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Replying To Neartheborder: "Ref done Derry out of a win, couple that with your cheating and you'll get a truer picture." If the ref was any way competent Derry wouldn't have even been in with a chance to win it
Ros13 (Roscommon) - Posts: 109 - 14/03/2022 10:13:03
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Replying To Neartheborder: "Ref done Derry out of a win, couple that with your cheating and you'll get a truer picture." You obviously were not at the game. Ref gave Derry everything and kept them in the game. Was Derrys best player for the second half. Derrys antics were as bad as i have seen. Didnt want to play football just wrestle. McKeague let himself down massively yesterday. First time to see a player i admired in the flesh and he was nothing short of a disgrace. As for your manager i wont go into it. Embarressing
sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1144 - 14/03/2022 10:23:20
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Anyone that was at the game yesterday saw that from the start of the second half Derry players came out and dragged the game into just a dirty game. Last night's coverage on rte was a joke and the panel obviously didn't see game because if they had they would have seen on our last attack Brian stack was making a run forward and McGuigan dragged him to the ground. Derry turned us over and went on attack and stack done the same to him. Also just before half time I believe it was McGuigan who struck Donie smith. You would have to be at the game yesterday to see what went on and Rory Gallagher saying Roscommon were very cynical was laughable.
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1051 - 14/03/2022 11:13:15
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Gallagher should have been sent to the Stand by the 15th minute.
Instead he got a meaningless yellow card well into the 2nd half .
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1413 - 14/03/2022 12:05:53
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Replying To dave1988: "Anyone that was at the game yesterday saw that from the start of the second half Derry players came out and dragged the game into just a dirty game. Last night's coverage on rte was a joke and the panel obviously didn't see game because if they had they would have seen on our last attack Brian stack was making a run forward and McGuigan dragged him to the ground. Derry turned us over and went on attack and stack done the same to him. Also just before half time I believe it was McGuigan who struck Donie smith. You would have to be at the game yesterday to see what went on and Rory Gallagher saying Roscommon were very cynical was laughable." Poor Roscommon, seem to remember another occasion in a U21 final when everyone else was to blame.
Neartheborder (Derry) - Posts: 56 - 14/03/2022 12:22:42
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Replying To sourmilk93: "You obviously were not at the game. Ref gave Derry everything and kept them in the game. Was Derrys best player for the second half. Derrys antics were as bad as i have seen. Didnt want to play football just wrestle. McKeague let himself down massively yesterday. First time to see a player i admired in the flesh and he was nothing short of a disgrace. As for your manager i wont go into it. Embarressing" He clearly wasn't. Taking to a Derry lad involved in their county board he said less than 100 Derry supporters traveled to the game yesterday, that has to be one of the worst traveling support in Hyde Park ever? and Derry meant to be on a high and pushing for promotion.
As for the Derry manager, he's lucky to be on the sideline v Galway and they better be ready for their antics on and off the field next Sunday.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3751 - 14/03/2022 12:43:55
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Replying To Neartheborder: "Poor Roscommon, seem to remember another occasion in a U21 final when everyone else was to blame." Under 21 final when everyone else was to blame?? Think you are mistaken.
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1051 - 14/03/2022 13:17:59
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Very strange game yesterday that could have gone either way.
I felt that the manner in which the Derry manager Rory Gallagher approached the game was very poor and does no service to our great game.
1. He never stopped complaining to the linesmen and referee from the first minute to the last and should have been yellow carded much earlier and red carded before the end. He is certainly not showing a good example to his players and support staff about being cool under pressure.
2. He clearly set him team out to immediately intimidate the Roscommon team in the second half, by hitting / pulling off the ball, sledging (Chrissy McKaigue in particular). Roscommon had no option but to react which resulted in a terrible second half. I also acknowledge that we not a team of angles ourselves.
3. His style of play / coaching with 15 men behind the ball is destroying the game again. Himself and Jim McGuinness have a lot to answer for! I believe that players of the quality of Chrissy McKaigue, Brendan Rogers, Conor Glass and Shane McGuigan etc deserve more. At least Roscommon have moved on somewhat, from a similar negative game plan which existed last year.
I personally thought that the referee lost control of the game and both teams can feel hard done by. The best thing that you could say about his performance was that he was consistently inconsistent.
I thought that the RTE's coverage of the game was very poor. There was no real discussion on the major talking point from a Roscommon perspective of why the referee pulled back Cathal Heneghan when through on an open goal which may have put Roscommon 8 points clear.
On a positive note:
There was some excellent points scored when under severe pressure.
We created several goal and point chances which we did not take. Hopefully we can improve on our score taking over the next few weeks.
Keith Doyle looks to be developing well in the last few games and gives us a good option if Nolan or Harney are having an off day. In fact he is really put his hand up for selection. All our mid fielders, including Doyle look to have improved their fitness and mobility and speed around the park since last year.
We showed a bit of fight when we went behind while playing against the strong wind, to get a draw.
Hopefully we will have lots of supporters in Tullamore next Sunday, as Offaly have improved significantly since the start of the season. We really have to beat both Offaly and Galway to get promotion this year. I think we can do it if the team plays to its potential.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 501 - 14/03/2022 13:40:49
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Very strange game yesterday that could have gone either way.
I felt that the manner in which the Derry manager Rory Gallagher approached the game was very poor and does no service to our great game.
1. He never stopped complaining to the linesmen and referee from the first minute to the last and should have been yellow carded much earlier and red carded before the end. He is certainly not showing a good example to his players and support staff about being cool under pressure.
2. He clearly set him team out to immediately intimidate the Roscommon team in the second half, by hitting / pulling off the ball, sledging (Chrissy McKaigue in particular). Roscommon had no option but to react which resulted in a terrible second half. I also acknowledge that we not a team of angles ourselves.
3. His style of play / coaching with 15 men behind the ball is destroying the game again. Himself and Jim McGuinness have a lot to answer for! I believe that players of the quality of Chrissy McKaigue, Brendan Rogers, Conor Glass and Shane McGuigan etc deserve more. At least Roscommon have moved on somewhat, from a similar negative game plan which existed last year.
I personally thought that the referee lost control of the game and both teams can feel hard done by. The best thing that you could say about his performance was that he was consistently inconsistent.
I thought that the RTE's coverage of the game was very poor. There was no real discussion on the major talking point from a Roscommon perspective of why the referee pulled back Cathal Heneghan when through on an open goal which may have put Roscommon 8 points clear.
On a positive note:
There was some excellent points scored when under severe pressure.
We created several goal and point chances which we did not take. Hopefully we can improve on our score taking over the next few weeks.
Keith Doyle looks to be developing well in the last few games and gives us a good option if Nolan or Harney are having an off day. In fact he is really put his hand up for selection. All our mid fielders, including Doyle look to have improved their fitness and mobility and speed around the park since last year.
We showed a bit of fight when we went behind while playing against the strong wind, to get a draw.
Hopefully we will have lots of supporters in Tullamore next Sunday, as Offaly have improved significantly since the start of the season. We really have to beat both Offaly and Galway to get promotion this year. I think we can do it if the team plays to its potential." Ya few people around me yesterday were saying how good Nolan looked on and off the ball. He's very comfortable on the ball and as you said he can definitely move. I'm delighted Harney is staying fit because I rate him as one of our best footballers. If he stays fit he's going to be so important for us. Think he's been brilliant this year in midfield. Doyle really impressed me yesterday for the short time he was on and he's another lad who's mobility as just improved so much I can't understand. For the u20s last year he looked stiff and slow but was always a very good intelligent footballer and he's only going to get better. He took his point very well under so much pressure. One player I really thought would be brought into panel is Conal Kennelly. Saw him a good few times this year and was really impressed with him. Is he part of panel or training with team ?
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1051 - 14/03/2022 14:54:23
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Now i thought the ref was poor but he was poor for both. the heneghan goal chance was a disgrace it was brought back for the free in.
Rory Gallagher didnt cover himself in glory roaring and shouting at the ref and linesman every chance he got.
Chrissy Mckeague was a clown as well but Cox and Donie Smith werent innocent in the shamozzlle.
Brian Stack also instigated the pulling and dragging of shane mcguigan which led to getting him sent off.
There was dark arts all over the field from both sides and the ref lost control. Good for roscommon to be involved in a game like that will stand to them against the better teams.
Very impressed with the new starters this year eoin mccormack, eddie nolan and richard hughes have really impressed.
I think we have finally found a midfielder in eddie nolan and if we can keep ultan fit and injury free he is another goof addition around the middle. Two wins will see us promoted and i think it is well and truly in them - i would worry a small bit about the bench
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Replying To dave1988: "Ya few people around me yesterday were saying how good Nolan looked on and off the ball. He's very comfortable on the ball and as you said he can definitely move. I'm delighted Harney is staying fit because I rate him as one of our best footballers. If he stays fit he's going to be so important for us. Think he's been brilliant this year in midfield. Doyle really impressed me yesterday for the short time he was on and he's another lad who's mobility as just improved so much I can't understand. For the u20s last year he looked stiff and slow but was always a very good intelligent footballer and he's only going to get better. He took his point very well under so much pressure. One player I really thought would be brought into panel is Conal Kennelly. Saw him a good few times this year and was really impressed with him. Is he part of panel or training with team ?" Do not know if Conal Kennelly is involved at the moment.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 501 - 14/03/2022 16:27:55
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No need for either side to be whinging about the ref. Players left it an impossible task for him and I'm not sure what the 4th official was at with amount of people from both backroom teams on the sideline. Yes he made mistakes same as the players but he got most things right.
Roscommon appeared to get some soft frees in first half and theibwas balanced out in the second. Both sides were more intent with not losing rather than going to win it..
The balance of the Ross team is not right and Enda Smith needs to move to wing and Ciaran Murtagh back to centre forward. Cathal Heneghan offensively did well when he came on but was totally exposed on at least three occasions for Dery points in 2nd half so nothing has changed with our shape from last two seasons. We are struggling to score goals and that will be crucial come championship against far tougher opponents.
A number of players cut from squad last week including Conal Kennelly and Cathal Kenny to name but a few.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 273 - 15/03/2022 15:12:39
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "No need for either side to be whinging about the ref. Players left it an impossible task for him and I'm not sure what the 4th official was at with amount of people from both backroom teams on the sideline. Yes he made mistakes same as the players but he got most things right.
Roscommon appeared to get some soft frees in first half and theibwas balanced out in the second. Both sides were more intent with not losing rather than going to win it..
The balance of the Ross team is not right and Enda Smith needs to move to wing and Ciaran Murtagh back to centre forward. Cathal Heneghan offensively did well when he came on but was totally exposed on at least three occasions for Dery points in 2nd half so nothing has changed with our shape from last two seasons. We are struggling to score goals and that will be crucial come championship against far tougher opponents.
A number of players cut from squad last week including Conal Kennelly and Cathal Kenny to name but a few." Work-rate and tackling of forwards is a big issue. Apart from Kilroy, none of them are in any way defensively minded. When you compare to the likes of Mayo who put on relentless pressure from the front we are miles off. It's hard to know what can be done to improve it. I know conditions aren't great for kickers but I think McKeon should be on frees instead of Cox - anytime I've seen him he looks more efficient.
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I agree with the recent posts by smokie ross and by primrose and blue. Very relevant points that should be taken into consideration but not necessarily implemented. However, the management team see a lot more than we do on the training ground so we have to trust their opinion and gut feeling to a large extent. The opposition also has to be taken into consideration. The full back requirements facing Michael Murphy (Donegal) would be different to Michael Hurley (Cork), for example. It depends on the situation you face. It might mean that Brian Stack or say Conor Daly could interchange between full back and corner back for example during a game. I would expect the management team to come up with a better game plan than I would. That is their job. We have to trust their expertise and on-field decision making to a large extent. (situational leadership to a large extent) However all opinions are welcome for them to consider.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 501 - 15/03/2022 17:28:28
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "Work-rate and tackling of forwards is a big issue. Apart from Kilroy, none of them are in any way defensively minded. When you compare to the likes of Mayo who put on relentless pressure from the front we are miles off. It's hard to know what can be done to improve it. I know conditions aren't great for kickers but I think McKeon should be on frees instead of Cox - anytime I've seen him he looks more efficient." Ciaran Murtagh is the 5th highest scorer for Roscommon of all time why is he not on the frees like he was for years. Seems to be an anti Murtagh thing with this manager in recent years along with others. Hopefully Keith Doyle can get an injury free run. Very injury prone in recent years which has held him back a bit.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 273 - 15/03/2022 21:36:23
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "Ciaran Murtagh is the 5th highest scorer for Roscommon of all time why is he not on the frees like he was for years. Seems to be an anti Murtagh thing with this manager in recent years along with others. Hopefully Keith Doyle can get an injury free run. Very injury prone in recent years which has held him back a bit." Scoring over 20 goals would be one of the reason to be one of the highest scorers. The All-Ireland semi final loss to trim recently wasn't helped by Murtagh missing a number of scoreable frees he's as hit or miss on frees as the rest and Roscommon fowards and its a team that have no long range free taker.
What do you mean anti Murtaghs, from what i see Murtaghs when available for selection have featured in all key games and you can't start D Smith, Cox and the two Murtaghs together as are too simliar
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Replying To Yondu: "Scoring over 20 goals would be one of the reason to be one of the highest scorers. The All-Ireland semi final loss to trim recently wasn't helped by Murtagh missing a number of scoreable frees he's as hit or miss on frees as the rest and Roscommon fowards and its a team that have no long range free taker.
What do you mean anti Murtaghs, from what i see Murtaghs when available for selection have featured in all key games and you can't start D Smith, Cox and the two Murtaghs together as are too simliar" SmokieRoss is known for his odd comments on here and that "Anti Murtaghs" comment is up there with his oddest one yet.
Ciaran Murtagh has been a regular starter since he returned to the panel last year. I personally would have given the Faithleachs, Pearses players more of extended break after a long club season and ideally the Offaly game would have been the first match to introduce them back.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3751 - 16/03/2022 14:02:20
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Replying To Yondu: "Scoring over 20 goals would be one of the reason to be one of the highest scorers. The All-Ireland semi final loss to trim recently wasn't helped by Murtagh missing a number of scoreable frees he's as hit or miss on frees as the rest and Roscommon fowards and its a team that have no long range free taker.
What do you mean anti Murtaghs, from what i see Murtaghs when available for selection have featured in all key games and you can't start D Smith, Cox and the two Murtaghs together as are too simliar" I agree with The Analyser that the Faithleachs and Pearses lads probably should have had more of a break. Ciaran Murtagh hasn't looked near his best for Faithleachs or Roscommon of late and no doubt a few extra weeks would have done him the world of good. I think Ciaran when fully fit is as good a forward as anyone in the country. His free taking is normally excellent and the last few matches for club and county he just looks jaded. Hopefully he'll get back to his best as his ability is unquestionable. Looking forward to Sunday and hopefully another win away from home. No doubt John Maughan will have Offaly fired up for this encounter. Any update on Conor Hussey and Conor Daly?
ComainRos (Roscommon) - Posts: 104 - 16/03/2022 15:01:03
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Same 15 as last week named.
Rumours Paul Carey on the bench. I'd like to see him get a run out if he is.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1413 - 19/03/2022 15:35:36
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Unchanged team a little bit surprised at that. Opportunity for Paul Carey to make his debut as he's on the bench, hopefully Conor Daly, Conor Hussey are deemed match fit for the 26 this weekend.
Offaly have improved greatly since the start of the league, the mix of youth and experienced blending well for them now and will likely bring out their biggest following to O'Connor Park this year for this game. We need to be fully switched on and focused for this Derby encounter.
Best of luck to all the Roscommon players tomorrow.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3751 - 19/03/2022 15:46:24
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