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Replying To CW88: "Ben Curry was a non colt, currently playing midfield on the team. Wasn't on the colts due to soccer.
Overall, Carlow is not big enough for that. All underage coaches know the players. The current management did a huge amount of work during the round robin of the u16 championships in September/October and made countless phonecalls around the county about games." Bit more effort than making several phone calls required, I'm afraid.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 311 - 12/02/2025 22:14:09
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Replying To Barrowsider: "That's disappointing to hear about the minors. Hopefully that improves. From what I heard a lot of the stronger lads were left on the bench maybe they are trying things out but as far as I know now they have been training all winter so you would expect them to be a bit stronger than they are. I was surprised to see so many from what would be this year's 16s on it. I'm not sure we rewarded players that played well in the regional tournaments. Hopefully this is a blip and things improve.
Carlow gaa can be a bit of a closed shop for coaches as you get to minor level. It's very much a case of being in the clique." I would've thought they'd be crying out for coaches as I know it was advertised last year for Colts. Have you had a different experience.
Regarding the younger lads on the minor panel I could be wrong but I think there's only 4 that are U16 and imo based on what I saw in regional competition there could be more….
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Replying To Bracker1984: "You would imagine that would be the case re picking the right squad but they seem to be more looking at blooding u16s for next year with the of age minors a secondary thought for now. That scoreline from yesterday won't be the last trouncing they get this year. Shameful given the talent available to management this year." This is what is said every year blood for next year but what happens in practice is you have disenfranchised plenty of full age players and have 15 year olds getting hidings playing up a year
Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1688 - 13/02/2025 12:41:20
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Replying To SofaSupporter: "I would've thought they'd be crying out for coaches as I know it was advertised last year for Colts. Have you had a different experience.
Regarding the younger lads on the minor panel I could be wrong but I think there's only 4 that are U16 and imo based on what I saw in regional competition there could be more…." I was in town yesterday and bumped into a man I know who used to do some coaching. He said some volunteers have walked away because they resent working with full-time coaches who are paid salary and expenses. His point was that if he drives to Kilkenny for a match, it's out of his own pocket - while other lads are getting mileage and their wage. Can anyone confirm if this is an issue? It sounded incredible to me that it could be happening.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 777 - 13/02/2025 15:09:12
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Replying To CARPS: "I was in town yesterday and bumped into a man I know who used to do some coaching. He said some volunteers have walked away because they resent working with full-time coaches who are paid salary and expenses. His point was that if he drives to Kilkenny for a match, it's out of his own pocket - while other lads are getting mileage and their wage. Can anyone confirm if this is an issue? It sounded incredible to me that it could be happening." Yea underage is totally voluntary for coaches, GDA's on the otherhand include the colts as part of their working week so are paid their hourly and are paid then for their travel on top of this
more4me (Carlow) - Posts: 109 - 13/02/2025 15:46:34
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Replying To more4me: "Yea underage is totally voluntary for coaches, GDA's on the otherhand include the colts as part of their working week so are paid their hourly and are paid then for their travel on top of this" That's the same everywhere to my knowledge or anywhere i know of at least. In fairness we're trying to burn the candle both ends keeping development squads going in hurling and football, and rightly so, whereas some counties don't bother a jot in developing hurling underage squads. I can't see how we could start paying mileage to volunteers as well - the money just isn't there. GPOs getting mileage is fair enough in my opinion.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1470 - 13/02/2025 16:04:29
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Replying To Onion Breath: "That's the same everywhere to my knowledge or anywhere i know of at least. In fairness we're trying to burn the candle both ends keeping development squads going in hurling and football, and rightly so, whereas some counties don't bother a jot in developing hurling underage squads. I can't see how we could start paying mileage to volunteers as well - the money just isn't there. GPOs getting mileage is fair enough in my opinion." Why do you think it's fair enough for GPO's to get expenses - but not volunteers - if they are basically doing the same thing?
I can see how this would easily breed resentment.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 777 - 13/02/2025 17:03:13
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Replying To CARPS: "Why do you think it's fair enough for GPO's to get expenses - but not volunteers - if they are basically doing the same thing?
I can see how this would easily breed resentment." I can see how it would but that's what you sign up for in lots of volunteer roles. You're doing it for a different reason to the guy who does it for a job. It happens every day of the week across society eg in social services like homeless services, addiction etc. Also in health service with volunteer ambulances etc. In times of emergency volunteers work alongside front line services who are being paid as it's their job often doing the exact same work side by side. If you're motivated to volunteer you sometimes have to accept that. If you don't like it you simply stop.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1470 - 13/02/2025 20:38:04
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Replying To CARPS: "Why do you think it's fair enough for GPO's to get expenses - but not volunteers - if they are basically doing the same thing?
I can see how this would easily breed resentment." It's part of the terms and conditions of their full time job…. Their expenses allowance is part of their salary. It's not like they're getting expenses when they volunteer to take a team and a full volunteer doesn't
benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 43 - 13/02/2025 21:27:26
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Replying To Onion Breath: "That's the same everywhere to my knowledge or anywhere i know of at least. In fairness we're trying to burn the candle both ends keeping development squads going in hurling and football, and rightly so, whereas some counties don't bother a jot in developing hurling underage squads. I can't see how we could start paying mileage to volunteers as well - the money just isn't there. GPOs getting mileage is fair enough in my opinion." This is the point . We are up against it in comparison to other dual counties. We have a very small geographical area allied to a small population.Even compared to dual counties of similar size Offaly, laois have bigger populations and bigger areas That's not to excuse our abysmal showing in underage for the past number of years tho. That has to be laid firmly at the door of GPOs.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 311 - 13/02/2025 23:36:45
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Replying To Overthebar53: "This is the point . We are up against it in comparison to other dual counties. We have a very small geographical area allied to a small population.Even compared to dual counties of similar size Offaly, laois have bigger populations and bigger areas That's not to excuse our abysmal showing in underage for the past number of years tho. That has to be laid firmly at the door of GPOs." The GPOs aren't coaching every club team in the county…clubs need to have at look at their own practices before they start pointing fingers!!! I was at a few of the 10 a side minor hurling league games last year and the standard was absolutely shocking. Lads not able to strike a ball at 17 years of age. How the hell do they pass through their whole underage career and not learn to strike a ball off both sides like?
benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 43 - 14/02/2025 08:15:54
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Replying To Barrowsider: "This is what is said every year blood for next year but what happens in practice is you have disenfranchised plenty of full age players and have 15 year olds getting hidings playing up a year" Exactly. Happens year after year after year. Then everyone wonders why lads don't want to pull on a shirt and commit at senior level
Bracker1984 (Carlow) - Posts: 18 - 14/02/2025 10:54:39
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Same team named again for tomorrow night down in Wexford. I dunno what Cake is at.
Wexford have a strong 15 named with loads of scoring potential.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1470 - 14/02/2025 14:00:38
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Replying To benchtoaster: "It's part of the terms and conditions of their full time job…. Their expenses allowance is part of their salary. It's not like they're getting expenses when they volunteer to take a team and a full volunteer doesn't" My point is I can see how volunteers could resent this - and it might turn people off giving up their time.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 777 - 14/02/2025 17:57:49
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Replying To Onion Breath: "I can see how it would but that's what you sign up for in lots of volunteer roles. You're doing it for a different reason to the guy who does it for a job. It happens every day of the week across society eg in social services like homeless services, addiction etc. Also in health service with volunteer ambulances etc. In times of emergency volunteers work alongside front line services who are being paid as it's their job often doing the exact same work side by side. If you're motivated to volunteer you sometimes have to accept that. If you don't like it you simply stop." You can't compare coaching sports teams to stuff like homeless services and ambulance. That said, you're right: it does seem a lot of people don't like it and are simply stopping.
CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 777 - 14/02/2025 17:58:51
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Replying To Onion Breath: "Same team named again for tomorrow night down in Wexford. I dunno what Cake is at.
Wexford have a strong 15 named with loads of scoring potential." Trust in Cake. The man no doubt has a cunning tactical masterplan. Fully expect a comprehensive victory tomorrow night. We are blessed with a visionary coach - and a first class county board. They scoured the country to get the best man for the job.
Ceatharlach abú, cáca milis abú! The sunlit uplands of Division Three await us.
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Replying To CARPS: "Trust in Cake. The man no doubt has a cunning tactical masterplan. Fully expect a comprehensive victory tomorrow night. We are blessed with a visionary coach - and a first class county board. They scoured the country to get the best man for the job.
Ceatharlach abú, cáca milis abú! The sunlit uplands of Division Three await us." You may as well make a joke of it cos that's the way this is going to end.
Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 311 - 15/02/2025 01:15:05
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I just don't understand what he's at. He assembles a squad of 39 which is huge (especially for us when due to our size the pool is always going to be shallow) but ok I suppose in fairness he knows nothing about Carlow football so you'd think he'd spend the early part of the league looking at players in competitive matches.
But instead he's picked just 16 of those players to start each game (and it would have been the same 15 for each match only Ciarán Moran got injured in the first game). And the subs are the same each week also. So a whole other bunch of lads about 14 of them not getting a look in. And on top of that he then says the door is open to others to be brought in to the squad who haven't been able to commit so far. I'd say the lads not getting a look in will be impressed if he does that.
Still no sign of choo choo featuring which is a pity as he'd be an important player to win ball and drive at Wexford tonight as we're definitely up against it. It can't go as bad as the championship did down there last year I suppose but I'm not optimistic travelling down this evening that we'll give them a decent game on basis of what I saw in first two games when we were very patchy and wasteful with the many chances we got. We'll get far fewer tonight. Delighted if cake proves me wrong.
Onion Breath (Carlow) - Posts: 1470 - 15/02/2025 13:10:48
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Replying To Onion Breath: "I just don't understand what he's at. He assembles a squad of 39 which is huge (especially for us when due to our size the pool is always going to be shallow) but ok I suppose in fairness he knows nothing about Carlow football so you'd think he'd spend the early part of the league looking at players in competitive matches.
But instead he's picked just 16 of those players to start each game (and it would have been the same 15 for each match only Ciarán Moran got injured in the first game). And the subs are the same each week also. So a whole other bunch of lads about 14 of them not getting a look in. And on top of that he then says the door is open to others to be brought in to the squad who haven't been able to commit so far. I'd say the lads not getting a look in will be impressed if he does that.
Still no sign of choo choo featuring which is a pity as he'd be an important player to win ball and drive at Wexford tonight as we're definitely up against it. It can't go as bad as the championship did down there last year I suppose but I'm not optimistic travelling down this evening that we'll give them a decent game on basis of what I saw in first two games when we were very patchy and wasteful with the many chances we got. We'll get far fewer tonight. Delighted if cake proves me wrong." All part of Cake's Masterplan. A manager with his ability doesn't need to rotate squads. Success will make lads fight to stay on the panel. We just need to trust the process. Wexford won't know what hit them.. Confidentially predict a comfortable victory. Cake will send shockwaves through Leinster tonight. And vindicate the vision of our incredible and much loved County Board.
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Replying To Onion Breath: "I just don't understand what he's at. He assembles a squad of 39 which is huge (especially for us when due to our size the pool is always going to be shallow) but ok I suppose in fairness he knows nothing about Carlow football so you'd think he'd spend the early part of the league looking at players in competitive matches.
But instead he's picked just 16 of those players to start each game (and it would have been the same 15 for each match only Ciarán Moran got injured in the first game). And the subs are the same each week also. So a whole other bunch of lads about 14 of them not getting a look in. And on top of that he then says the door is open to others to be brought in to the squad who haven't been able to commit so far. I'd say the lads not getting a look in will be impressed if he does that.
Still no sign of choo choo featuring which is a pity as he'd be an important player to win ball and drive at Wexford tonight as we're definitely up against it. It can't go as bad as the championship did down there last year I suppose but I'm not optimistic travelling down this evening that we'll give them a decent game on basis of what I saw in first two games when we were very patchy and wasteful with the many chances we got. We'll get far fewer tonight. Delighted if cake proves me wrong." Is jamie clarke fit?
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