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Replying To sean og:  "My god man get over yourself."
Thank you for proving my point.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9428 - 13/10/2020 12:59:32    2297241

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Replying To SaffronDon:  "I still have this feeling not to get too excited until they start breaking ground. Too many begrudgers out there who would love nothing more than to see Casement remain a wasteland in the heart of a thriving GAA community. Sad but true!"
100%, just watch all the ao called Ulster Gaels rail against it.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9428 - 13/10/2020 13:01:01    2297243

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "Thank you for proving my point."
I'm delighted Casement has finally been given the ok so try again please.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1036 - 13/10/2020 13:19:17    2297251

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It has potential to be the best stadium in country. Just sort out the parking, which every time I've been there has been non-existent. You drive up onto a pavement in an estate somewhere, abandon and hope. Clones, for all the abuse it gets, is actually ran well and parking isn't an issue

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1074 - 13/10/2020 13:22:42    2297253

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "100%, just watch all the ao called Ulster Gaels rail against it."
I'm not too worried about all that. More so our unionist politicians who have set out to prevent this from day one. If they can find an angle they will run with it!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2278 - 13/10/2020 13:28:50    2297258

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Replying To essmac:  "It has potential to be the best stadium in country. Just sort out the parking, which every time I've been there has been non-existent. You drive up onto a pavement in an estate somewhere, abandon and hope. Clones, for all the abuse it gets, is actually ran well and parking isn't an issue"
Handy for north Armagh gaels as theres a decent train service, 15 minute walk from Finaghy. Park and ride service would be helpful.

sean og (Armagh) - Posts: 1036 - 13/10/2020 13:35:03    2297261

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Replying To essmac:  "It has potential to be the best stadium in country. Just sort out the parking, which every time I've been there has been non-existent. You drive up onto a pavement in an estate somewhere, abandon and hope. Clones, for all the abuse it gets, is actually ran well and parking isn't an issue"
Its a bit like Croker your always better parking away from the ground a bit. There are 3 shopping complex areas near the stadium and plenty of streets as well. With a motorway leading into the area its a lot smoother than a day trip to Clones.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2278 - 13/10/2020 13:38:46    2297263

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There's been a bit of a renaissance in Belfast in recent times in football and hurling. There's been a lot of good work done at youth level which is starting to pay off. Belfast sides are now competing at the business end of senior Championahips and that can only be good for the entire province. The city and Ulster deserve a decent stadium and that's no disrespect to Clones whose atmosphere is fantastic.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9428 - 13/10/2020 14:09:01    2297277

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Horrendous idea. I can't believe this nonsense of a plan is actually going ahead.

Having the provincial stadium in the north east of the province is mental. Just for the sake of having it in Belfast.

Surely somewhere in mid-Ulster would have been a far better option which would have suited all the gaels of Ulster. East Tyrone would have been a much better location.

Now fans from Cavan, Donegal, Fermanagh, West Tyrone and most of Monaghan will have a 3 day camel ride to go to a match.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 777 - 13/10/2020 14:15:39    2297279

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I'm sure Pauric would be pleased. I think his anniversary has just passed 10 years maybe?

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9428 - 13/10/2020 14:16:17    2297281

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This is great for Belfast and Antrim GAA, and I think it's an exciting move overall. Ulster Final day in West Belfast will be an exciting day out I think, but the old soul in me will pine for Clones on matchday. There was always a bit of magic about Clones on Ulster Final day so we will be losing something no doubt, but hopefully we will create new memories and feelings in the years to come.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1230 - 13/10/2020 14:21:40    2297284

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Replying To Wally:  "Horrendous idea. I can't believe this nonsense of a plan is actually going ahead.

Having the provincial stadium in the north east of the province is mental. Just for the sake of having it in Belfast.

Surely somewhere in mid-Ulster would have been a far better option which would have suited all the gaels of Ulster. East Tyrone would have been a much better location.

Now fans from Cavan, Donegal, Fermanagh, West Tyrone and most of Monaghan will have a 3 day camel ride to go to a match."
I know, next they'll be hosting all irelands in the far East of the country, imagine!

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2278 - 13/10/2020 14:32:37    2297288

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Replying To Wally:  "Horrendous idea. I can't believe this nonsense of a plan is actually going ahead.

Having the provincial stadium in the north east of the province is mental. Just for the sake of having it in Belfast.

Surely somewhere in mid-Ulster would have been a far better option which would have suited all the gaels of Ulster. East Tyrone would have been a much better location.

Now fans from Cavan, Donegal, Fermanagh, West Tyrone and most of Monaghan will have a 3 day camel ride to go to a match."
And they're off. I always found Tyrone 'Gaels' the most vehement against Belfast. I think there's an arrogance and superiority GAA mindset with them that thinks they are the centre of the Ulster GAA.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9428 - 13/10/2020 14:41:29    2297291

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My theory is a stadium like the rebuilt Casement will be run like a business; becoming a mini croke park. The plans appear to have significant facilities which I'm sure they'll use as part of their business plan. In the same way Leinster GAA used to use Croke Park for the vast majority of their championship games certainly from the semi final stage onwards Ulster are likely to do the same.

It might sound controversial but on the face of it any money spent on Clones should be to reduce part of the stadium and make it into a comfortable 15k - 20k club ground and main Monaghan stadium. I don't envisage Ulster GAA will have much interest in hosting games at Clones when Casement is built and they no longer have their offices there so it's likely they'll leave it to Monaghan and the local club to decide what they want done with it.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 856 - 13/10/2020 15:02:01    2297293

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "And they're off. I always found Tyrone 'Gaels' the most vehement against Belfast. I think there's an arrogance and superiority GAA mindset with them that thinks they are the centre of the Ulster GAA."
I would counter that and say that there appears to be an arrogance and air of superiority to almost all of your posts.

You do realise that not everyone has to agree to this plan just because it's based in Belfast.

Please provide some evidence that basing the provincial stadium in the centre of the province is not a good idea.

Why is it that you are allowed to passionately argue for this stadium to be based in Belfast but others cannot do the same for their own location.

Clearly you have a vested interest in this regardless of the practicalities of it.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 777 - 13/10/2020 15:11:14    2297294

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Replying To Wally:  "I would counter that and say that there appears to be an arrogance and air of superiority to almost all of your posts.

You do realise that not everyone has to agree to this plan just because it's based in Belfast.

Please provide some evidence that basing the provincial stadium in the centre of the province is not a good idea.

Why is it that you are allowed to passionately argue for this stadium to be based in Belfast but others cannot do the same for their own location.

Clearly you have a vested interest in this regardless of the practicalities of it."
I believe that first and foremost culturally, politically and symbolically the new stadium must be in Belfast. Unionism has Windsor and Ravenhill. The Irish Nationalist community must be equally represented in the city. There are 2 motorways leading into Belfast, access in and out of big games should be easier maybe apart from Donegal folk. Facilities wise the new Casement will be able to cater better for the fans, players and media needs (when Covid hopefully passes). Undoubtedly eventually concerts and other events will be held in the new ground which will bring income into Ulster too. Having said all this there ARE GAA people within the province who are inherently and vehemently anti Belfast. They come out with dismissive and arrogant bulls**t about the city and Antrim 'not being Gaelic Games places'. Finally I get well pi**ed off listening to the anti Belfast crowd GAA crowd within Ulster who have flocked into Belfast for decades for their well paid public sector and teaching jobs YET who aren't prepared to give Belfast anything back.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9428 - 13/10/2020 16:20:34    2297306

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Question is, where's Derry Gary?

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 544 - 13/10/2020 16:25:47    2297308

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "I believe that first and foremost culturally, politically and symbolically the new stadium must be in Belfast. Unionism has Windsor and Ravenhill. The Irish Nationalist community must be equally represented in the city. There are 2 motorways leading into Belfast, access in and out of big games should be easier maybe apart from Donegal folk. Facilities wise the new Casement will be able to cater better for the fans, players and media needs (when Covid hopefully passes). Undoubtedly eventually concerts and other events will be held in the new ground which will bring income into Ulster too. Having said all this there ARE GAA people within the province who are inherently and vehemently anti Belfast. They come out with dismissive and arrogant bulls**t about the city and Antrim 'not being Gaelic Games places'. Finally I get well pi**ed off listening to the anti Belfast crowd GAA crowd within Ulster who have flocked into Belfast for decades for their well paid public sector and teaching jobs YET who aren't prepared to give Belfast anything back."
Please explain to me, an Ulster man who likes rugby, how 'Unionism has Ravenhill'.

It is as much my team and your team as it is a Unionist's from Ballymena.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4561 - 13/10/2020 16:43:43    2297310

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Please explain to me, an Ulster man who likes rugby, how 'Unionism has Ravenhill'.

It is as much my team and your team as it is a Unionist's from Ballymena."
I agree. I support Ulster and the crowd is more mixed these days no doubt. However there is also still very much a middle class Unionist atmosphere and narrative around rugby within Ulster including some of the support. Don't be under any illusions about that.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9428 - 13/10/2020 17:10:24    2297324

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At least some thing is happening about Casement Park. Hell will be frozen over before Walsh Park is done.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1677 - 13/10/2020 17:51:30    2297331

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