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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q23yPOOik7U&t=639s hopballref (Galway) - Posts: 375 - 14/01/2021 15:33:27 2327410 Link 0 |
Would agree 100% with you, Saynothing. Structure would work as you said. But as you have top 16 knock-out for All Ireland c/ship I would have bottom 16 play knock out in Tailteann Cup. novalis (Carlow) - Posts: 312 - 14/01/2021 17:40:31 2327438 Link 0 |
Other sports don't have intercounty and club to try to fit in. Cup competitions aren't great for the development of weaker counties, they'll on average play decently fewer games than the top teams. The 2nd and 3rd competitions are often not treated with much respect by the participants. Look at the Pro 14 in rugby or the FA Cup in soccer. Just go with 1 competition or at most 2 as say the provincial competitions could be played as season openers. Get every team then playing a strong program of games in the main competition though. Really with the new calendar proposal and late July being the end of the intercounty season it's tough to run a strong main competition and then 2 cups which between them will take 9 weekends to run off and plenty of teams only playing in 2 of those weekends. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 14/01/2021 17:42:00 2327439 Link 10 |
I don't like reshuffling of Provincials as an idea. If you keep them it should just be on traditional lines or just scrap them. Why is the second tier Tailteann cup competition something that teams would want to compete for? I'd like a system where there were more matches between the top teams in the main competition. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 14/01/2021 17:51:44 2327442 Link 10 |
I always think about what would we do if the GAA were just starting today, how would we organise our competition. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 14/01/2021 17:56:02 2327445 Link 10 |
If the provenical championships dosent mean anything to anyone why was cavan and tipperary players management teams jumping around and crying like they won the all Ireland?? And the same as Roscommon when they won it in 17 and 19 prity sure it meant a lot to a lot of the mayo players to win their first provincial title a few weeks back? And for 95 percent of players management teams from counties across the country they would be the same as tipperary and cavan at the final whistle if they were to win a provincial title Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 14/01/2021 19:30:29 2327461 Link 2 |
I dont see that it would just be split into 2 leagues of 16. If you look to england and sport there nearly all teams at all levels across multiple sports compete in 2-3 competitions in their sporting year soccer has premiership, fa cup, league cup and then europe for qualifiers english rugby sides have league, premiership cup and europe Provincial competitions are far from a bygone era and if they were kept with a better league/main competition it could really boost some counties You do need to modernise structures but that doesnt mean you have to get rid of some of your biggest strengths. more than enough room in a year to keep provincial competitions if you streamline even more the season. Compare the 2017 and 2018 Munster hurling championships and the time between the first game and the final in each year and the number of games played in that time frame. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3480 - 14/01/2021 19:33:27 2327462 Link 0 |
Good point about the B championship. Also all neutral venues. You could see a few Div 3 or Div 4 teams slipping into last 16 of main championship.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1997 - 14/01/2021 21:54:57 2327482 Link 2 |
How about this - omahant (USA) - Posts: 2535 - 15/01/2021 01:19:10 2327502 Link 0 |
They are a legacy of a bygone era. It's not to say that the don't still have a place because they do still have a tradition that's been built up from over 100 years of competition. The English FA Cup is exactly what you wouldn't want to happen to them, where they're seen as an inconvenience to the other more important competitions. I don't know how you square the circle here of keeping them but keeping them important but also of facilitating an All Ireland competition that is fair and provides growth opportunity for all counties. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4172 - 15/01/2021 05:54:21 2327503 Link 10 |
All I can say is I like the Ulster championship. When the back door was brought in I felt it diluted the hounour of representing the province as champs in the all Ireland semis, but I accepted it. If the All Ireland is restructured completely then I'll accept that too, but I'd rather retain the Anglo Celt and scrap the McKenna cup, leaving just 1 provincial, stand alone, knock-out tournament. Coming from Down this would be something to play for every year. Other provinces could do whatever they like and in the end every county plays a league campaign as normal or they enter some new all Ireland competition or hybrid league/championship. Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1550 - 15/01/2021 12:26:05 2327541 Link 0 |
I may have misunderstood the OP and their objection in the first place. That's a surprise to me that the Tipp manager wants Munster axed. How do supporters feel about it down below? What are the biggest issues with the provincials? Is it that they are uncompetitive/too predictable? Is it the unbalanced nature of it, e.g. 9 teams in Ulster but only 5 in Connaught? Is it the old county boundaries being unfair? Can the county boundaries be merged/rejigged altogether? As I said before I like the Ulster championship but if it goes and something new is tried, I'll accept it. That is, if the new product is what the fans want and club level is protected. Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1550 - 15/01/2021 12:45:12 2327545 Link 0 |
Yes surprising that he would say it after Tipp ending a long wait. He wants a champions league style group stages, which has been talked plenty before and might be rte way to go. FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2752 - 15/01/2021 12:52:20 2327547 Link 0 |
The idea of a champions league format is exciting but after a couple of years the novelty of it will wear off and suddenly an away game miles down the country won't seem so appealing. The division one teams will still hammer the living daylights out of the rest bar the odd shock. Worse again, teams who are out after 2 games have nothing to play for in the final round. As seen in the super 8s, league formats take the complete edge out of championship football. League is league championship is championship. 97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 306 - 15/01/2021 13:42:07 2327563 Link 0 |
To 97Cavans - would my Prov QF rotation above freshen the Provs up ? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2535 - 15/01/2021 18:58:07 2327622 Link 0 |
That isnt whats needed. If you keep the provinces then only have the sides from those provinces competing with the exceptions in hurling in ulster counties/galway KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3480 - 15/01/2021 19:06:59 2327624 Link 0 |
Why bother? The great thing about the provincial championships is about playing and beating local rivals. Only provinces that have sides from elsewhere are Leinster hurling who have Galway, Antrim who are miles better than opposition in their own province and Ulster and Connacht with the overseas sides. Change the main competition format but dont add/rotate the provincial competitions If you go down that line you may as well get rid of them and have 4 random groups of 8 that rotate every few years and nobody wants that KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3480 - 15/01/2021 19:19:28 2327629 Link 0 |
Scrap the provincials at your will, however, not all counties are going to even have a remote chance of winning the All Ireland, once in a life time a team might come and win one from no where but that is extremely remote...I like the provincials as, like this year, Tipp actually won something of note, and not a Tommy Murphy cup or something else that no one will remember in 10 years time (absolutely no disrespect to the Tommy Murphy or his equals)..my own Offaly and and Louth, and Wexford have some hope of winning a Leinster if they get a team of some sort, win the all Ireland???..I would love to see the traditional format of National Hurling League and football league return to the format of the 1980s..but condense it to a shorter time and have your league final on Patricks day etc..some great games when it was taken seriously..only a pre season now for a drawn out complicated championship for which most teams havent a hope of winning... Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 15/01/2021 22:53:22 2327661 Link 0 |
The provincials need to be retained to give Manners5 (Westmeath) - Posts: 20 - 15/01/2021 23:05:20 2327664 Link 1 |
The provincials need to be retained to give Manners5 (Westmeath) - Posts: 20 - 15/01/2021 23:05:38 2327665 Link 0 |