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Can We Bring Back The Red Thumbs To The Forum.

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Giving a thumbs down is not expressing an opinion, if someone feels strongly enough to give a thumbs down then I think they should get off the ditch and have their say, instead of hiding behind childish emojis."
Trying to manage and evaluate the green and red thumbs here is like trying to get in touch with the rules, regulator and editor of the Political Correctness booklet. The post with a green thumb may not be the post that I might give a green thumb to, likewise the post with a red thumb may get a green thumb from me, so it's all about opinion, nothing insensitive or set in stone about opinions as we are all entitled to our opinion. Here on hs we tend to color code our opinion with the use of red and green "thumbs", it could have brought the thumbs a step closer to "PC" in using two green thumbs one with the thumb pointing up, as in favor, and the other green thumb pointing down, as not in favor, so it's the thumb only that points the way, not the color, however red and green is more pronounced so I'll settle for that."
"nothing insensitive or set in stone about opinions as we are all entitled to our opinion"

I think you'll find the opposite is true actually, people are absolutely not entitled to publish every opinion they have without the risk of repercussions. I wouldn't have any thumbs at all, but I guess they suit either very vain or malicious people."]I don't think giving a green or red thumb is necessarily vain or malicious. Sometimes I will give a green thumb because I agree with what the person says, or it could be something I didn't consider or know. Likewise, I will give a red thumb if I disagree with what the person is saying or if I think they are wrong. Sometimes I will reply to a comment, but usually not if someone else has already replied saying pretty much what I would have said.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1571 - 11/04/2021 19:31:18    2336896

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "You've got an axe to grind with him, which has nothing to do with red or green thumbs. He, or you, are perfectly entitled to give your opinions on the 6 counties or what ever, but that is irrelevant to the topic at hand."
So you don't believe the popularity of a poster from previous posts has anything to do with the build up of red thumbs over time?

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2278 - 11/04/2021 19:37:09    2336899

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Replying To supersub15:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Giving a thumbs down is not expressing an opinion, if someone feels strongly enough to give a thumbs down then I think they should get off the ditch and have their say, instead of hiding behind childish emojis."
Trying to manage and evaluate the green and red thumbs here is like trying to get in touch with the rules, regulator and editor of the Political Correctness booklet. The post with a green thumb may not be the post that I might give a green thumb to, likewise the post with a red thumb may get a green thumb from me, so it's all about opinion, nothing insensitive or set in stone about opinions as we are all entitled to our opinion. Here on hs we tend to color code our opinion with the use of red and green "thumbs", it could have brought the thumbs a step closer to "PC" in using two green thumbs one with the thumb pointing up, as in favor, and the other green thumb pointing down, as not in favor, so it's the thumb only that points the way, not the color, however red and green is more pronounced so I'll settle for that."
"nothing insensitive or set in stone about opinions as we are all entitled to our opinion"

I think you'll find the opposite is true actually, people are absolutely not entitled to publish every opinion they have without the risk of repercussions. I wouldn't have any thumbs at all, but I guess they suit either very vain or malicious people."]Thanks in advance for allowing me to edit your post, it goes something like this. - - - " people are absolutely entitled to "post " every opinion they have with some small risk" - - the risk being, after the moderator scans the post he in his wisdom may or may not release the post for "publishing," - - - repercussions, doesn't come into play at any stage.

You wouldn't have any thumbs at all, - - That's ok, the choice.is yours.

I guess they suit either very vain or malicious people. - - - Guessing is not an option, you either know or you don't, your obviously are guessing again."]No no no, you will need to read my post again, I never said " people are absolutely entitled to "post " every opinion they have with some small risk" or anything remotely close to that. As you know well not all moderators in the world are wise men and there is plenty of lies, misinformation and libelous content which slips through the net every day of the week and when it's picked up there are repercussions, absolutely.

I'm sure you know "I guess" is another way of saying "I think" or "I believe", I guess I have just travelled too much. But if you say "Guessing is not an option, you either know or you don't, your obviously are guessing again." then we could also be petty and say "opinions" are also not an option, you either know the facts or you don't, but it's a petty route to travel.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 11/04/2021 19:44:59    2336900

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Can we get reasons why posts are not uploaded to the forum if you are going to keep the pre moderation?
Majority of other forums dont premoderate posts but when posts are edited or removed by site mods/admins you are given a reason.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2609 - 11/04/2021 20:28:55    2336909

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Christ lads, this isn't high school, if you're that concerned about your popularity, or otherwise, get on tiktok and find out for real :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 11/04/2021 20:31:52    2336910

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To supersub15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=supersub15:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Giving a thumbs down is not expressing an opinion, if someone feels strongly enough to give a thumbs down then I think they should get off the ditch and have their say, instead of hiding behind childish emojis."
Trying to manage and evaluate the green and red thumbs here is like trying to get in touch with the rules, regulator and editor of the Political Correctness booklet. The post with a green thumb may not be the post that I might give a green thumb to, likewise the post with a red thumb may get a green thumb from me, so it's all about opinion, nothing insensitive or set in stone about opinions as we are all entitled to our opinion. Here on hs we tend to color code our opinion with the use of red and green "thumbs", it could have brought the thumbs a step closer to "PC" in using two green thumbs one with the thumb pointing up, as in favor, and the other green thumb pointing down, as not in favor, so it's the thumb only that points the way, not the color, however red and green is more pronounced so I'll settle for that."
"nothing insensitive or set in stone about opinions as we are all entitled to our opinion"

I think you'll find the opposite is true actually, people are absolutely not entitled to publish every opinion they have without the risk of repercussions. I wouldn't have any thumbs at all, but I guess they suit either very vain or malicious people."]Thanks in advance for allowing me to edit your post, it goes something like this. - - - " people are absolutely entitled to "post " every opinion they have with some small risk" - - the risk being, after the moderator scans the post he in his wisdom may or may not release the post for "publishing," - - - repercussions, doesn't come into play at any stage.

You wouldn't have any thumbs at all, - - That's ok, the choice.is yours.

I guess they suit either very vain or malicious people. - - - Guessing is not an option, you either know or you don't, your obviously are guessing again."]No no no, you will need to read my post again, I never said " people are absolutely entitled to "post " every opinion they have with some small risk" or anything remotely close to that. As you know well not all moderators in the world are wise men and there is plenty of lies, misinformation and libelous content which slips through the net every day of the week and when it's picked up there are repercussions, absolutely.

I'm sure you know "I guess" is another way of saying "I think" or "I believe", I guess I have just travelled too much. But if you say "Guessing is not an option, you either know or you don't, your obviously are guessing again." then we could also be petty and say "opinions" are also not an option, you either know the facts or you don't, but it's a petty route to travel."]That's reasonable enough with me.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2510 - 11/04/2021 22:38:21    2336921

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "I put this up on the Limerick forum last week by mistake I asked for it to be moved to the national forum but it wasn't done, first world problems I suppose.

Anyway I think it's time for the red thumbs to be brought back to the forum, and im someone who has had probably 20 red thumbs to every 1 green thumb. I think it gives a better perspective on how a comment is received on a thread."
No.

Get rid of the green thumbs too. It's a forum where posters are free to post their opinions. At least it was one time before it was ruined by some posters who prefer to troll and other posters with multiple usernames or both without respecting others opinions even if you disagree with them. This red and green thumbs popularity index is a joke along with a lot of other nonsense in social media in 2021. I'd love to know how Hoganstand get any financial return from forums with a handful of posts per day. I don't think having a red thumb option is going to make a bit of difference.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6321 - 13/04/2021 17:24:27    2337089

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "No.

Get rid of the green thumbs too. It's a forum where posters are free to post their opinions. At least it was one time before it was ruined by some posters who prefer to troll and other posters with multiple usernames or both without respecting others opinions even if you disagree with them. This red and green thumbs popularity index is a joke along with a lot of other nonsense in social media in 2021. I'd love to know how Hoganstand get any financial return from forums with a handful of posts per day. I don't think having a red thumb option is going to make a bit of difference."
I think there needs to be a way to recognize good posts without posting and a like/+1/green thumb allows that.

Down rating/negatively rating posts isnt a good thing
No forums make any financial return anyway based simply on posts its ad revenue and if there was a better format and set up like most other forums ie modern with better features the site would get more visitors and more ad revenue

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2609 - 13/04/2021 19:51:18    2337100

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "No.

Get rid of the green thumbs too. It's a forum where posters are free to post their opinions. At least it was one time before it was ruined by some posters who prefer to troll and other posters with multiple usernames or both without respecting others opinions even if you disagree with them. This red and green thumbs popularity index is a joke along with a lot of other nonsense in social media in 2021. I'd love to know how Hoganstand get any financial return from forums with a handful of posts per day. I don't think having a red thumb option is going to make a bit of difference."
GreenandRed, Can I put you on the spot to ask you a straight forward question or two, In your opinion am I a troll here on the HS forum, also in your opinion do I use more than one username here, finally do I show appropriate respect to other posters re their posts.

Should you feel uncomfortable about replying I totally understand, feel free to say no comment or what suits you best.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2510 - 13/04/2021 20:38:41    2337106

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Why would you be opposed to red thumbs? It gives people the opportunity to express an opinion. If you are big enough to express an opinion should you not be big enough to accept people's opinions in relation to what you have to say?"
There should be no green thumbs either. Why does popularity or unpopularity matter? That's a facebook herd mentality.

Popularity was never a sure sign of a good idea. Some great ideas (such as proper nutrition and hydration, or inventing the wheel) are popular, some disastrous ideas (forward mark, Brexit) are also popular

I read what someone has to say and I make up my own mind. Like people, I take ideas as I find them, without worrying about anybody else's opinion. Whether it has lots of likes or lots of dislikes means very little to me - for all I know, all the likers, or all the dislikers, may be a bunch of clowns.

And a red thumb is a hurler on the ditch option.

Offering unexplained abuse, without being man enough to put your own opinions forward.

A red thumb isn't much of an opinion. If you disagree with someone, *just set out your reasons for disagreeing*, in a rational manner.

Listening to all this nonsense, you'd swear to God that people were deprived of an ability to reply to a post they disagree with, if they don't have their wee red thumbs.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1074 - 14/04/2021 09:26:57    2337135

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "No.

Get rid of the green thumbs too. It's a forum where posters are free to post their opinions. At least it was one time before it was ruined by some posters who prefer to troll and other posters with multiple usernames or both without respecting others opinions even if you disagree with them. This red and green thumbs popularity index is a joke along with a lot of other nonsense in social media in 2021. I'd love to know how Hoganstand get any financial return from forums with a handful of posts per day. I don't think having a red thumb option is going to make a bit of difference."
I have said already there should be no green thumbs if we have no reds thumbs. The comments sections took a whole new lease of life last year with the cancellation of sport, non-sport subjects were discussed alot, I thought myself the red thumbs would have given a better overall view of people's opinions that is all. As trolls and multiple usernames that is just the harsh reality of the downside of social media.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 1038 - 14/04/2021 09:50:29    2337137

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Replying To supersub15:  "GreenandRed, Can I put you on the spot to ask you a straight forward question or two, In your opinion am I a troll here on the HS forum, also in your opinion do I use more than one username here, finally do I show appropriate respect to other posters re their posts.

Should you feel uncomfortable about replying I totally understand, feel free to say no comment or what suits you best."
No bother. Your one of the fairest most repectful posters on here Supersub and a proud Carlow man and Supersub is your only username. Hope you and yours are keeping well.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6321 - 14/04/2021 10:52:24    2337150

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "I put this up on the Limerick forum last week by mistake I asked for it to be moved to the national forum but it wasn't done, first world problems I suppose.

Anyway I think it's time for the red thumbs to be brought back to the forum, and im someone who has had probably 20 red thumbs to every 1 green thumb. I think it gives a better perspective on how a comment is received on a thread."
is this part of the cancel culture I hear a lot about ? If we don't agree with someone's opinion then let the herd show its disdain and flame them ?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1037 - 14/04/2021 14:15:34    2337176

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Even though it's nice to get a green thumbs up on a post, I think they're ultimately a bad idea. There's a weird addiction to approval that can manifest quickly, even the most cynical can fall prey to it (its human nature).
And what can end up happening with green thumbs on posts, is that you starting posting opinions that will potentially play to the crowd, rather than post honest opinions. (wait, am I doing that now? I can't even tell anymore)

But on the flip side, one thing with red thumbs is that sometimes there's just no logical reply to a lousy post. When someone gives a nonsensical answer, or just keeps giving unqualified responses such as "I'm right, you're wrong, and thats that", or is just clearly trolling, replying is a waste of time. I can see why a red thumb is more desirable in such cases. But no engagement is probably better, so red thumbs are just a waste of time as well.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1819 - 14/04/2021 14:56:17    2337180

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As my fiercely proud Ulster granny used to say, you can't have a red hand without a red thumb. And how right she was. In fairness to her.

leitrimguy1985 (Leitrim) - Posts: 57 - 14/04/2021 15:11:26    2337182

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Thumbs/emojis should be taliored for each user. For example Ormo/KillingFields/Munstermaniac etc etc etc etc should have no green thumb option as he's never agreed with anyone. Actually his comment facility should be replaced by a red thumb entirely. It would save us all so much time.

Maybe no red thumb should be available for Royaldunne's posts as he clearly revels in it and seems to thrive off his own ignorance. Replace it with a yawn emoji or a roll eyes one.

I also think a limit of 1 like a day or something should be placed on the Yerra Mutual Appreciation Society. Throwing them around for your mates devalues it to irrelevance.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 11874 - 14/04/2021 15:57:40    2337189

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Thumbs/emojis should be taliored for each user. For example Ormo/KillingFields/Munstermaniac etc etc etc etc should have no green thumb option as he's never agreed with anyone. Actually his comment facility should be replaced by a red thumb entirely. It would save us all so much time.

Maybe no red thumb should be available for Royaldunne's posts as he clearly revels in it and seems to thrive off his own ignorance. Replace it with a yawn emoji or a roll eyes one.

I also think a limit of 1 like a day or something should be placed on the Yerra Mutual Appreciation Society. Throwing them around for your mates devalues it to irrelevance."
I have regularly agreed with people and always am using the green thumb option

A like button should be in place but no dislike. if you only want to say something negative then say it otherwise leave it

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2609 - 14/04/2021 16:54:23    2337203

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"I also think a limit of 1 like a day or something should be placed on the Yerra Mutual Appreciation Society. Throwing them around for your mates devalues it to irrelevance."

= Green thumb

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20342 - 14/04/2021 17:09:15    2337205

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "No bother. Your one of the fairest most repectful posters on here Supersub and a proud Carlow man and Supersub is your only username. Hope you and yours are keeping well."
GreenandRed, apologies again for putting you on the spot and thank you so much for your valued analysis / opinion, very much appreciated believe me especially coming from a much respected Mayo Man.

Can I wish you and all close to you the best of good health from here on in, also good luck to you and your beloved Mayo forever.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2510 - 14/04/2021 17:54:55    2337212

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Replying To leitrimguy1985:  "As my fiercely proud Ulster granny used to say, you can't have a red hand without a red thumb. And how right she was. In fairness to her."
That was amusing. Have a green thumb :)

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1514 - 14/04/2021 18:13:17    2337213

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