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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not plain lies though and any rugby follower would know this if they like to admit it or not. Look at the RFU and Welsh Rugby Union's 4 year cycle plan. It's a very well spoken about; these unions tend to move players on after a world cup and only keep a coach if they're committing to the 4 years. Their coaches don't hide the fact they're trying new systems and players with thd ultimate aim of preparing for the world cup. Those unions as well as France have a very clear policy which shows in the results at WC's compared to ourselves; yes there is one or two WC's they underachieve but not often. Ireland's policy on the other hand is building up huge momentum in the 6 nations to grow the game and increase revenue. NZ even laughed during interviews at the WC about Ireland beating them in glorified friendlies whilst they were in transition. Look at the result when NZ were at peak. I love rugby but Irish rugby is a farce and a tad embarssing when we talk about being number 1 and winning world cups. We benefit from the transitional period; even the 6 nations in WC year we tend to be awful; all a farce sorry.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 638 - 21/10/2020 20:30:56
except there is huge examples of welsh and english keeping players on just like the irish. like 99 with the english and 07/11 with welsh...
calling irish rugby a farce is just childish and immature. calling the tests we beat new zealand glorified friendlies is nonsense. Theyre the top level of the sport. before the world cup, which there has only been 9, they were only chance to play these sides. The Kiwis werent in transition in those games."
It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.

Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.

This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.

I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.

The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 740 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34    2300372

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Replying To brisbane:  "England game against the Barbarians at Twickenham has been plunged into doubt after the Rugby Football Union revealed several Baa-baas players breached coronavirus protocols.

The RFU claims an unknown number of players left the team hotel without permission or informing organisers of their whereabouts on Wednesday evening.

https://www.the42.ie/barbarians-england-doubt-coronavirus-breach-5241960-Oct2020/"
What relevance does that have to what the IRFU are doing?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1891 - 22/10/2020 21:31:36    2300373

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It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1891 - 22/10/2020 22:15:15    2300382

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Killingfields reminds me very much of an old poster going by a different name who loved involving rugby in his posts at every opportunity until everyone on here got sick of him and he left as nobody would interact with him. Is he back I wonder?

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1636 - 22/10/2020 22:54:32    2300396

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Replying To Crinigan:  "
Replying To Leftpeg1:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "It's not plain lies though and any rugby follower would know this if they like to admit it or not. Look at the RFU and Welsh Rugby Union's 4 year cycle plan. It's a very well spoken about; these unions tend to move players on after a world cup and only keep a coach if they're committing to the 4 years. Their coaches don't hide the fact they're trying new systems and players with thd ultimate aim of preparing for the world cup. Those unions as well as France have a very clear policy which shows in the results at WC's compared to ourselves; yes there is one or two WC's they underachieve but not often. Ireland's policy on the other hand is building up huge momentum in the 6 nations to grow the game and increase revenue. NZ even laughed during interviews at the WC about Ireland beating them in glorified friendlies whilst they were in transition. Look at the result when NZ were at peak. I love rugby but Irish rugby is a farce and a tad embarssing when we talk about being number 1 and winning world cups. We benefit from the transitional period; even the 6 nations in WC year we tend to be awful; all a farce sorry.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 638 - 21/10/2020 20:30:56
except there is huge examples of welsh and english keeping players on just like the irish. like 99 with the english and 07/11 with welsh...
calling irish rugby a farce is just childish and immature. calling the tests we beat new zealand glorified friendlies is nonsense. Theyre the top level of the sport. before the world cup, which there has only been 9, they were only chance to play these sides. The Kiwis werent in transition in those games."
You're right KillingFields the Kiwis weren't in transitions....they were just missing 7 or 8 of their first team and the players that were playing were exhausted after a long club season. Realistically they were on a holiday for for a pi** up! But ye, Ireland world no.1!!"
And they made a dvd about the victory!!!"]CTI Ivan, they wrote songs, books and a play about Munster's win over The All Blacks in 1978. They're still talking about it. The 42nd anniversary is on Saturday week. Cue the annual retrospectives.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5214 - 22/10/2020 23:33:52    2300400

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false."
Good team but ultimately failed when most needed, that is us in a nutshell.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1362 - 23/10/2020 00:16:29    2300404

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false."
The idiots who came up with that phrase actually believe it.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 23/10/2020 04:35:44    2300406

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Replying To sam1884:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not plain lies though and any rugby follower would know this if they like to admit it or not. Look at the RFU and Welsh Rugby Union's 4 year cycle plan. It's a very well spoken about; these unions tend to move players on after a world cup and only keep a coach if they're committing to the 4 years. Their coaches don't hide the fact they're trying new systems and players with thd ultimate aim of preparing for the world cup. Those unions as well as France have a very clear policy which shows in the results at WC's compared to ourselves; yes there is one or two WC's they underachieve but not often. Ireland's policy on the other hand is building up huge momentum in the 6 nations to grow the game and increase revenue. NZ even laughed during interviews at the WC about Ireland beating them in glorified friendlies whilst they were in transition. Look at the result when NZ were at peak. I love rugby but Irish rugby is a farce and a tad embarssing when we talk about being number 1 and winning world cups. We benefit from the transitional period; even the 6 nations in WC year we tend to be awful; all a farce sorry.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 638 - 21/10/2020 20:30:56
except there is huge examples of welsh and english keeping players on just like the irish. like 99 with the english and 07/11 with welsh...
calling irish rugby a farce is just childish and immature. calling the tests we beat new zealand glorified friendlies is nonsense. Theyre the top level of the sport. before the world cup, which there has only been 9, they were only chance to play these sides. The Kiwis werent in transition in those games."
It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.

Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.

This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.

I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.

The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail."
National soccer team. Most people couldn't care less about the League of Ireland. GAA has made huge inroads in traditional soccer and rugby areas.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 23/10/2020 04:40:13    2300407

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false."
What does world class mean in rugby? Every team in a sport where only 5, max 8 teams in the world compete must be deemed world class by the very definition of world class, no?

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 983 - 23/10/2020 07:17:16    2300410

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Replying To Greengrass:  "It's their job. They are contractually bound and are paid to play. They use that money to provide for their families. They're in a difficult position if they are uncomfortable about playing."
Indeed they are professional. And have a far better chance of being in a position to isolate and avoid contacts between games. That is one of the points I made.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6947 - 23/10/2020 07:32:04    2300411

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As predicted the thread is now full of petty comments about how silly rugby is.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6947 - 23/10/2020 07:36:15    2300412

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false."
So how many world cups have they won??? Only about 9 teams across the world take it seriously so even if you are too four that is effectively in the top 50% no more

It is the most over hyped game on this island driven by a media frenzy....Soccer is truly global in comparison so I understand the hype when Ireland qualify for the World Cup compared to Rugby......

ArmaghCat (Armagh) - Posts: 73 - 23/10/2020 08:50:33    2300416

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false."
I don't think GAA or soccer people get annoyed by the "people's sport comment" We laugh it off as not true as we know our sports inside out and we're aware of our strengths and weaknesses as well as realities. Soccer people know the problems with the sport in this country and join the conversation to solve the issues; even with a sense of humour. What GAA and soccer don't like is the relentless rugby narrative to bash their sports whilst seeing nothing negative about rugby whilst trying to aggressively push rugby to be the national sport - we see the agenda, are comfortable with it as we know how traditional and entrenched our sports are in Ireland but we will stick up for our sports at the same time, comfortable in the fact GAA sports and soccer will be always be the top sports in Ireland.

I understand you debating the stats and facts on the Irish national team as this is common amongst Irish rugby people and media. But you can't argue against stats and facts. I'd like nothing more than an Irish national team to storm into a WC in form and reach a semi final or beyond.

Even before this years WC the writing was the wall, the heavy defeat at Twickenham showed we were nowhere near the right level for a WC. From the last WC to that match we appeared to be well ahead of England and looked to the be the main contender from Europe. What happened that day showed England had been preparing for WC year; we also seen it in the 6 nations but the friendly defeat was shocking to some but not a shock; those who acknowledge
the facts on how countries work in cycles.

The problems; coaching, tactics etc weren't the problem when they arrived in Japan, Ireland stopped being contenders in Feb when their performances in the 6 nations showed opposing teams had stepped up a few levels. We were told Ireland had the best coach in the world prior to that.

Maybe Irish rugby has learnt as Farrell appears to have made some decisions on older players already (Kearney being one); yes older players could help win 1 or 2 six nations but won't be any use in 2023 so lets make the changes now and prepare - lets hope so.

Good luck to rugby, I can see you won't admit the problems with Irish rugby that is fair enough. The reason I mentioned them here is it's part of the Irish media to bash the GAA and soccer whilst not allowing any negativety about rugby with their ultimate agenda to make rugby number 1 in Ireland.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 740 - 23/10/2020 09:13:02    2300419

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Indeed they are professional. And have a far better chance of being in a position to isolate and avoid contacts between games. That is one of the points I made."
The women's team are not professional. They hold down jobs to make a living .They too are heading to Paris next week for a number of days. Given that RTÉ has been good enough to establish that GAA players could be subject to employer risk assessments it stands to reason that the women's rugby panel would also be subject to the same risk assessments. Should one of the ladies on that panel contract Covid in Paris every single member of the panel would be deemed a close contact. The trip to Paris is a risk for everyone involved on that ladies panel. In relation to rugby players not voicing misgivings about playing you missed the point I was making . Who amongst them is going to put their contract and therefore their employment at risk by voicing misgivings about playing or by refusing to play? They have families to feed, clothe and educate.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5214 - 23/10/2020 10:30:05    2300428

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Replying To ArmaghCat:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false."
So how many world cups have they won??? Only about 9 teams across the world take it seriously so even if you are too four that is effectively in the top 50% no more

It is the most over hyped game on this island driven by a media frenzy....Soccer is truly global in comparison so I understand the hype when Ireland qualify for the World Cup compared to Rugby......"
Georgia love their rugby but the Six Nations keep the door shut on them. Elitist sport.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 23/10/2020 10:54:11    2300437

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Replying To OpenStand:  "It seems every media outlet you turn to is bad mouthing the GAA , many in the Dublin media in particular live in some left wing cocoon and generally detest anything that resembles a traditional Ireland .
They failed with all their surveys and twisting of the figures to stop senior intercounty but now they want to stop minor and other underage County fixtures .
Not a word about under 17 league if ireland fixtures etc , it's just a attack on gaa dresses up as Covid concerns ."
I'm left wing trust me there is nothing left wing about the Dublin media.

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1113 - 23/10/2020 11:29:29    2300450

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Replying To Breezy:  "I'm left wing trust me there is nothing left wing about the Dublin media."
Really? They were having a great time bashing Donegal for voting against the 8th Amendment repeal.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 259 - 23/10/2020 11:46:45    2300458

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Killingfields reminds me very much of an old poster going by a different name who loved involving rugby in his posts at every opportunity until everyone on here got sick of him and he left as nobody would interact with him. Is he back I wonder?
Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1591 - 22/10/2020 22:54:32
Took you long enough... most intelligent figured it out straight away..... and i didnt invlve rugby at every opportunity if you actually read the posts back again

CTI Ivan, they wrote songs, books and a play about Munster's win over The All Blacks in 1978. They're still talking about it. The 42nd anniversary is on Saturday week. Cue the annual retrospectives.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5128 - 22/10/2020 23:33:52
And songs, books were never written about any major win in the GAA or soccer or anything else?

What does world class mean in rugby? Every team in a sport where only 5, max 8 teams in the world compete must be deemed world class by the very definition of world class, no?
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 769 - 23/10/2020 07:17:16
Ah we're gone back to this rubbish. Name the 5-8 teams who compete then? Bound to miss several

So how many world cups have they won??? Only about 9 teams across the world take it seriously so even if you are too four that is effectively in the top 50% no more
It is the most over hyped game on this island driven by a media frenzy....Soccer is truly global in comparison so I understand the hype when Ireland qualify for the World Cup compared to Rugby......
ArmaghCat (Armagh) - Posts: 51 - 23/10/2020 08:50:33
So you have to win a world cup to be top class then?
Soccer has had 8 winners in all this time. No sport is global compared to soccer....
The sport is neither over hyped or driven by media frenzy..

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1891 - 23/10/2020 11:58:45    2300459

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Really? They were having a great time bashing Donegal for voting against the 8th Amendment repeal."
Like a lot o people seem to now you are mistaking socially liberal with left wing. Yes they often cross over but look at the greens for instance they are socially liberal but I wouldnt call them left wing which is an economic philosophy

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1113 - 23/10/2020 12:02:01    2300460

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Replying To KillingFields:  "It's not immature; I do like watching and following the sport particularly the national team. Rugby isn't my first sport so maybe I'm not afraid to state the facts. The facts and stats don't like lye. Since the sport turned professional look at Ireland's results in world cup year. Not the autumn tests (friendlies) a year before the world cup; actual world cup year from Feb onwards. The fact it continually happens can't just be a concidence - the fact is France, England, Wales and further afield NZ, Australia and SA target world cup year and concentrate on cycles.
Some of them countries results are inconsistent in year 1 - 3 but they look a completly different prospect as soon as WC year hits; again that isn't a concidence, with all the science in sport that is well planned over a few years to ensure more than any other they peak that year.
This is the reason Ireland's results and performances dip in WC year; the opposition all of a sudden are a completly different prospect whilst Ireland have slugged it out year after year against half prepared teams and when faced with fresh, well prepared teams at their peak we look a poor comparsion. I'm Irish and it's unfortunate but it is the truth - it's nice we can add a few 6 nations championships in years 1-3, I enjoy the buzz but never get carried away as I know what's coming down the road in year 4 and I'm never wrong with that.
I can see rugby maybe is your number 1 sport so understand you'd prefer to go with the media narrative of "world's number 1 team" "world cup contenders", "rugby has now grown to be the people's sport". The reality is none of this true; it's a minority sport and good luck to it's active members but it's a sport that doesn't produce world class teams in Ireland.
The national sports is GAA and a bit of soccer; this will always be the case despite the media agenda to bash GAA into a minority sport; they'll fail.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 639 - 22/10/2020 21:25:34
Of course its immature.
Ireland have messed up at world cups but to be fair for the first few ireland were at their worst ever. 90s international rugby ireland were horrific. Some of the others were in many ways a combination of bad selection mistakes/coaches making big errors etc...
People keep saying the november internationals etc are just friendlies. Labelling them as such isnt correct. They have much more importance than that.
Everything about the irish rugby set up is about peaking at world cups. They havent yet done that but the system is all about the national team.
The phrase "people's game" was stupid and i bet the people who coined it are laughing their hole off at all the soccer and gaa fans especially who get so wound up by it years after it happned.
But saying ireland doesnt produce world class teams is false."
Good team but ultimately failed when most needed, that is us in a nutshell."
Leave Mayo out of it Lily

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1113 - 23/10/2020 12:05:53    2300462

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