved since into what you see now. A completely new system of play that no one can beat.

Tactically superior in every sense

To deny such is blatantly riridiculous"
I agree with you honey, however I still refer to my point- why RTE don't point out this issue is beyond me and why people are turning away from it in their droves. Surely you can see the bias towards Dublin, yes the greatest team of all time no doubt but they are not whiter than white. I agree with what you have said but RTE do not point out the very obvious negative aspects to Dublin's play. I really admire Dublin and how they can keep going on a professional level with very little financial support but I find it strange that RTE have such a love in going on with them. So I agree with your excellent analysis honey but there are some aspects that need to be highlighted.

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 28/04/2021 09:34:31    2339053

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Replying To jimbodub:  "They are by far and away tactically superior

Two tactics at play and Dublins tactic has won them 6 in a row and awarded them with the greatest unbeaten Championship run of all time

Of course it's a much superior tactic as it completely negates the oppositions own tactic

Dublin play to counter the negative

If it takes a few passes sideways so be it

I love watching Dublin beat the blanket and it's had watching 14 players chase shadows

By all means setup man v man and watch what will happen

But I want hold my breath

Dublin play against what's put in front of them and do it superbly well. If that takes a few sideways passes on order to avoid being turned over and countered.. meh

Hard lessons learned over the years

And they learned it well

If you want to cry about RTE pundits fire away :)"
Very easy to win games when you play at home all the time and don't travel, and rte pundits rarely highlight that either. And it isn't a few passes sideways either sugar, it is vast minutes of being on the opposition 45 and kicking the ball back into their own half and handpassing it around there. That is no way to win a game. It is killing time and it is horrible to watch. But rte are too afraid to say that. This is a thread about pundits, i'm not crying about it at all pet.

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 28/04/2021 09:58:53    2339055

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Even with all of Dublin's advantages and professionalism, the last time an amateur team put it up to them man on man they were like startled earwigs on steroids, and had to resort to cheating to scrape over the line. Dublin will be beaten by football, by a team that can kick pass and that doesn't need to employ a basketball coach like they do, it's Dublin's fitness and overall strength and conditioning which is their main advantage over amateur teams, so the GAA either need to start distributing the finances fairly in order that all counties can avail of the same set up or just hand the professional team Sam every year, and stop trying to cod everyone.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 28/04/2021 11:58:21    2339079

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I'm looking forward to seeing your evidence that the Dublin players are professional

You have said "you only deal in facts"

Yet here you are making unsubstantiated claims

"I'm looking forward to seeing your data" regarding Dublin being professional"

So please practice what you preach or stop bleating out ridiculous misinformation and lies.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 28/04/2021 12:56:01    2339095

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Replying To tonguey:  "I agree with you honey, however I still refer to my point- why RTE don't point out this issue is beyond me and why people are turning away from it in their droves. Surely you can see the bias towards Dublin, yes the greatest team of all time no doubt but they are not whiter than white. I agree with what you have said but RTE do not point out the very obvious negative aspects to Dublin's play. I really admire Dublin and how they can keep going on a professional level with very little financial support but I find it strange that RTE have such a love in going on with them. So I agree with your excellent analysis honey but there are some aspects that need to be highlighted."
Honey?

lol

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20366 - 28/04/2021 12:58:05    2339096

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Honey?

lol"
an angry man is a nice man no

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 28/04/2021 14:03:06    2339109

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "Very easy to win games when you play at home all the time and don't travel, and rte pundits rarely highlight that either. And it isn't a few passes sideways either sugar, it is vast minutes of being on the opposition 45 and kicking the ball back into their own half and handpassing it around there. That is no way to win a game. It is killing time and it is horrible to watch. But rte are too afraid to say that. This is a thread about pundits, i'm not crying about it at all pet."
Of course it's a way to win a game if it wins them games. Just because it's not easy in the eye doesn't stop it being effective.

The gaelic football pundits are paid to analyse football matches and how teams have won, drawn or lost. They're not TV critics paid to analyse the entertainment value of football teams style of play. I think it's partly down to the lie being sold to people on social media, not just Gaelic games but other sports, TV shows, movies, music etc, if it doesn't appeal to a mass audience it's not entertaining enough and therefore it's boring.

You could put your question to RTE here: [email protected] if you like but they used to be a mix of smartar$ed and hostile when I queried them before.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 28/04/2021 15:50:07    2339140

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "Very easy to win games when you play at home all the time and don't travel, and rte pundits rarely highlight that either. And it isn't a few passes sideways either sugar, it is vast minutes of being on the opposition 45 and kicking the ball back into their own half and handpassing it around there. That is no way to win a game. It is killing time and it is horrible to watch. But rte are too afraid to say that. This is a thread about pundits, i'm not crying about it at all pet."
You say "That is no way to win a game." So, could you please tell me 'the way to win a win'? I mean, how do Leitrim win their's?

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1265 - 28/04/2021 16:04:51    2339143

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "You say "That is no way to win a game." So, could you please tell me 'the way to win a win'? I mean, how do Leitrim win their's?"
The way to win is never to stop attacking, it isn't to run down the clock like Dublin do. That's my opinion. How does Leitrim win our games? We win very little, we have one of the smallest pick of players in the country, we get some of the least funding, and we play our championship games fairly on a home and away basis. How does it work in the USA?

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 28/04/2021 19:18:51    2339177

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Of course it's a way to win a game if it wins them games. Just because it's not easy in the eye doesn't stop it being effective.

The gaelic football pundits are paid to analyse football matches and how teams have won, drawn or lost. They're not TV critics paid to analyse the entertainment value of football teams style of play. I think it's partly down to the lie being sold to people on social media, not just Gaelic games but other sports, TV shows, movies, music etc, if it doesn't appeal to a mass audience it's not entertaining enough and therefore it's boring.

You could put your question to RTE here: [email protected] if you like but they used to be a mix of smartar$ed and hostile when I queried them before."
It's very effective, but it's very negative. Yes the pundits are paid to analyse games, but they have never said Dublin play a negative style, it's always they play a great type of football. This is inherently false punditry, made on the basis they are afraid to criticise that team because they bring in the advertising revenue.

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 28/04/2021 19:22:19    2339180

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "The way to win is never to stop attacking, it isn't to run down the clock like Dublin do. That's my opinion. How does Leitrim win our games? We win very little, we have one of the smallest pick of players in the country, we get some of the least funding, and we play our championship games fairly on a home and away basis. How does it work in the USA?"
Sure, we win everything over here; all our games and home; and loads of dosh from our hyper-sponsors. Jaysus, da Du6s are lucky that they ain't over here! And we've got the pick of players as well. Sure we'd have more people living in one of our big skyscraper apt buildings that ye have in the whole county of Leitrim

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1265 - 29/04/2021 04:02:54    2339248

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I couldn't give a toss about whether or not pundits offer "insight, analysis" bla bla bla. Think that people are oftentimes a bit pretentious when it comes to saying they want things like that. It's a sport, not international politics. Besides,, having watched a game myself I shouldn't need someone explaining to me what's just happened.

Id always be more in favour of pundits who argue avd row with one another, like Spillane, brolly, and o, Woke (before they got stale), or the classic rté soccer line up of Dunphy, Giles and Brady. Perhaps a bit uncouth for some of the more intellectual on here but far more entertaining all the same :)

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1262 - 29/04/2021 07:44:53    2339252

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I couldn't give a toss about whether or not pundits offer "insight, analysis" bla bla bla. Think that people are oftentimes a bit pretentious when it comes to saying they want things like that. It's a sport, not international politics. Besides,, having watched a game myself I shouldn't need someone explaining to me what's just happened.

Id always be more in favour of pundits who argue avd row with one another, like Spillane, brolly, and o, Woke (before they got stale), or the classic rté soccer line up of Dunphy, Giles and Brady. Perhaps a bit uncouth for some of the more intellectual on here but far more entertaining all the same :)"
Can't see it happening on Sunday game but would love to see discussion this kind of style:

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GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6759 - 29/04/2021 12:17:43    2339280

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "Very easy to win games when you play at home all the time and don't travel, and rte pundits rarely highlight that either. And it isn't a few passes sideways either sugar, it is vast minutes of being on the opposition 45 and kicking the ball back into their own half and handpassing it around there. That is no way to win a game. It is killing time and it is horrible to watch. But rte are too afraid to say that. This is a thread about pundits, i'm not crying about it at all pet."
"It is no way to win a game".... sorry to bring you down from your high horse into reality, but if the rules allow it it is a perfectly valid way of winning a game. Campaign to change the rules to make side passes and back passes illegal if you want but until this happens Dublin are perfectly entitled to play with the style they do. In fact they would be totally stupid to play in any other way. I am not a fan of modern gaelic football myself but as the game is played, there is no team whose style is more attractive than Dublin's.
Re your other point about RTE pundits not highlighting Dublin's advantage in playing at home all the time, we all know the arguments on that, everyone has an opinion on it either for or against, and it would be extremely tedious tv viewing if it was raised all the time by pundits, it would be one sure way of getting people to turn down the sound or turn off, having to listen to the same old arguments which have been done to death at this stage

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1687 - 29/04/2021 13:34:50    2339310

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "It's very effective, but it's very negative. Yes the pundits are paid to analyse games, but they have never said Dublin play a negative style, it's always they play a great type of football. This is inherently false punditry, made on the basis they are afraid to criticise that team because they bring in the advertising revenue."
And if they criticise them how does that take away advertising revenue? Do dubs stop watching or what?

achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 506 - 29/04/2021 13:47:37    2339315

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Wouldn't be exposed much too the Sky pundits but Tomas O'Se up there in terms of RTE football pundits in my view.

For hurling probably Dalo, TJ Ryan off his podcast is gas while i think the recently retired Shane Dowling and Paul Murphy both could make a good go of the media.

Enjoy Shane Stapleton and Michael Verney too.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 29/04/2021 13:53:39    2339319

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