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Does Anyone Actually Want A 4X8 Regional Structure To Replace Counties Only Playing In Their Home Province?

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Replying To KillingFields:  "There's a lot of people with duplicate accounts alright. up to the moderators to do something about that.

Update the forum and you may get a boost of new members who wont join with place as it currently looks.
site badly needs new voices"
How do you know "There's a lot of people with duplicate accounts"? Name a few.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1238 - 27/01/2021 13:48:58    2329156

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "How do you know "There's a lot of people with duplicate accounts"? Name a few."
To be fair it's as clear as day. The ironically named TheUsername being onr of the prime suspects of it.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 525 - 27/01/2021 14:17:25    2329162

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This is always suggested as being the answer. But why do people think it would make a difference?

In reality you're still going to end up with the same teams in the latter stages. Why do people think having groups like this will all of a sudden change things? Are the likes of Carlow or Longford going to start qualifying for All-ireland finals because of it?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 525 - 27/01/2021 14:20:35    2329163

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Replying To realdub:  "Too many duplicate accounts would render polls inaccurate."
How do ye know there's duplicate accounts? Serious question.

thegadfly (Cavan) - Posts: 183 - 27/01/2021 17:07:19    2329185

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "How do you know "There's a lot of people with duplicate accounts"? Name a few."
You'd want to be seriously bored and sad if you were to bother with duplicate accounts...

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1070 - 27/01/2021 17:35:37    2329194

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Replying To perfect10:  "why not?
why not try it for 3 years,i hate that gaa people are so constantly opposed to trying anything different,or experimenting,with the status quo.
the gaa fell onto a hurling format gold mine a few years ago as a reaction to the football championship changing.
nothing should be sacred when we are trying to improve our games,and the product for our games.

an aversion to change has hamstrung the gaa for years.never be afraid to try and be a maverick for a few years,change can be undone with the stroke of a pen."
I'm all for change. This is clearly a change that doesn't fix anything though. It's not just the numbers being off that causes problems, it's that there's serious difference in the quality between and within provinces.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3296 - 27/01/2021 17:42:13    2329197

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Replying To oneoff:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "How do you know "There's a lot of people with duplicate accounts"? Name a few."
To be fair it's as clear as day. The ironically named TheUsername being onr of the prime suspects of it."
If "it's as clear as day", what are TheUsername's other account names?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1238 - 27/01/2021 18:13:29    2329199

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Replying To thegadfly:  "How do ye know there's duplicate accounts? Serious question."
I found it hard to believe too, but posters on here brought my attention to it, and looking around me it doesn't take a brain surgeon to spot them, that's all I can say. Makes you wonder about the mentality of these people.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7945 - 27/01/2021 20:18:52    2329221

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Replying To Whammo86:  "I'm all for change. This is clearly a change that doesn't fix anything though. It's not just the numbers being off that causes problems, it's that there's serious difference in the quality between and within provinces."
at very least it is something different.doing it regionally is pointless,why not have an open draw?
i can imagine wexford welcoming kerry to wexford park generating a bit of excitement,rather than a season opener v carlow and then kildare and the winners play dublin in the final.
of course it wont fix the competitive side of things,but sometimes something different can have unintended consequences.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 29/01/2021 12:09:12    2329516

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Replying To oneoff:  "This is always suggested as being the answer. But why do people think it would make a difference?

In reality you're still going to end up with the same teams in the latter stages. Why do people think having groups like this will all of a sudden change things? Are the likes of Carlow or Longford going to start qualifying for All-ireland finals because of it?"
Theyre not going to be qualifying for all ireland finals regardless of the structure but teams need more games in the main competition of the year or at least deserve a better season structure.
How many sports do similar to the GAA?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2157 - 29/01/2021 12:17:03    2329517

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Theyre not going to be qualifying for all ireland finals regardless of the structure but teams need more games in the main competition of the year or at least deserve a better season structure.
How many sports do similar to the GAA?"
My view is to leave the Provincials alone but take them out of the AI series.

Then for Championship have 8 groups of 4 with one team from each League division is each Group. All Division 4 teams get 3 home games, Div 3 teams two home games, Div 2 team 1 home game and Div 1 play all away. Play 3 weekends in a row so there is no advantages for any county.

League position becomes much more important.

Ok there will be lots of heavy defeats (but no worse than now) but each team will have at least one game they can target to win.

Top 2 go into last 16 played on knockout basis - week break between each knockout game.

Bottom 2 drop into secondary cup which will be played alongside AI - same weekends.

Eleven weeks from first group game to AI & Secondary final.

Every county gets at least 4 Championship intensity games every year thus improving across the board. No excuses for any county.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 488 - 29/01/2021 13:04:27    2329530

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Replying To opa01:  "My view is to leave the Provincials alone but take them out of the AI series.

Then for Championship have 8 groups of 4 with one team from each League division is each Group. All Division 4 teams get 3 home games, Div 3 teams two home games, Div 2 team 1 home game and Div 1 play all away. Play 3 weekends in a row so there is no advantages for any county.

League position becomes much more important.

Ok there will be lots of heavy defeats (but no worse than now) but each team will have at least one game they can target to win.

Top 2 go into last 16 played on knockout basis - week break between each knockout game.

Bottom 2 drop into secondary cup which will be played alongside AI - same weekends.

Eleven weeks from first group game to AI & Secondary final.

Every county gets at least 4 Championship intensity games every year thus improving across the board. No excuses for any county."
The breakdown of home games based on league positioning is a good suggestion, but how exactly is that format going to improve standards & get more teams competing at the top end?

If that format was in place for 2021, of the 8 groups, only the one with Mayo would offer a heavyweights clash in the group stage. It suits division 1 teams who can taper up for the latter stages of the championship.

A 2nd Tier championship won't have the same value if it doesn't offer a promotion of sorts to play in the 1st tier. Also if a big team were to suffer a shock & fall into the 2nd tier on a given year, you could find players withdrawing, given it wouldn't effect their status for the following year.

Manners5 (Westmeath) - Posts: 16 - 29/01/2021 22:26:24    2329637

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Replying To opa01:  "My view is to leave the Provincials alone but take them out of the AI series.

Then for Championship have 8 groups of 4 with one team from each League division is each Group. All Division 4 teams get 3 home games, Div 3 teams two home games, Div 2 team 1 home game and Div 1 play all away. Play 3 weekends in a row so there is no advantages for any county.

League position becomes much more important.

Ok there will be lots of heavy defeats (but no worse than now) but each team will have at least one game they can target to win.

Top 2 go into last 16 played on knockout basis - week break between each knockout game.

Bottom 2 drop into secondary cup which will be played alongside AI - same weekends.

Eleven weeks from first group game to AI & Secondary final.

Every county gets at least 4 Championship intensity games every year thus improving across the board. No excuses for any county."
This is a common format suggested. I guess my big problem with is: What's the point of the second tier competition?

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3296 - 30/01/2021 08:00:18    2329648

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No

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 864 - 30/01/2021 09:54:20    2329652

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Replying To thegadfly:  "How do ye know there's duplicate accounts? Serious question."
I would say no one knows for certain only administration but many on here are convinced there are duplicate accounts.Most of the views seem to come from a constant sniping between a few Kerry and Dublin posters. I notice then if a poster agrees with either side they are accused of being a duplicate account. There s a childish attitude with some saying stuff like other counties agree with me. I've been reading hoganstand for years (although I only joined last year) and I often was of the opinion some are using false accounts.It's sad if they feel the need to do that. The people that are being accused are probably the innocent ones as from my experience in life its the people one least suspects are the culprits most of the time. The posters that have the balls to speak their minds (whether we agree with their points or not) more than likely have only one account. Again of course that's just my opinion

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 1611 - 30/01/2021 10:53:44    2329664

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For me I would have a round Robin style in ulster counaght munster everyone played each other once top 2 play the final and represent the province leinster 2 groups who all play each other once winner of each group plays the final.

Let's not forget the back door was brought in to give more games in the championship. This would do that and the more often you play the stronger teams the stronger you will get.

ulsterrules (Donegal) - Posts: 234 - 30/01/2021 11:19:11    2329670

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yes, i fancy our chances v kerry in the football

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 1982 - 30/01/2021 12:02:14    2329680

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Replying To perfect10:  "at very least it is something different.doing it regionally is pointless,why not have an open draw?
i can imagine wexford welcoming kerry to wexford park generating a bit of excitement,rather than a season opener v carlow and then kildare and the winners play dublin in the final.
of course it wont fix the competitive side of things,but sometimes something different can have unintended consequences."
Yeah there definitely needs to be change. I just wouldn't get the point of removing the traditional provincials only to replace them with something that has many of the same problems.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3296 - 30/01/2021 13:14:53    2329699

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Replying To ulsterrules:  "For me I would have a round Robin style in ulster counaght munster everyone played each other once top 2 play the final and represent the province leinster 2 groups who all play each other once winner of each group plays the final.

Let's not forget the back door was brought in to give more games in the championship. This would do that and the more often you play the stronger teams the stronger you will get."
A lot of teams will be out of the running after 2 or 3 games though. Games for games sake aren't really going to bring teams on.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3296 - 30/01/2021 14:18:31    2329705

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Replying To Whammo86:  "A lot of teams will be out of the running after 2 or 3 games though. Games for games sake aren't really going to bring teams on."
Far too many in GAA dismiss changing all ireland competitions to group based competitions because of a fear of a tiny number of games possibly being dead rubbers. It would only be a tiny number of games. So what.
if you play more and play more against better sides and sides of your own level you will improve.

munstermaniac71 (Galway) - Posts: 15 - 30/01/2021 14:59:46    2329712

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