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Replying To TheUsername:  "That is a very disingenuous post. You do know Dublin clubs stump up 50% and the DCB the other 50% of the cost of employing all of the above. Do any other clubs in Leinster contribute to the cost?

You also make no reference to the east Leinster project, do you want to tell us how the significant funds of the project have been applied?"
I do know that. Still doesn't change the reality. The East Leinster Project is ten years too late.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 595 - 22/11/2020 15:58:06    2312850

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Replying To daytona11:  "We can only look on in envy at the Munster win for Tipp today. They actually have something attainable to aim for.

The pick of Tipp and Cork wouldn't touch the dubs either though. In essence that means Kerry wouldn't because Cork are better than them. LOL."
That was a one off in a freak year. I do think Kerry will win more than 2 All Ireland's this decade.

Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 3799 - 22/11/2020 16:00:39    2312853

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The Leinster football Championship is dead in the water for a number of years.Its up to to GAA to have a meaningful competition in Leinster.I don't have the answer but surely there must be some way that we can have a proper competitive Championship in Leinster.The problem is that Dublin are streets ahead of all other counties in the province.Is there a point in continuing the Leinster football championship as it is at the moment.I believe it only damages players from the other Leinster counties when they suffer such defeats at the hands of Dublin.
Is there a reason for this inequality in other county players ability in comparison to Dublin,if there is can it be put right and can it lead to a competitive Leinster championship.
Would it be feasible to play a Leinster championship without Dublin.Could the Leinster championship be played separately to the AI championship and omitting Dublin.
Perhaps play the AI championship on a super 8 basis only,not many more counties have a realistic chance of winning the AI football championship.There must be a way that the Leinster championship could be saved.Of course the easy answer is for other Leinster teams to up their game and reach the level of Dublin.I don't believe this is possible.
What do posters think,should it be left alone,should the GAA do something,any ideas?

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 22/11/2020 16:02:55    2312856

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Replying To jimbodub:  "He/she certainly come across like that alright.

Of course Dublin weren't operating at 50%

Ludicrous stuff...

It took everything to pip Mayo, nothing less.

Absolute titanic battles and it's not right to see Mayo's efforts purposely belittled like that just because the OP wants to twist it all for a certain agenda/narrative"
There is no agenda. Just because people are getting fed up of the rubbish product that football has become and correctly calling out the culpability of the GAA and Leinster council in this. Football is unwatchable, and all counties that come up against the PSG of Gaelic football are beaten before the throw in, not just Leinster counties. Nobody will be within 12 points of Dublin this year.

Dublin are victims in this too Jimbo. An unbelievably talented team will never get the recognition their effort deserves because an unfair competition is meaningless. Dublin fans can delude themselves all they want.

Daith (Kildare) - Posts: 1171 - 22/11/2020 16:04:00    2312858

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I do know that. Still doesn't change the reality. The East Leinster Project is ten years too late."
What is the East Leinster project?

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 22/11/2020 16:09:36    2312862

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I do know that. Still doesn't change the reality. The East Leinster Project is ten years too late."
Of course it does, if Kildare clubs pay 50% for GDO , GPO & GDA's and the county board the remainder then Kildare will have more of both and have them going and creating a Synergy between school and clubs at grassroots like Dublin developed. But it won't happen, will I tell you, appointments like Jack O Connor, vanity projects like hawk field and building corporate seating in Newbridge. You can go through each Leinster county and find the same thing to different and variant degrees. Then the east Leinster project to help those counties compete, Leinster counties are lucky anyway to be in the same province of a financial juggernaught in Dublin, but still over enabled beyond other counties like Monaghan, Mayo, Roscommon etc with additional funding through the east Leinster project.

So what's your solution for the GAA to provide all those counties with GDOs GDA, & GPOs that Dublin pay for themselves, yeah, no.

If I was the GAA I'd be root and branching were the money goes in Leinster counties, because significant money is going in for little return, bar what you see at grassroots in Dublin.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4273 - 22/11/2020 16:38:03    2312880

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Replying To lilylanger:  "What is the East Leinster project?"
GAA are investing an extra 1.5 million for games development in the Dublin commuter counties (Louth, Meath, Kildare, Wexford, Wicklow, and Laois) to cater for population growth in urban areas.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 595 - 22/11/2020 16:40:10    2312881

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Of course it does, if Kildare clubs pay 50% for GDO , GPO & GDA's and the county board the remainder then Kildare will have more of both and have them going and creating a Synergy between school and clubs at grassroots like Dublin developed. But it won't happen, will I tell you, appointments like Jack O Connor, vanity projects like hawk field and building corporate seating in Newbridge. You can go through each Leinster county and find the same thing to different and variant degrees. Then the east Leinster project to help those counties compete, Leinster counties are lucky anyway to be in the same province of a financial juggernaught in Dublin, but still over enabled beyond other counties like Monaghan, Mayo, Roscommon etc with additional funding through the east Leinster project.

So what's your solution for the GAA to provide all those counties with GDOs GDA, & GPOs that Dublin pay for themselves, yeah, no.

If I was the GAA I'd be root and branching were the money goes in Leinster counties, because significant money is going in for little return, bar what you see at grassroots in Dublin."
Why are you acting like I was attacking Dublin? The GAA themselves said the Dublin model is a blueprint for all counties. All I said was this needs to be rolled out to every county with funding from CC. Dublin don't pay for everything themselves. They receive funding from the GAA. The bigger clubs do pay for their own second GDA. Obviously the other counties will need to do the same and I never suggested otherwise.

You need to take a chill pill.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 595 - 22/11/2020 16:52:13    2312896

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Split Dublin in to the 4 council areas. They would still have the 4 biggest counties in Leinster.

skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 187 - 22/11/2020 17:14:54    2312917

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Of course it does, if Kildare clubs pay 50% for GDO , GPO & GDA's and the county board the remainder then Kildare will have more of both and have them going and creating a Synergy between school and clubs at grassroots like Dublin developed. But it won't happen, will I tell you, appointments like Jack O Connor, vanity projects like hawk field and building corporate seating in Newbridge. You can go through each Leinster county and find the same thing to different and variant degrees. Then the east Leinster project to help those counties compete, Leinster counties are lucky anyway to be in the same province of a financial juggernaught in Dublin, but still over enabled beyond other counties like Monaghan, Mayo, Roscommon etc with additional funding through the east Leinster project.

So what's your solution for the GAA to provide all those counties with GDOs GDA, & GPOs that Dublin pay for themselves, yeah, no.

If I was the GAA I'd be root and branching were the money goes in Leinster counties, because significant money is going in for little return, bar what you see at grassroots in Dublin."
You're normally a good poster but the amount of preaching from dub$ on here about what counties should be doing is more sickening than the match last night.
Making improvements to your county ground probably isn't that important when you're handed an 80000 seater stadium for home games.
The dub$ players are in a strange position. Their so-called achievements are actually just a symptom of the greater issue which is that the GAA have destroyed the championship. If people on here think they are also due some reflected glory from it then it's a free country I suppose. Wouldn't be my thing.
The standout performers for the dub$ in the modern era are the likes of John Costello and Andy kettle. They fought hard to secure money and in fairness used it wisely.
As another poster said the east Leinster project has come too late to make any difference. Although I do acknowledge that from my experience in Meath the funding is a waste of time as the structures in place here are ridiculous. That's where full time co board officials make a massive difference.

Greenfield (Meath) - Posts: 469 - 22/11/2020 17:15:13    2312919

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Why are you acting like I was attacking Dublin? The GAA themselves said the Dublin model is a blueprint for all counties. All I said was this needs to be rolled out to every county with funding from CC. Dublin don't pay for everything themselves. They receive funding from the GAA. The bigger clubs do pay for their own second GDA. Obviously the other counties will need to do the same and I never suggested otherwise.

You need to take a chill pill."
They don't as it goes the funding comes from the ISC for juvenile games development in Dublin. The GAA can't afford to fund Dublin population pro rata as it does other counties for games development. Dublin take approx 200k out GAA coffers.

Is it not unfair if the Dublin blue print is rolled out elsewhere and is 50% funded by Dublin clubs, but funded by CC elsewhere.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4273 - 22/11/2020 17:16:30    2312922

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Now we will see how the best in Ulster fares against Dublin

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 712 - 22/11/2020 17:41:56    2312968

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Of course it does, if Kildare clubs pay 50% for GDO , GPO & GDA's and the county board the remainder then Kildare will have more of both and have them going and creating a Synergy between school and clubs at grassroots like Dublin developed. But it won't happen, will I tell you, appointments like Jack O Connor, vanity projects like hawk field and building corporate seating in Newbridge. You can go through each Leinster county and find the same thing to different and variant degrees. Then the east Leinster project to help those counties compete, Leinster counties are lucky anyway to be in the same province of a financial juggernaught in Dublin, but still over enabled beyond other counties like Monaghan, Mayo, Roscommon etc with additional funding through the east Leinster project.

So what's your solution for the GAA to provide all those counties with GDOs GDA, & GPOs that Dublin pay for themselves, yeah, no.

If I was the GAA I'd be root and branching were the money goes in Leinster counties, because significant money is going in for little return, bar what you see at grassroots in Dublin."
Lots of rugby clubs countrywide with much smaller membership numbers etc than gaa clubs in Kildare, Meath etc can afford to pay for development officers then these gaa clubs can. Dublin have got more than their fair share of assistance but the Meaths, Kildare's etc need to just start doing more to help themselves rather than whinge.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 22/11/2020 17:45:24    2312979

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Colm orourke just made a comment about Cavan

" If you work hard for it you can get it"

Apart from Leinster Colm.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4006 - 22/11/2020 17:45:35    2312980

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Replying To daytona11:  "Colm orourke just made a comment about Cavan

" If you work hard for it you can get it"

Apart from Leinster Colm."
He was fairly scathing of Meath. Never seen him go in like that before on his own county. Shows how disgraceful our performance was.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1193 - 22/11/2020 17:48:38    2312990

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Lots of rugby clubs countrywide with much smaller membership numbers etc than gaa clubs in Kildare, Meath etc can afford to pay for development officers then these gaa clubs can. Dublin have got more than their fair share of assistance but the Meaths, Kildare's etc need to just start doing more to help themselves rather than whinge."
Its no longer attainable to win a Leinster Football Championship.

As i have said put Meath in Connaught next year and Kildare in Munster. Give us a fair shot of winning something.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4006 - 22/11/2020 17:49:55    2312993

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Replying To TheUsername:  "They don't as it goes the funding comes from the ISC for juvenile games development in Dublin. The GAA can't afford to fund Dublin population pro rata as it does other counties for games development. Dublin take approx 200k out GAA coffers.

Is it not unfair if the Dublin blue print is rolled out elsewhere and is 50% funded by Dublin clubs, but funded by CC elsewhere."
Dublin do receive funding from the GAA.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 595 - 22/11/2020 17:50:07    2312996

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Connacht: first in 5 years
Ulster: first in 23 years
Munster: first in 85 years
Leinster: 10 in a row

Says a lot...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2729 - 22/11/2020 17:51:15    2313004

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Lots of rugby clubs countrywide with much smaller membership numbers etc than gaa clubs in Kildare, Meath etc can afford to pay for development officers then these gaa clubs can. Dublin have got more than their fair share of assistance but the Meaths, Kildare's etc need to just start doing more to help themselves rather than whinge."
I'd say something if they were losing to Dublin but tearing it up in the qualifiers but even if Dublin were knocked out early not a hope any Leinster team is winning Sam

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1236 - 22/11/2020 17:52:16    2313006

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Meath and Kildare are two huge counties population wise. They are far bigger than Mayo or Kerry. So there is a huge chance imho for them to do well. They have the numbers, and especially in Kildare- the money.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2315 - 22/11/2020 17:56:12    2313018

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