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Replying To updwell: "If the GAA should be called off because of county final celebrations then you are missing the real issue here which is Irish peoples deadly love affair with drink. If these fans weren't celebrating GAA victories they would have found another reason for a p##s up. So cancel the 6 Nations in case the Team of Us(eless) manage to win it because there will be big outbreaks in D4, private schools and Dundrum shopping centre." Spot on about our deadly live affair with drink up dwell. Affects too many people's lives. But as long as we have a bravado attitude to alcohol unfortunately it will continue.
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It's not plain lies though and any rugby follower would know this if they like to admit it or not. Look at the RFU and Welsh Rugby Union's 4 year cycle plan. It's a very well spoken about; these unions tend to move players on after a world cup and only keep a coach if they're committing to the 4 years. Their coaches don't hide the fact they're trying new systems and players with thd ultimate aim of preparing for the world cup. Those unions as well as France have a very clear policy which shows in the results at WC's compared to ourselves; yes there is one or two WC's they underachieve but not often. Ireland's policy on the other hand is building up huge momentum in the 6 nations to grow the game and increase revenue. NZ even laughed during interviews at the WC about Ireland beating them in glorified friendlies whilst they were in transition. Look at the result when NZ were at peak. I love rugby but Irish rugby is a farce and a tad embarssing when we talk about being number 1 and winning world cups. We benefit from the transitional period; even the 6 nations in WC year we tend to be awful; all a farce sorry.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 638 - 21/10/2020 20:30:56except there is huge examples of welsh and english keeping players on just like the irish. like 99 with the english and 07/11 with welsh...
calling irish rugby a farce is just childish and immature. calling the tests we beat new zealand glorified friendlies is nonsense. Theyre the top level of the sport. before the world cup, which there has only been 9, they were only chance to play these sides. The Kiwis werent in transition in those games.
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Replying To galwayford: " Replying To brisbane: "[quote=KillingFields: "judging from some of the posters here in this forum there are plenty of them in here too. Complete sheep who follow the (fake left) media and the government who take every word as they say as complete truth.
preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 483 - 21/10/2020 12:56:28 hahahahahahaha
Is your tinfoil hat ok...." KillingFields is clearly Anti GAA. KillingFields is either a troll or hired by hoganstand to create debate."
That said, it is nice to have some Munster rugby fans on this platform. I am a big Premier league football fan. Who nearly always watches Match of the Day."]Killing fields is a nickname for Young Munsters Rugby club grounds, or more likely known as Greenfields. Throw back to the good old days of the likes of Peter Clohessy, Ger Earls (father of Keith) etc and the AIL in the nineties.
And what in the world does it matter that we don't have a successful Gaelic football team in Limerick ?
How is that relevant?
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I think it's a bit unfair comparing Brian O'Driscoll and Seamus Coleman to see who is more decorated. Both were and are fantastic players in their game and profession, Brian O'Driscoll was a top centre and arguably the best in the world in his position for a long time and he was the envy of alot of countries too. He achieved success and trophies with Leinster, played in 4 lions tours and if Ireland had a better coach other than Eddie O'Sullivan in the 00's he would have won alot more with Ireland in his prime too.
Seamus Coleman in my opinion was the best right back for 5 or 6 seasons in premier league in his prime and he played with a very good Everton team that under achieved and if he was English you would have had top club's paying 80million+ for him. He played a major part in Ireland getting to euro 2016 and when he got injured against Wales in the world cup quailifers it seriously weakened Ireland's chances and I believe it played a major part in Ireland missing out. I'm proud that Ireland produced both.
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Replying To sam1884: " Replying To KillingFields: "True in that Joe Molloy is a Kildare man who's family are from Silgo. Joe Molloy works for virgin Rugby and Off the ball Rugby newstalk. Joe went ranting on air and on twitter calling for the GAA season to be cancelled this is a direct attack on the GAA organisation by Rugby media. Vodapone "team of us" put a lot of money into Irish rugby and wont be too happy to see direct competition over the next few weeks they heavily involved in Off the ball newstalk.
brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 448 - 21/10/2020 15:58:26Off the Ball covers all sports. He isnt rugby media. He is a sports journalist. Covers GAA and everything else with OTB.
Molly's Dad is a Mayoman. Before he took the TV job he was clueless on rugby, still is in many ways. He's more of a soccer and golf man. Don't let the truth get in the way of your lies.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5851 - 21/10/2020 16:18:25 Wouldnt say clueless on rugby but far from the best.
He is from Limerick and is a big Munster rugby fan. His name- Killing fields, refers to a D4 rugby term for Limerick rugby. Limerick are not good at Gaelic football, they are in division 4. He is focally anti Gaelic football.
That said, it is nice to have some Munster rugby fans on this platform. I am a big Premier league football fan. Who nearly always watches Match of the Day.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1887 - 21/10/2020 16:24:38Im not anti gaelic football but do think the rule book needs drastic overhaul. What "D4 rugby term" (whats a d4 rugby term anyway?) did i use?
No they are not......just look at all the comments on social media over past 48 hrs....look at the profiles of the people commenting LoI fans, rugby fans etc all in a sustained attack on GAA due to its popularity ......
The chip on the shoulder of these people about the GAA is immense even the way the refer to it as bog ball and stick fighting thinking they are cool and hip when actually they are simply trying to ape a colonial power that tramped their people into the ground for generations ......
ArmaghCat (Armagh) - Posts: 49 - 21/10/2020 16:35:44 hahahaha do you have links to all these comments that are anti gaa?
Care to show on many main rugby forums that people use terms such as bog ball and stick fighting?
I'm GAA first and foremost but have more than an interest in other sports including soccer and rugby. This means I read and follow the media attached to all sports and make no mistake the current campaign is nothing to do with Covid.
Irish rugby is a farce; we're brainwashed into thinking the international rugby team touches every community in Ireland and we're one of the top international teams with a chance of becoming world champions. It's a complete farce; yes the team do fairly well; winning a few 6 nations in the years post world cup when all other nations are in transition planning for the next world cup year. Look at Ireland's record in WC years or at the WC itself; this is the only year every team is at peak and the same level of preparation and we're a very poor international team.
Soccer to be fair is a national sport that genuinely touches every community in Ireland; our soccer team is poor but there is nothing like a successful international team - it doesn't happen often but the vast majority of the country feel genuine warmth to working class guys representing us and get behind it as a country.
The mainstream media has been taken over by rugby fanatics; very much linked to the governments trying to make everything in the country middle class. There is a campaign to make rugby our national sport, it's all positive reports; nothing negative and after each awful WC year everything goes back how great rugby is.
Yes Munster rugby touches working class areas but it will never be a national sport like the GAA or soccer. GAA in particular gets bad press from the media as I suspect they see us as more of a competitor.
To the GAA people out there let the negativety and GAA bashing continue, they'll never achieve what they're trying to do as the GAA breaks down every class system and is the true national sport of Ireland no matter how much the rugby press dislike it.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 637 - 21/10/2020 16:48:20 The only farcical thing is this post.
You are going back to using the old insults that others have used countless times before and its been shown to be incorrect. Yes the mens rugby team have failed at world cups. Theres no arguing that but saying the 6 nations wins etc are just when the opposition is in transition is just plain lies.
Going on about mainstream media being taken over is very near jim corr/gemma o doherty paranoia levels.
The negativity the GAA receives in the media comes from the so called gaa people more than anyone else in particular the gaa only writers. that isnt the fault of anyone but the GAA itself." It's not plain lies though and any rugby follower would know this if they like to admit it or not. Look at the RFU and Welsh Rugby Union's 4 year cycle plan. It's a very well spoken about; these unions tend to move players on after a world cup and only keep a coach if they're committing to the 4 years. Their coaches don't hide the fact they're trying new systems and players with thd ultimate aim of preparing for the world cup. Those unions as well as France have a very clear policy which shows in the results at WC's compared to ourselves; yes there is one or two WC's they underachieve but not often. Ireland's policy on the other hand is building up huge momentum in the 6 nations to grow the game and increase revenue. NZ even laughed during interviews at the WC about Ireland beating them in glorified friendlies whilst they were in transition. Look at the result when NZ were at peak. I love rugby but Irish rugby is a farce and a tad embarssing when we talk about being number 1 and winning world cups. We benefit from the transitional period; even the 6 nations in WC year we tend to be awful; all a farce sorry."
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Replying To sam1884: "I'm GAA first and foremost but have more than an interest in other sports including soccer and rugby. This means I read and follow the media attached to all sports and make no mistake the current campaign is nothing to do with Covid.
Irish rugby is a farce; we're brainwashed into thinking the international rugby team touches every community in Ireland and we're one of the top international teams with a chance of becoming world champions. It's a complete farce; yes the team do fairly well; winning a few 6 nations in the years post world cup when all other nations are in transition planning for the next world cup year. Look at Ireland's record in WC years or at the WC itself; this is the only year every team is at peak and the same level of preparation and we're a very poor international team.
Soccer to be fair is a national sport that genuinely touches every community in Ireland; our soccer team is poor but there is nothing like a successful international team - it doesn't happen often but the vast majority of the country feel genuine warmth to working class guys representing us and get behind it as a country.
The mainstream media has been taken over by rugby fanatics; very much linked to the governments trying to make everything in the country middle class. There is a campaign to make rugby our national sport, it's all positive reports; nothing negative and after each awful WC year everything goes back how great rugby is.
Yes Munster rugby touches working class areas but it will never be a national sport like the GAA or soccer. GAA in particular gets bad press from the media as I suspect they see us as more of a competitor.
To the GAA people out there let the negativety and GAA bashing continue, they'll never achieve what they're trying to do as the GAA breaks down every class system and is the true national sport of Ireland no matter how much the rugby press dislike it." RTE said rugby was the people's game. Shows you how deluded they are. But then that's what happens when you base yourselves in D4 and hire most of your presenters from the same area.
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Replying To KillingFields: "It's not plain lies though and any rugby follower would know this if they like to admit it or not. Look at the RFU and Welsh Rugby Union's 4 year cycle plan. It's a very well spoken about; these unions tend to move players on after a world cup and only keep a coach if they're committing to the 4 years. Their coaches don't hide the fact they're trying new systems and players with thd ultimate aim of preparing for the world cup. Those unions as well as France have a very clear policy which shows in the results at WC's compared to ourselves; yes there is one or two WC's they underachieve but not often. Ireland's policy on the other hand is building up huge momentum in the 6 nations to grow the game and increase revenue. NZ even laughed during interviews at the WC about Ireland beating them in glorified friendlies whilst they were in transition. Look at the result when NZ were at peak. I love rugby but Irish rugby is a farce and a tad embarssing when we talk about being number 1 and winning world cups. We benefit from the transitional period; even the 6 nations in WC year we tend to be awful; all a farce sorry.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 638 - 21/10/2020 20:30:56except there is huge examples of welsh and english keeping players on just like the irish. like 99 with the english and 07/11 with welsh...
calling irish rugby a farce is just childish and immature. calling the tests we beat new zealand glorified friendlies is nonsense. Theyre the top level of the sport. before the world cup, which there has only been 9, they were only chance to play these sides. The Kiwis werent in transition in those games." You're right KillingFields the Kiwis weren't in transitions....they were just missing 7 or 8 of their first team and the players that were playing were exhausted after a long club season. Realistically they were on a holiday for for a pi** up! But ye, Ireland world no.1!!
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Replying To updwell: "If the GAA should be called off because of county final celebrations then you are missing the real issue here which is Irish peoples deadly love affair with drink. If these fans weren't celebrating GAA victories they would have found another reason for a p##s up. So cancel the 6 Nations in case the Team of Us(eless) manage to win it because there will be big outbreaks in D4, private schools and Dundrum shopping centre." Not missing the point at all. I said the anti GAA brigade are pointing at the confirmed outbreaks from these celebrations which included the sharing of parties on social media as a reason for people having a pop at the GAA.
I am praying the championship can go ahead. I am simply pointing out why there is opposition to it. You also have a huge number of players who are saying they are not comfortable with it going ahead.
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Replying To Leftpeg1: " Replying To KillingFields: "It's not plain lies though and any rugby follower would know this if they like to admit it or not. Look at the RFU and Welsh Rugby Union's 4 year cycle plan. It's a very well spoken about; these unions tend to move players on after a world cup and only keep a coach if they're committing to the 4 years. Their coaches don't hide the fact they're trying new systems and players with thd ultimate aim of preparing for the world cup. Those unions as well as France have a very clear policy which shows in the results at WC's compared to ourselves; yes there is one or two WC's they underachieve but not often. Ireland's policy on the other hand is building up huge momentum in the 6 nations to grow the game and increase revenue. NZ even laughed during interviews at the WC about Ireland beating them in glorified friendlies whilst they were in transition. Look at the result when NZ were at peak. I love rugby but Irish rugby is a farce and a tad embarssing when we talk about being number 1 and winning world cups. We benefit from the transitional period; even the 6 nations in WC year we tend to be awful; all a farce sorry.
sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 638 - 21/10/2020 20:30:56except there is huge examples of welsh and english keeping players on just like the irish. like 99 with the english and 07/11 with welsh...
calling irish rugby a farce is just childish and immature. calling the tests we beat new zealand glorified friendlies is nonsense. Theyre the top level of the sport. before the world cup, which there has only been 9, they were only chance to play these sides. The Kiwis werent in transition in those games." You're right KillingFields the Kiwis weren't in transitions....they were just missing 7 or 8 of their first team and the players that were playing were exhausted after a long club season. Realistically they were on a holiday for for a pi** up! But ye, Ireland world no.1!!"
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Replying To brisbane: "True in that Joe Molloy is a Kildare man who's family are from Silgo. Joe Molloy works for virgin Rugby and Off the ball Rugby newstalk. Joe went ranting on air and on twitter calling for the GAA season to be cancelled this is a direct attack on the GAA organisation by Rugby media. Vodapone "team of us" put a lot of money into Irish rugby and wont be too happy to see direct competition over the next few weeks they heavily involved in Off the ball newstalk." Absolutely embarrassing comment. He has never ranted for the GAA to be cancelled. I listen to OTB while I am working a lot and he has never ranted about cancelling the GAA. He is a brilliant presenter on almost all topics. Clearly you have a problem with him and see him as a rugby head. You may need to take the chip off your shoulder.
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Absolutely embarrassing comment. He has never ranted for the GAA to be cancelled. I listen to OTB while I am working a lot and he has never ranted about cancelling the GAA. He is a brilliant presenter on almost all topics. Clearly you have a problem with him and see him as a rugby head. You may need to take the chip off your shoulder." Ah steady on Flaker. Absolutely brilliant is rather strong. He is a good interviewer and I enjoy listening to him at times . But absolutely brilliant?? Nah !!! At times that presentation team can be very smug and overly satisfied with themselves to the point where arrogance is very apparent,
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Absolutely embarrassing comment. He has never ranted for the GAA to be cancelled. I listen to OTB while I am working a lot and he has never ranted about cancelling the GAA. He is a brilliant presenter on almost all topics. Clearly you have a problem with him and see him as a rugby head. You may need to take the chip off your shoulder." Yes he did call of the GAA season to be cancelled not only on off the ball but also attacked the GAA on twitter latter that evening. Why didnt Joe call for the rugby friendlies to be cancelled? I have a problem with a rugby presenter calling for GAA to be cancelled. Its like Michael lester calling for the 6nations to be cancelled while he carrys on covering the GAA season.
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Replying To Greengrass: "Ah steady on Flaker. Absolutely brilliant is rather strong. He is a good interviewer and I enjoy listening to him at times . But absolutely brilliant?? Nah !!! At times that presentation team can be very smug and overly satisfied with themselves to the point where arrogance is very apparent," Ironically I think he improved as a presenter since he got the TV rugby gig. Is a lot more confident now. Used to always refer to this book or this Twitter quote rather than give more of his own opinions. He's very good, a nice fella, wouldn't say he was brilliant. I don't think any presenter on Off The Ball has filled Eoin McDevitt's shoes. Overall as Joe Molloy's standard has improved the rest of the show has suffered. Since they introduced their crappy quiz and decided they're a brand on too many media options there's too much quantity with little quality. I don't know what market they're looking for but their laddish buzzwords just annoy me now and I don't listen anywhere near like I used to.
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Replying To GreenandRed: "Ironically I think he improved as a presenter since he got the TV rugby gig. Is a lot more confident now. Used to always refer to this book or this Twitter quote rather than give more of his own opinions. He's very good, a nice fella, wouldn't say he was brilliant. I don't think any presenter on Off The Ball has filled Eoin McDevitt's shoes. Overall as Joe Molloy's standard has improved the rest of the show has suffered. Since they introduced their crappy quiz and decided they're a brand on too many media options there's too much quantity with little quality. I don't know what market they're looking for but their laddish buzzwords just annoy me now and I don't listen anywhere near like I used to." The programme is too long The half hour of banter amongst themselves they had at the start of the programme was self indulgent rubbish.
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Replying To brisbane: "Yes he did call of the GAA season to be cancelled not only on off the ball but also attacked the GAA on twitter latter that evening. Why didnt Joe call for the rugby friendlies to be cancelled? I have a problem with a rugby presenter calling for GAA to be cancelled. Its like Michael lester calling for the 6nations to be cancelled while he carrys on covering the GAA season." If Matt Cooper called for the GAA championship to be cancelled would you say it was a request from a Rugby or a GAA presenter? Does everyone who calls for the GAA season to be cancelled have to do so because they represent another sport or is that just your paranoia?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7344 - 22/10/2020 16:32:17
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Replying To brisbane: "Yes he did call of the GAA season to be cancelled not only on off the ball but also attacked the GAA on twitter latter that evening. Why didnt Joe call for the rugby friendlies to be cancelled? I have a problem with a rugby presenter calling for GAA to be cancelled. Its like Michael lester calling for the 6nations to be cancelled while he carrys on covering the GAA season." So you have gone from saying he has been ranting to say it should be cancelled to now saying he merely said it should be cancelled. He said he has been back and over in his mind and feels uncomfortable about the situation based on the results of the GPA poll and also the Louth player publicly speaking out about the issues especially in weaker counties.
And if I have to explain the difference between the rugby and the GAA and how it is easier for the rugby to continue then you really haven't a clue.
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Replying To brisbane: "Yes he did call of the GAA season to be cancelled not only on off the ball but also attacked the GAA on twitter latter that evening. Why didnt Joe call for the rugby friendlies to be cancelled? I have a problem with a rugby presenter calling for GAA to be cancelled. Its like Michael lester calling for the 6nations to be cancelled while he carrys on covering the GAA season." Rugby players are all in bubble and tested very regularly. He covers all sports through off the ball. He isnt simply a rugby presenter.
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Replying To KillingFields: "I have no time for rugby myself KillingFields but I'm not saying it should be stopped as I believe their is little risk in the actual playing of these sports. It's just rugby like GAA has a risk when it involves travelling and rugby has a lot more travelling around for 6 Nations games and the Pro whatever it is now with European Cup to come. I know their tested and isolated as much as possible but if you read the Examiner on Monday they had an article about Fermanagh playing in Clare last weekend as they were also separated and keeping their distance. I'm sure all GAA teams are doing this but at the moment the 'the Frightened Panicking mob' is out to shut it down. I'm sure you and all rugby fans are looking forward to the 6 Nations as a get away from all the bad news and GAA fans are likewise but the Joe Duffy and the gang smell blood.
updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 398 - 21/10/2020 15:19:59And the players are in bubbles. Chartering their own planes. Will have limited movement when they do travel...." This is a myth and anyone that thinks these players are in bubbles are dreaming. They will minimise risk of course but the Rugby players will have plenty of contact with the outside world.
If you look at the two idiots from the England soccer team bringing girls back to their room. These are the highest paid sportsmen and teams in the world and they can't ensure complete bubbles. Covid cases happening all the time. Look at Ronaldo. And you want me to believe that a Rugby players with nowhere near the same money in the game As the footballers that could not prevent it either, are somehow more immune than the rest of us in their "Bubble"!
The fact is they are at risk the same as all of us. They go to the same shops, their kids go to school, walk the same streets. The only difference between the pro Rugby player and the GAA player is not the money available to lock you in a fake bubble, it's that the GAA player does not have to travel Europe to global pandemic hotspots for competition. The GAA are in position to have competition within the country and can take the same precautions and limit risk the same way as the Rugby players.
Blaming the GAA is a convenient way for TD's to divert from their own perceived failings in dealing with this pandemic.
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