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Replying To omahant: "The 2 losers playing 2 qualifiers in the quarter-finals. I would still prefer it but Congress were not in favour. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8330 - 05/12/2024 21:30:14 That was the Mickey Harte idea -which I didn't support because both Front & Back Door streams were to be extended by one round - therefore, keeping the unbalance. I prefer: A) Prov SF 16 + Rd 1 Qual 16 B) Prov F 8 + Rd 2 Qual 16 (16 A losers) C) Prov Champs 4 Playoffs + Rd 3 Qual 20 (Rd 1&2 winners & Prov F losers) D) Rd 4 Qual 12 (Rd 3 winners & Champ losers) E) AIC QFs (Rd 4 winners & 2 unbeaten Champs) F) AIC SFs G) AIC F." Why dont you take a break for Christmas like a good man? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2003 - 06/12/2024 09:13:33 2582592 Link
Mickey Harte was a big supporter of the Champions Round idea. It was very similar to the final 8 playoffs in the AFL. Top 4 essentially playoff for semi-finals, with losers into quarter-finals. 5-8 playoff for quarter-finals without a safety net. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 06/12/2024 10:56:24 2582606 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Mickey Harte was a big supporter of the Champions Round idea. It was very similar to the final 8 playoffs in the AFL. Top 4 essentially playoff for semi-finals, with losers into quarter-finals. 5-8 playoff for quarter-finals without a safety net." A rubbish idea if ever there was one. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2003 - 06/12/2024 11:23:12 2582610 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "A rubbish idea if ever there was one." Disagree. All 4 provincial winners knocked in 2010. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 06/12/2024 12:14:39 2582619 Link
Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Why dont you take a break for Christmas like a good man?" stop been smart. people can throw out ideas. who made you the brains of the operation. relax a bit. if you disagree with someone's point or idea say why in a respectful manner The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 06/12/2024 13:34:50 2582632 Link
@The_Fridge (Tyrone) - Posts: 2093 - 06/12/2024 Cheers and Merry Christmas ! omahant (USA) - Posts: 2940 - 06/12/2024 14:41:05 2582639 Link
I like the AFL playoff format too - it operates in the Liam McCarthy Cup and I have it in my AILC idea. Although, if they bring back the old Qualifiers, for better balance, I prefer two unbeaten Champs + 6 Qualifiers to AIC QFs (instead of 2+2 to SFs, as Kerry/Dubs still get an "easy" ride to that AFL-8). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2940 - 06/12/2024 14:55:12 2582642 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "stop been smart. people can throw out ideas. who made you the brains of the operation. relax a bit. if you disagree with someone's point or idea say why in a respectful manner" And so say all of us. tireoghainabu (Tyrone) - Posts: 351 - 06/12/2024 15:17:36 2582643 Link
Replying To omahant: "I like the AFL playoff format too - it operates in the Liam McCarthy Cup and I have it in my AILC idea. Although, if they bring back the old Qualifiers, for better balance, I prefer two unbeaten Champs + 6 Qualifiers to AIC QFs (instead of 2+2 to SFs, as Kerry/Dubs still get an "easy" ride to that AFL-8)." The qualifiers don't have to come back. 1. Provincial finals & All-Ireland Round 1 (7 league qualifiers and Tailteann winner) 2. All-Ireland Round 2 (4 provincial runners up and 4 Round 1 winners) 3. Provincial Champions Round & All-Ireland Preliminary quarter-finals (4 Round 2 winners) 4. Quarter finals (2 Champions Round losers and 2 preliminary quarter-final winners) 5. All-Ireland semi-finals. The 2018 Super 8s was a glimpse of what the Champions Round would have looked like: Kerry v Galway and Dublin v Tyrone. The other Round 1 Super 8s from 2018 were a glimpse of what the Preliminary quarter-finals would have looked like: Kildare v Monaghan and Tyrone v Roscommon. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 06/12/2024 19:10:29 2582666 Link
Replying To The_Fridge: "stop been smart. people can throw out ideas. who made you the brains of the operation. relax a bit. if you disagree with someone's point or idea say why in a respectful manner" Humour in short supply as usual!! The ladeen has about 5 new systems a week. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2003 - 06/12/2024 20:42:55 2582672 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "The qualifiers don't have to come back. 1. Provincial finals & All-Ireland Round 1 (7 league qualifiers and Tailteann winner) 2. All-Ireland Round 2 (4 provincial runners up and 4 Round 1 winners) 3. Provincial Champions Round & All-Ireland Preliminary quarter-finals (4 Round 2 winners) 4. Quarter finals (2 Champions Round losers and 2 preliminary quarter-final winners) 5. All-Ireland semi-finals. The 2018 Super 8s was a glimpse of what the Champions Round would have looked like: Kerry v Galway and Dublin v Tyrone. The other Round 1 Super 8s from 2018 were a glimpse of what the Preliminary quarter-finals would have looked like: Kildare v Monaghan and Tyrone v Roscommon." How will that format improve the standard and reduce the gap in standards of intercounty football from top to bottom? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7702 - 06/12/2024 21:03:01 2582674 Link
Replying To GreenandRed: "How will that format improve the standard and reduce the gap in standards of intercounty football from top to bottom?" Jarlath Burns was making the point that the championship should be a blunt instrument. The league is there for incremental improvement. The Tailteann Cup could still retain group stage for lower ranked counties. When Cork lose to Kerry in a Munster semi-final and lose to Tyrone in an All-Ireland Round 1, do they really need a third game? If Clare lose to Kerry in a Munster final and Tyrone in an All-Ireland Round 2, do Clare really need another safety net game? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 06/12/2024 21:56:30 2582681 Link
Anyone else seeing all the videos online on how the NBA is dying ? The 3 pointers are getting a lot of the blame. I don't watch it, but GAA have copied from it, I would hope Jim Gavin is aware of the decline of interest in NBA Kew (Galway) - Posts: 115 - 06/12/2024 23:59:38 2582689 Link
Replying To Kew: "Anyone else seeing all the videos online on how the NBA is dying ? The 3 pointers are getting a lot of the blame. I don't watch it, but GAA have copied from it, I would hope Jim Gavin is aware of the decline of interest in NBA" Time will tell. The 2 pointer sounds good. Defences have to push out. The risk of taking on the long range score will be rewarded if successful. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 07/12/2024 10:43:22 2582705 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Jarlath Burns was making the point that the championship should be a blunt instrument. The league is there for incremental improvement. The Tailteann Cup could still retain group stage for lower ranked counties. When Cork lose to Kerry in a Munster semi-final and lose to Tyrone in an All-Ireland Round 1, do they really need a third game? If Clare lose to Kerry in a Munster final and Tyrone in an All-Ireland Round 2, do Clare really need another safety net game?" What have Jarlath Burns or Munster football got to do with my question in response to your post? GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7702 - 09/12/2024 13:57:29 2582889 Link
Replying To legendzxix: "Time will tell. The 2 pointer sounds good. Defences have to push out. The risk of taking on the long range score will be rewarded if successful." The big word there is "if" …. A load of long range shots going wide will soon turn people of this idiotic idea….! ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3150 - 09/12/2024 17:39:04 2582913 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "The big word there is "if" …. A load of long range shots going wide will soon turn people of this idiotic idea….!" The key will be if the 2-pointer is successful more than 50% of the time - thereby, >1 pt per attempt, better than the close range point. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2940 - 09/12/2024 21:06:53 2582945 Link
Replying To ForeverBlue2: "The big word there is "if" …. A load of long range shots going wide will soon turn people of this idiotic idea….!" Some teams might quickly realise they're wasting time for lower percentage 2 pointers when results would have been better taking quicker, high percentage, 1 pointers. It'll also be easier for teams to quickly pick out their opponents 2 point kickers and find means of minimising their output. Or maybe not. It'll be fascinating to see team tactics under these new rules. GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7702 - 09/12/2024 21:22:57 2582949 Link
The 2 pointer is throwing up interesting scenarios already. Defences will have to watch out for it, forcing them to push out some bit. If a 2 pointer is not on, a pass outside the 45 can setup an attacking mark where an advantage could lead to a goal. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8385 - 10/12/2024 08:48:06 2582970 Link
Replying To Kew: "Anyone else seeing all the videos online on how the NBA is dying ? The 3 pointers are getting a lot of the blame. I don't watch it, but GAA have copied from it, I would hope Jim Gavin is aware of the decline of interest in NBA" Over emphasis on three point shooting and much less contact being allowed are slowly killing basketball. Football will go the same way. johncreilly (Sligo) - Posts: 127 - 10/12/2024 09:35:15 2582977 Link