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Replying To TheFlaker: "It boosts the profile for sure but the Rose of Tralee has been elected to roles more than once now so I am assuming she does actual work for the people who choose her more than once??" She had a dreadful attendance record in her first term in Brussels
But in terms of work done you could be right
jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 07/11/2024 17:20:22
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Replying To TheFlaker: "A lot can change in 4 years. And that's unfair on Whitmer. That was a protest vote in a State that's not guaranteed red or blue.
Also you can't pin blame on the Obamas. They can't swing a vote that much if they are not the actual candidate." True the Obamas were not the actual candidates so you're right they can't be blamed. If I were to blame something it would be the Biden-Harris performance over the last 4 years. That's what sunk them. Trump won the Independents over in droves due to the last 4 years not being great. The Border was probably the most obvious failure.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2263 - 07/11/2024 18:20:02
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#Freethinker I'm answering your post. The thread has gone a bit weird with all the replies.
The 37800 is the CSOs figure for average median wage for 24-29 year olds. The general figure for average wage is not really relevant to young families trying to buy their first house. Any more than the average house price, which includes all the smaller 1 and 2 bed properties that aren't big enough for a family.
Most younger families don't have 2 full-time employed parents either.
Lads can massage figures to suit whatever agenda they are trying to push, but to try and claim that buying a house, not just in and around Dublin but anywhere in the country, isn't beyond most young families is just absurd.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 07/11/2024 18:29:10
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Over the next twenty to thirty years effectively we want to attempt to double the size of all of the cities in population terms outside of Dublin. The population of Ireland will currently grow by an extra 1 million people. Linked to that estimate is that half of that number wont have been born in Ireland.
Ethnic Irish people are now minorities in these towns / villages / suburb.
Irish Census 2022 Data.
Area - - Non-Irish ethnic.
Lisdoonvarna Co. Clare 67%
Ballyhaunis. Co Mayo. 63%
Clonee. Co. Meath 63%
Ballyvaughan. Co. Clare. 60%
Saggart. Co. Dublin. 60%
Edgeworth town, Co. Longford. 55%
Ballymahon. Co.Longford. 51%
Granard. Co. Longford. 47%
Gort. Co. Galway. 46%
Longford. 46%
I have no problem with a reasonable influx of people from other far away countries coming here to set up a safer home for a variety of reasons provided of course that it is all vetted, fair and equitable. Three of the 10 examples are below 50%, in my own view that is not encouraging, in fairness to the organisers of this project perhaps their choices were limited at the time.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 07/11/2024 21:41:31
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Replying To Breffni40: ""I'm alright Jack, pull the ladder up"" No, no, on the contrary. . .
Leave the ladder there, and reward anyone willing to climb it.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5194 - 07/11/2024 21:47:02
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Replying To Viking66: "#Freethinker I'm answering your post. The thread has gone a bit weird with all the replies.
The 37800 is the CSOs figure for average median wage for 24-29 year olds. The general figure for average wage is not really relevant to young families trying to buy their first house. Any more than the average house price, which includes all the smaller 1 and 2 bed properties that aren't big enough for a family.
Most younger families don't have 2 full-time employed parents either.
Lads can massage figures to suit whatever agenda they are trying to push, but to try and claim that buying a house, not just in and around Dublin but anywhere in the country, isn't beyond most young families is just absurd." .
Of course people can massage figures to suit an agenda. You're doing it!
When I called you out for mis-reporting median income, you changed the goalposts from median income to median income for 24-29 year olds.
What you failed to take into account it that the average age of first time mothers in Ireland is actually 31.5. (CSO figures for 2022)
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5194 - 07/11/2024 21:59:44
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Replying To supersub15: "Over the next twenty to thirty years effectively we want to attempt to double the size of all of the cities in population terms outside of Dublin. The population of Ireland will currently grow by an extra 1 million people. Linked to that estimate is that half of that number wont have been born in Ireland.
Ethnic Irish people are now minorities in these towns / villages / suburb.
Irish Census 2022 Data.
Area - - Non-Irish ethnic.
Lisdoonvarna Co. Clare 67%
Ballyhaunis. Co Mayo. 63%
Clonee. Co. Meath 63%
Ballyvaughan. Co. Clare. 60%
Saggart. Co. Dublin. 60%
Edgeworth town, Co. Longford. 55%
Ballymahon. Co.Longford. 51%
Granard. Co. Longford. 47%
Gort. Co. Galway. 46%
Longford. 46%
I have no problem with a reasonable influx of people from other far away countries coming here to set up a safer home for a variety of reasons provided of course that it is all vetted, fair and equitable. Three of the 10 examples are below 50%, in my own view that is not encouraging, in fairness to the organisers of this project perhaps their choices were limited at the time." If your figures are correct, it is surprising to see that of the ten towns you mention, four of them are all in one relatively small county: Longford.
Is that fair?
1/ 26 counties = 3.85%
4/10 towns = 40%
It would be interesting to see the %'s for each county based on their population.
Fully aware that many immigrants are doing great work all over the country
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 633 - 07/11/2024 22:18:22
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If you look at the outgoing presidential elections in the U.S you will notice sometimes with the benefit of hind sight that the vice president was sometimes weak.
By the same token sometimes our own political parties are structured something similar, if we look at the makeup of our current government, our Taoiseach has not been tried and tested as Taoiseach, neither has he been tried and tested as leader of his own party Fine Gael, he recently appointed the minister for justice as Deputy leader of Fine Gael.? I am in no way trying to be unfair to her but personally I just don't think Helen Mc Entee is suitable to hold the Minister for justice portfolio, another ministerial position perhaps, but not as minister for Justice, with that in mind I don't think she qualifies to be deputy leader of her party Fine Gael, it's too serious.
Leadership or lack of it has been the downfall of some political parties in recent years, it may very well effect three more parties (at least) in our forth coming general election. Namely, the Labour Party, Social Democrats, and indirectly Sinn Fein.
We are not yet ready for text book or career politicians just yet.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 07/11/2024 22:49:50
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Replying To supersub15: "Over the next twenty to thirty years effectively we want to attempt to double the size of all of the cities in population terms outside of Dublin. The population of Ireland will currently grow by an extra 1 million people. Linked to that estimate is that half of that number wont have been born in Ireland.
Ethnic Irish people are now minorities in these towns / villages / suburb.
Irish Census 2022 Data.
Area - - Non-Irish ethnic.
Lisdoonvarna Co. Clare 67%
Ballyhaunis. Co Mayo. 63%
Clonee. Co. Meath 63%
Ballyvaughan. Co. Clare. 60%
Saggart. Co. Dublin. 60%
Edgeworth town, Co. Longford. 55%
Ballymahon. Co.Longford. 51%
Granard. Co. Longford. 47%
Gort. Co. Galway. 46%
Longford. 46%
I have no problem with a reasonable influx of people from other far away countries coming here to set up a safer home for a variety of reasons provided of course that it is all vetted, fair and equitable. Three of the 10 examples are below 50%, in my own view that is not encouraging, in fairness to the organisers of this project perhaps their choices were limited at the time." What's it not encouraging for? There's a reason that percent is high for Ballyhaunis. Without it the town would be even more of a ghost town than it has become.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 08/11/2024 00:51:28
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Replying To supersub15: "If you look at the outgoing presidential elections in the U.S you will notice sometimes with the benefit of hind sight that the vice president was sometimes weak.
By the same token sometimes our own political parties are structured something similar, if we look at the makeup of our current government, our Taoiseach has not been tried and tested as Taoiseach, neither has he been tried and tested as leader of his own party Fine Gael, he recently appointed the minister for justice as Deputy leader of Fine Gael.? I am in no way trying to be unfair to her but personally I just don't think Helen Mc Entee is suitable to hold the Minister for justice portfolio, another ministerial position perhaps, but not as minister for Justice, with that in mind I don't think she qualifies to be deputy leader of her party Fine Gael, it's too serious.
Leadership or lack of it has been the downfall of some political parties in recent years, it may very well effect three more parties (at least) in our forth coming general election. Namely, the Labour Party, Social Democrats, and indirectly Sinn Fein.
We are not yet ready for text book or career politicians just yet." Are the 2 most likely people to be Taoiseach after the election (Martin and Harris) not both the definition of career politicians?
Martin is a TD since the 1980s!
And Harris hasn't worked in any form of full time employment outside of politics.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5194 - 08/11/2024 04:53:00
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Replying To cavanman47: ".
Of course people can massage figures to suit an agenda. You're doing it!
When I called you out for mis-reporting median income, you changed the goalposts from median income to median income for 24-29 year olds.
What you failed to take into account it that the average age of first time mothers in Ireland is actually 31.5. (CSO figures for 2022)" Ok. So we will forget about couples below 30 wanting to buy a house if you think they dont need one yet. Obviously noone tries to sort out a house for prospective children before they get pregnant at 30.6 years old. They wait until afterwards if you say so. Not only that, but generally it is families where both parents are working who wait until later in life to have children, the very people who can afford to buy a family home in this country in the first place. Couples who have children earlier often aren't both working full-time. Just out of interest how many do you have?
Median income for 30-39 year olds is higher, with the highest median income being for 40-49 year olds. So likely be median income for a 31 year old is closer to that of a 29 year old, while a 39 year old is likely closer to the 40-49 bracket. Makes sense as most people in career type jobs earn more as they get older.
By your own calculations though it still would take both parents to be working full-time, which not only isn't the case for many young Irish families, it probably isn't responsible parenting either.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 08/11/2024 06:46:27
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Replying To TheFlaker: "It's hardly a massive stretch to predict a Harris win lad. You are a huge expert based on saying Trump will win. I assume you posted this pre election?" Yes i did say he would win prior to election . Seemingly this makes me a fan of him.
I think limerick will win Liam and Man City will prob win premier league and I don't like either side.
once the images of him getting up with the fist up and ear bleeding it was game over for me.
A lot of posts have been removed but I did constantly tell you bookies had him odds on favourite the worse he ever was 8/11.
Other people told you he was ahead in the polls and you derided and talked down to them which is your MO on here.
I'd say you were just in denial not wanting him to win.
It was hardly Nostradamus predicting he would do same as 2016. He has a pretty extreme fan base and separately lot of people who would vote for him would keep stum to avoid been derided by the likes of you.
Now what did you say about Michael Murphy that was nonsense too
jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 08/11/2024 07:55:03
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Replying To cavanman47: "Are the 2 most likely people to be Taoiseach after the election (Martin and Harris) not both the definition of career politicians?
Martin is a TD since the 1980s!
And Harris hasn't worked in any form of full time employment outside of politics." Absolutely! Martin was involved in young FF when he was at College! Worked as a teacher for a while.
Harris didn't even finish college to pursue a career in politics. He was a councillor at 22 and a TD at 24. Interestingly started out in FF and joined FG.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13884 - 08/11/2024 08:08:46
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Replying To cavanman47: ".
Of course people can massage figures to suit an agenda. You're doing it!
When I called you out for mis-reporting median income, you changed the goalposts from median income to median income for 24-29 year olds.
What you failed to take into account it that the average age of first time mothers in Ireland is actually 31.5. (CSO figures for 2022)" Do you not think availability of housing is a factor when starting a family?
We had my son at 34. It took 6 years to buy a house. We were planning for him that whole time. We already raised a daughter with no security in our home. I've mentioned I have two college degrees and a good job. If not for the kindness of friends we'd have been homeless at Christmas when our landlord of 7 years advised we needed to vacate to facilitate sale. There were for properties rent at the time and the council list was ten years long. If the market isn't broken I'd be terrified to see what broken looks like.
Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3148 - 08/11/2024 08:22:45
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Replying To cavanman47: "Are the 2 most likely people to be Taoiseach after the election (Martin and Harris) not both the definition of career politicians?
Martin is a TD since the 1980s!
And Harris hasn't worked in any form of full time employment outside of politics." My focus is primarily on our Taoiseach & leader of Fine Gael, also on his newly appointed Deputy leader, add to that Hollie Kearns who has been recently (ish) appointed leader of the SD party, they are my definition of text book politicians, it's the changing face of politics here as in presentation first and foremost, leadership qualities and political content secondary.
As for Michael Martin leader of his Fianna Fail party, I would equate him as being a "Practical Politician" who was seriously tried and tested long before he became a Taoiseach and leader of his party, along with that he ticks all the boxes.
PS. I do not support party politics, more of a floating voter.
supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3052 - 08/11/2024 08:51:03
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Replying To jm25: "Yes i did say he would win prior to election . Seemingly this makes me a fan of him.
I think limerick will win Liam and Man City will prob win premier league and I don't like either side.
once the images of him getting up with the fist up and ear bleeding it was game over for me.
A lot of posts have been removed but I did constantly tell you bookies had him odds on favourite the worse he ever was 8/11.
Other people told you he was ahead in the polls and you derided and talked down to them which is your MO on here.
I'd say you were just in denial not wanting him to win.
It was hardly Nostradamus predicting he would do same as 2016. He has a pretty extreme fan base and separately lot of people who would vote for him would keep stum to avoid been derided by the likes of you.
Now what did you say about Michael Murphy that was nonsense too" Never said you were a fan of him I just don't remember your posts saying Trump was going to win pre election? I talk down to trolls on here. Eejits that like talking nonsense. Do you think I should entertain lads who are saying they wish we had more politicians who talk like Trump do ?
And now you are wanting me to respond to an eejit of a poster from Donegal who can't stand me because I knew things that were going on in his own county before he did. So you are being childish. You tell me what I said recently about Murphy? Or maybe the troll from Donegal will post something ?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8157 - 08/11/2024 10:00:02
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Never said you were a fan of him I just don't remember your posts saying Trump was going to win pre election? I talk down to trolls on here. Eejits that like talking nonsense. Do you think I should entertain lads who are saying they wish we had more politicians who talk like Trump do ?
And now you are wanting me to respond to an eejit of a poster from Donegal who can't stand me because I knew things that were going on in his own county before he did. So you are being childish. You tell me what I said recently about Murphy? Or maybe the troll from Donegal will post something ?" Wow that triggered you take it easy.
People just told you he was winning poles and you called them Tucker Carlson.
I don't know what u said about Murphy that's why I was asking
I'll leave you to lick the wounds good lad.
jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 08/11/2024 10:45:31
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Never said you were a fan of him I just don't remember your posts saying Trump was going to win pre election? I talk down to trolls on here. Eejits that like talking nonsense. Do you think I should entertain lads who are saying they wish we had more politicians who talk like Trump do ?
And now you are wanting me to respond to an eejit of a poster from Donegal who can't stand me because I knew things that were going on in his own county before he did. So you are being childish. You tell me what I said recently about Murphy? Or maybe the troll from Donegal will post something ?" You literally said I thought he was class you edjit
jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1285 - 08/11/2024 10:48:53
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Replying To TheFlaker: "Never said you were a fan of him I just don't remember your posts saying Trump was going to win pre election? I talk down to trolls on here. Eejits that like talking nonsense. Do you think I should entertain lads who are saying they wish we had more politicians who talk like Trump do ?
And now you are wanting me to respond to an eejit of a poster from Donegal who can't stand me because I knew things that were going on in his own county before he did. So you are being childish. You tell me what I said recently about Murphy? Or maybe the troll from Donegal will post something ?" Still obsessing over me are you? Too cute.
Rent free.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1036 - 08/11/2024 11:06:52
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Replying To cavanman47: "No, no, on the contrary. . .
Leave the ladder there, and reward anyone willing to climb it." With the greatest respect cavanman47, your outlook on this seems to all stem from your view that you yourself are the hardest working person of your generation. I mean I guess someone has to be, but that's highly subjective. Everyone else is not trying to get something for nothing. The housing market needs to be fair and transparent. It objectively is not.
Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12200 - 08/11/2024 11:16:32
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