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Replying To Sindar: "Who's talking about "irregularities"? There are 17 members on the GAA Management Committee from all the provinces and Education and 50+ on Central Council. Those committees make the decisions how funds are apportioned. It's one thing to question the decisions on where the money goes but it's an entirely different matter to start using words like financial irregularities and ethics and governance when there's no evidence that this needs to be even discussed" Hear hear! lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 23/07/2019 16:28:46 2215333 Link
I don't think any player gets a new car to keep. They get the use of a car for a year, the dealership gets publicity for it, picture in the papers, online etc. The player plugs the dealership on their Facebook, Twitter, Instagram as some of them plug other endorsements. Fair play to them. Probably the higher the profile player the better the dealer. Rumours of Michael Murphy being gifted a Maserati are probably exaggerated. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7999 - 23/07/2019 17:08:35 2215349 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "I don't think any player gets a new car to keep. They get the use of a car for a year, the dealership gets publicity for it, picture in the papers, online etc. The player plugs the dealership on their Facebook, Twitter, Instagram as some of them plug other endorsements. Fair play to them. Probably the higher the profile player the better the dealer. Rumours of Michael Murphy being gifted a Maserati are probably exaggerated." He deserves one in all fairness but a Land Rover might suit him better. Give the Maserati to McHugh Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 23/07/2019 17:18:42 2215357 Link
Replying To MuckrossHead: "This thing about cars is nonsense, some of the Donegal players have them as well. Dublin do have some advantages, but the main ones, population & Croke Park, are what they are & nothing can be done about that. It's just the way it is. Yes, rigging the Super 8's & the money that is given are a disgrace, but that is corruption at Croke Park & not Dublin's fault. Lastly, the main reason Dublin are so successful is that they are superbly managed by Jim Gavin & have had one of the true greats, Stephen Cluxton, as their talisman. This won't last forever & when they depart, I fully expect to see Dublin coming back closer to the other counties. For many years we thought Kilkenny would rule hurling forever & Kerry would be the top guns in football. It didn't last & Dublin's dominance won't last forever either. Don't forget they have had a number of close calls along the way & if a couple of those finals had been held in Castlebar then Mayo would be sharing top billing with them." Kilkenny didn't have a population anywhere near dublin's. They also didn't get 17M off the GAA or had an annual turnover of 7M. It was inevitable a county like kerry or kilkenny couldn't dominate forever but I'm not so sure about Dublin. I really do fear for the sport. Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 23/07/2019 17:48:17 2215370 Link
Replying To Jack_Goff: "Kilkenny didn't have a population anywhere near dublin's. They also didn't get 17M off the GAA or had an annual turnover of 7M. It was inevitable a county like kerry or kilkenny couldn't dominate forever but I'm not so sure about Dublin. I really do fear for the sport." Iv said that on numerous occasions, people are either blind or are just hoping this will go away. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/07/2019 19:17:09 2215401 Link
The Leinster final I speak of will put bums on seats. Surely that is good for a return on the GAA investment? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8812 - 23/07/2019 19:37:23 2215411 Link
Replying To steve097: "You are aware that Madrid and Barca are different cities with different ethnicities and were on opposite sides in a recent civil war. In short, they hate each other. Unless DNS secedes and starts a war, I don't see your "rivalry" happening , ever, under any circumstances." I'd suggest actually researching some Spanish history before making incorrect analogies. Embarrassing stuff. LimerickKid84 (Limerick) - Posts: 28 - 23/07/2019 19:39:25 2215412 Link
Replying To LimerickKid84: "I'd suggest actually researching some Spanish history before making incorrect analogies. Embarrassing stuff." Madrid is and was the political base for the axis of Fascists, Falangists, Royalists, Catholic conservatives and rich landowners who were and still are the sworn enemies of any form of Socialism or left-of centre politics. It's no wonder they're hated by working class Spaniards. Even out of power they continue to fight a rearguard action against Democracy. Why do you think so many foreigners joined the Republicans and gave their lives ( many Irish amongst them). Galacticos is right. steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 23/07/2019 21:00:38 2215447 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Two Dublin teams will fill out Croke Park for a Leinster final. It'll be a rivalry bigger than Real Madrid v Barcelona. Surely that's a return on the GAA investment?" Ah....the split Dublin idea again. Fair enough. If you want to have a proper debate on that well every county should be up for discussion. Amalgamations, realignment that disregards traditional county boundaries. Put it all for grabs and we'll see how far it gets. CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 23/07/2019 21:15:00 2215454 Link
Replying To CornAghais91: "Ah....the split Dublin idea again. Fair enough. If you want to have a proper debate on that well every county should be up for discussion. Amalgamations, realignment that disregards traditional county boundaries. Put it all for grabs and we'll see how far it gets." The dwindling support at Leinster Championship games in Croke Park and Dublin's Super 8 games is not good after the substantial investment in Dublin. The idea mooted in 2001 is a solution today. Croke Park will be a full house for the provincial final. Croke Park will have two hosts. It doubles the revenue stream. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8812 - 23/07/2019 21:28:47 2215462 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The Leinster final I speak of will put bums on seats. Surely that is good for a return on the GAA investment?" It would do the opposite , 2 Dublin teams in a Leinster final would be played in an empty Croke Park. superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 23/07/2019 21:37:27 2215468 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The dwindling support at Leinster Championship games in Croke Park and Dublin's Super 8 games is not good after the substantial investment in Dublin. The idea mooted in 2001 is a solution today. Croke Park will be a full house for the provincial final. Croke Park will have two hosts. It doubles the revenue stream." Fully agree. But everything else is up for grabs so, as I said previously. Amalgamations, realignments etc. What do u think? CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 23/07/2019 21:43:35 2215472 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "It would do the opposite , 2 Dublin teams in a Leinster final would be played in an empty Croke Park." Exactly. And would many attend the Munster final between North Tipp and South Kerry? CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 23/07/2019 21:48:59 2215475 Link
Replying To CornAghais91: "Ah....the split Dublin idea again. Fair enough. If you want to have a proper debate on that well every county should be up for discussion. Amalgamations, realignment that disregards traditional county boundaries. Put it all for grabs and we'll see how far it gets." The rest of the country isn't the problem here it's the blue behemoth that's killing football. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 23/07/2019 21:54:32 2215479 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "It would do the opposite , 2 Dublin teams in a Leinster final would be played in an empty Croke Park." I sure as hell would not be there. Maybe he means it would be full of Kerrys? steve097 (Dublin) - Posts: 109 - 23/07/2019 21:59:30 2215480 Link
Replying To CornAghais91: "Ah....the split Dublin idea again. Fair enough. If you want to have a proper debate on that well every county should be up for discussion. Amalgamations, realignment that disregards traditional county boundaries. Put it all for grabs and we'll see how far it gets." Precisely. If we are going to look at demographic inequality let's look at the whole picture. Think of poor Waterford in the past. Waterford's population is 50k. Their footballers face, let's say, Kerry with a population of 150k.That's an imbalance of 3:1. Dublin differs from Kerry in this respect only by a matter of degree. Look at the Connacht Championship. Mayo has population 135K. Leitrim has a population of just over 30k. That's an imbalance of 4.5: 1. The you look at the likes of London and New York in our IC Championships. Where do you draw the line? People only get exercised by this question when it comes to Dublin. Now, if we are going to argue that this kind of population imbalance is fundamentally unfair, let's look at the whole inter county system. It is arguable that the whole IC scene needs to a comprehensive re-evaluation. Then again our club scene also has these imbalances. Look at a club like Kilmacud Crokes . They have a massive membership and plenty of resources yet they were beaten by Mullinalaghta, a parish with a population of 450. Should that Lind of advantage be allowed in our game? I'll say it again. If you uphold the principle of equality it must apply across the board. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1992 - 23/07/2019 22:07:03 2215481 Link
Replying To superbluedub: "It would do the opposite , 2 Dublin teams in a Leinster final would be played in an empty Croke Park." Less people will watch the best final in years? A former Dublin player reckons their will be merit in two teams if it's seen after a decade that this is more than a cyclical phase. It's not going to happen at the stroke of a pen. There will be an extensive review. 2026 will be 25 years on from the 2001 report. After a generation of heavy investment and a decade of complete dominance, a natural evolution might come to fruition. The Laois hurlers got great praise for their efforts this year. Donegal, Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone are putting up an incredible challenge. Killarney, Dr Hyde Park and Ballybofey were fantastic in phase 1. Tyrone v Cork, Meath v Mayo and Kerry v Donegal were all good clashes. It's just all been overshadowed. It is what it is. The former Waterford hurling manager said we all get so caught up in winning, it was great to see the Laois hurling story. The fight in Donegal, Kerry, Mayo and Tyrone is also an incredible story. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8812 - 23/07/2019 22:14:15 2215486 Link
Replying To steve097: "Madrid is and was the political base for the axis of Fascists, Falangists, Royalists, Catholic conservatives and rich landowners who were and still are the sworn enemies of any form of Socialism or left-of centre politics. It's no wonder they're hated by working class Spaniards. Even out of power they continue to fight a rearguard action against Democracy. Why do you think so many foreigners joined the Republicans and gave their lives ( many Irish amongst them). Galacticos is right." I'm married to a Spanish woman from Madrid and lived there for 21 years and go back there with my Spanish passport carrying kids a few times per year. I'm here right now. Their grandfather would turn in his grave if he heard what you wrote. I'm afraid you've been reading too much pro Catalán independence international press who have bought into the Catalán narrative (A minority of Catalans btw) that they have been oppressed by Madrid. Everyone who didn't support Franco was the enemy and were oppressed be they from Andalucía, Galicia, The Basque Country, Madrid or wherever in Spain. Nothing to do with the Galactiocs. Yes he surpressed their language and culture but he also killed Madrileños who weren't on his side. I lived beside Avenida de las Trece Rosas (Avenue of the thirteen roses) in Madrid named after thirteen young Madrid women executed by Franco forces at the end of the Civil War because they were socialists From Madrid. There were thousands more of them in Madrid also executed. SOME Catalans hate Madrid that is true. Madrileños don't hate Catalans but they've become sick of this whole independence push over the past few years. I don't blame you, I blame the international media who have failed to make any effort at balanced reporting on this. In the late 90's Aznar's government (right wing btw) did a deal with the Catalans to stay in power). He gave them total autonomy over their education system so what did they do. They stopped teaching Spanish in school and had maps of Cataluña on the walls as the country they lived in. If you are "Spanish" and live in Cataluña now and want your kids to be taught throw Spanish you have to send them to private school because the Catalans won't allow it! It's this generation of Catalans who have been brainwashed into thinking they've been oppressed by Madrid but who's oppressing who? Anyway back to the GAA! Sindar (Roscommon) - Posts: 348 - 23/07/2019 22:15:59 2215490 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "The rest of the country isn't the problem here it's the blue behemoth that's killing football." And 81 Munster titles and 37 All Irelands isn't a problem ? kid your a bundle of laughs.... superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2842 - 23/07/2019 22:33:04 2215495 Link
Replying To KingdomBoy1: "The rest of the country isn't the problem here it's the blue behemoth that's killing football." Nope. Split Dublin? Ok. But everything else must be up for discussion. Let's tear it all and restart rather than just singling the Dubs out. CornAghais91 (Dublin) - Posts: 126 - 23/07/2019 22:34:06 2215496 Link