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Replying To MuckrossHead: "There is no place for weaker teams at the business end of the All Ireland series. They are not good enough & if they are not willing to play in a championship with teams of a similar standard then wallopings is all the waits for them. As for feeling sorry for Cavan, why? They gave it their best shot, reached their first Ulster final in years & have plenty to build on in the coming years. I can think of a lot of counties in worse shape than Cavan." It's only a game...the victories taken with defeats. Donegal, in particular is buzzing during the summer when team is doing well...and no interest when team is out. I'll be up there for August, so I hope they are doing well...great buzz around there then. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 11:09:15 2208939 Link
Replying To Whammo86: "My god what a pessimistic post. I'd be shocked if there were more than 3 points in every game you mention. Cork, Meath, Roscommon have all earned the right to be here and play the top teams. If they are to progress they have to play the best at some stage." Sadly it may be a pessimistic post but you'll find it wasn't far off by the end of the Super 8's. Tyrone and Dublin will sail through their group without having to show their full hand. Roscommon deserve to be there granted but Mayo will still go further than them now they're getting players back and Roscommon will be shown up for winning a weak Championship. Cork have qualified due to beating a Div 3 and 4 team so can anyone expect a team playing Div 3 next year to compete against both of last year's All Ireland finalists?! If Cork played in any of the other Provinical Championships they'd be nowhere near the super 8's. I'm looking forward to the games involving Kerry/Mayo/Donegal as they'll be crackers. But Meath will be like Italy in the 6 nations so not all the games in that group will be worth watching. The GAA said this will be reviewed in two years, this year's super 8's will show the project requires change. The way draws and provinces are set up it's impossible to avoid teams like Cork making it through to the super 8's and impossible again to avoid the amount of mismatches we're likely to see over the next few weeks. I hope I'm proved wrong but expect to see a number of one sided games in this series. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 10/07/2019 14:31:25 2209064 Link
Replying To Rockies: "That "fellow provincial champion" are only there because of geography. Munster remains the top tier province with giants of the game like Kerry, Cork and Clare!." I really hope your'e joking? Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 787 - 10/07/2019 14:44:57 2209071 Link
Replying To sam1884: "Sadly it may be a pessimistic post but you'll find it wasn't far off by the end of the Super 8's. Tyrone and Dublin will sail through their group without having to show their full hand. Roscommon deserve to be there granted but Mayo will still go further than them now they're getting players back and Roscommon will be shown up for winning a weak Championship. Cork have qualified due to beating a Div 3 and 4 team so can anyone expect a team playing Div 3 next year to compete against both of last year's All Ireland finalists?! If Cork played in any of the other Provinical Championships they'd be nowhere near the super 8's. I'm looking forward to the games involving Kerry/Mayo/Donegal as they'll be crackers. But Meath will be like Italy in the 6 nations so not all the games in that group will be worth watching. The GAA said this will be reviewed in two years, this year's super 8's will show the project requires change. The way draws and provinces are set up it's impossible to avoid teams like Cork making it through to the super 8's and impossible again to avoid the amount of mismatches we're likely to see over the next few weeks. I hope I'm proved wrong but expect to see a number of one sided games in this series." Great to be in super8s. Tough for counties not in it. I know the feeling and am sympathetic. Am looking forward to the Cats game more than the football, but will enjoy both. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 14:46:57 2209073 Link
Replying To Tarismelting22: "I really hope your'e joking?" Me? Joking? I even left out Tipp who took the All Ireland by storm a few years ago, and contested Semifinal. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 14:58:28 2209079 Link
Replying To sam1884: "Sadly it may be a pessimistic post but you'll find it wasn't far off by the end of the Super 8's. Tyrone and Dublin will sail through their group without having to show their full hand. Roscommon deserve to be there granted but Mayo will still go further than them now they're getting players back and Roscommon will be shown up for winning a weak Championship. Cork have qualified due to beating a Div 3 and 4 team so can anyone expect a team playing Div 3 next year to compete against both of last year's All Ireland finalists?! If Cork played in any of the other Provinical Championships they'd be nowhere near the super 8's. I'm looking forward to the games involving Kerry/Mayo/Donegal as they'll be crackers. But Meath will be like Italy in the 6 nations so not all the games in that group will be worth watching. The GAA said this will be reviewed in two years, this year's super 8's will show the project requires change. The way draws and provinces are set up it's impossible to avoid teams like Cork making it through to the super 8's and impossible again to avoid the amount of mismatches we're likely to see over the next few weeks. I hope I'm proved wrong but expect to see a number of one sided games in this series." So who would you like to replace Cork, Meath, and Roscommon? If you replaced them with Galway, Cavan, and Armagh I think you'd still end up with mismatches. There's a big gulf between the top 5 and the rest. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 10/07/2019 15:10:49 2209087 Link
Replying To HighKings: "So who would you like to replace Cork, Meath, and Roscommon? If you replaced them with Galway, Cavan, and Armagh I think you'd still end up with mismatches. There's a big gulf between the top 5 and the rest." It's great for counties to be having the games and fair play to all 8. That's my point though the current system doesn't work. Yes if you replaced with those counties there wouldn't be a difference as evidenced by Cavan's mauling last week. There is two issues though one being fairness and giving all counties an equal chance to make this stage of the championship. The other issue is if the whole super 8 concept should continue as the problems will be very obvious in 3 weeks. I always thought the Super 8's was a Sky idea and after this year it wouldn't surprise me if a Super 4 was discussed instead as part of an overhaul of tiered Championships. This super 8 idea was embarassing to some degree last year but this year could be worse. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 10/07/2019 15:36:04 2209100 Link
Replying To HighKings: "So who would you like to replace Cork, Meath, and Roscommon? If you replaced them with Galway, Cavan, and Armagh I think you'd still end up with mismatches. There's a big gulf between the top 5 and the rest." Inclined to agree, though I think you and Sam are making the same point, just from the other side of the coin. No one can argue with the teams that are there; they deserve to be, end of. But the gulf that exists between the top three or four, and the rest, certainly robs the Super 8 of some of the excitement it was designed to generate. The dead rubber games in the last round of it last year are a case in point. If we have the same situation this year by the last round, it really deserves to be looked at. On a separate note; COME ON THE WEST! Roscommon and Mayo, give it leather lads! festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3148 - 10/07/2019 15:37:16 2209101 Link
Replying To festinog: "Inclined to agree, though I think you and Sam are making the same point, just from the other side of the coin. No one can argue with the teams that are there; they deserve to be, end of. But the gulf that exists between the top three or four, and the rest, certainly robs the Super 8 of some of the excitement it was designed to generate. The dead rubber games in the last round of it last year are a case in point. If we have the same situation this year by the last round, it really deserves to be looked at. On a separate note; COME ON THE WEST! Roscommon and Mayo, give it leather lads!" That's it exactly. You summed it up perfectly. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 10/07/2019 15:56:35 2209112 Link
Replying To sam1884: "It's great for counties to be having the games and fair play to all 8. That's my point though the current system doesn't work. Yes if you replaced with those counties there wouldn't be a difference as evidenced by Cavan's mauling last week. There is two issues though one being fairness and giving all counties an equal chance to make this stage of the championship. The other issue is if the whole super 8 concept should continue as the problems will be very obvious in 3 weeks. I always thought the Super 8's was a Sky idea and after this year it wouldn't surprise me if a Super 4 was discussed instead as part of an overhaul of tiered Championships. This super 8 idea was embarassing to some degree last year but this year could be worse." I do agree that there's probably a lack of depth in the game. Cork are very unlikely to get close to Dublin. I don't think it's pointless for Cork to be in the competition and I don't think it likely to be as predictable as you make out. Meath are unlikely to go through, but they could cause a shock against any of the 3 they are up against and scupper their opportunity of getting to the semifinals. You just have to look at the Carlow V Galway fixture in the hurling and how that ultimately came to count against Galway getting through. The 8 teams are all active participants in this competition and there's a lot to play for. What does fail to excite me though is Dublin and how far ahead of the rest they are. I think that has contributed to a lack of spark to proceedings. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4517 - 10/07/2019 16:03:15 2209114 Link
Replying To festinog: "Inclined to agree, though I think you and Sam are making the same point, just from the other side of the coin. No one can argue with the teams that are there; they deserve to be, end of. But the gulf that exists between the top three or four, and the rest, certainly robs the Super 8 of some of the excitement it was designed to generate. The dead rubber games in the last round of it last year are a case in point. If we have the same situation this year by the last round, it really deserves to be looked at. On a separate note; COME ON THE WEST! Roscommon and Mayo, give it leather lads!" Just an observation. Connaught and Ulster teams will support one another, but Munster and Leinster will not. Funny that! Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 16:09:19 2209117 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Just an observation. Connaught and Ulster teams will support one another, but Munster and Leinster will not. Funny that!" you have our support next weekend, there you go. KY4SAM2015 (Kerry) - Posts: 898 - 10/07/2019 16:26:58 2209122 Link
The talk of the gulf between the top 3 or 4 and the rest doesn't make sense to me. Who's the top 3 or 4 outside of Dublin? Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone? Mayo didn't get out of Connacht and haven't won anything since 2015. Donegal are being built up hugely on a few games after an average League. Kerry aren't the force they were and could well be in the future and Tyrone haven't won anything either in a couple of years and struggled past the likes of Longford. The likes of Cork, Meath and Roscommon should believe they can beat these teams. There is no top 3/4 like a few years ago. There's a top 1 and then the rest. tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/07/2019 16:27:05 2209123 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Just an observation. Connaught and Ulster teams will support one another, but Munster and Leinster will not. Funny that!" That's one poster don't be fooled by that ,majority of mayo won't support Roscommon or Galway if they were in it ,majority of Galway won't support either if they were in it and Roscommon hate both counties with a passion Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 10/07/2019 16:28:30 2209125 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "The talk of the gulf between the top 3 or 4 and the rest doesn't make sense to me. Who's the top 3 or 4 outside of Dublin? Kerry, Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone? Mayo didn't get out of Connacht and haven't won anything since 2015. Donegal are being built up hugely on a few games after an average League. Kerry aren't the force they were and could well be in the future and Tyrone haven't won anything either in a couple of years and struggled past the likes of Longford. The likes of Cork, Meath and Roscommon should believe they can beat these teams. There is no top 3/4 like a few years ago. There's a top 1 and then the rest." Best post all year! Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 16:31:43 2209128 Link
Replying To Galwayjoe86: "That's one poster don't be fooled by that ,majority of mayo won't support Roscommon or Galway if they were in it ,majority of Galway won't support either if they were in it and Roscommon hate both counties with a passion" I wouldnt support mayo against anyone including england. I dont pass any heed in galway, leitrkm hate us so the longer we give them there annual hammering the happier i am. OhtobeARossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 1792 - 10/07/2019 16:53:51 2209139 Link
Replying To Galwayjoe86: "That's one poster don't be fooled by that ,majority of mayo won't support Roscommon or Galway if they were in it ,majority of Galway won't support either if they were in it and Roscommon hate both counties with a passion" That's why the provincial competitions should be maintained! Century old rivalries would be lost. Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 10/07/2019 16:53:56 2209140 Link
Replying To Rockies: "That's why the provincial competitions should be maintained! Century old rivalries would be lost." Oh absolutely ,the pure rivalry of it ,I would be disgusted personally if it was abolished Galwayjoe86 (Galway) - Posts: 258 - 10/07/2019 17:10:40 2209149 Link
Provinces must stay, they are massive to the GAA. Centuries of history between the 4 of them. The division 3 and 4 counties who lose in the province could play in tier 2 (Cork would be able to apply for a waiver perhaps as I see them as a team on the move) suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1731 - 10/07/2019 18:02:17 2209176 Link
Replying To Rockies: "Just an observation. Connaught and Ulster teams will support one another, but Munster and Leinster will not. Funny that!" I would in general support other Leinster teams over teams from other provinces. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 10/07/2019 18:11:01 2209182 Link