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Replying To KillingFields:  "They have others in their management team doing it and they're all using statistics a lot.
Stat Sports who have an office based in Limerick work with loads of the pro soccer clubs.
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Totally irrelevant. The topic is about managers/coaches sitting on the sideline wearing earpieces.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2478 - 24/07/2021 15:54:26    2363474

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "They have others in their management team doing it and they're all using statistics a lot.
Stat Sports who have an office based in Limerick work with loads of the pro soccer clubs.
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Totally irrelevant. The topic is about managers/coaches sitting on the sideline wearing earpieces."
That is relevant as they can get the info from people using stats like the ones the company i linked to and they would have people in stands collating that data...

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 24/07/2021 16:31:54    2363502

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Bizarre thread. A lot of "I don't understand what's going on and it makes me angry".

Liam Sheedy is the first manager I remember using an earpiece, and he's done pretty well against Brian Cody...

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1646 - 24/07/2021 16:51:14    2363508

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Replying To CastleBravo:  "Bizarre thread. A lot of "I don't understand what's going on and it makes me angry".

Liam Sheedy is the first manager I remember using an earpiece, and he's done pretty well against Brian Cody..."
Conor Counihan Cork used one too.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3678 - 24/07/2021 17:24:33    2363518

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Replying To Breezy:  "I'm old and these kids nowadays are doing things that confuse and scare me waawaawaa"
Spot on.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1913 - 24/07/2021 17:24:39    2363519

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Replying To Breezy:  "I'm old and these kids nowadays are doing things that confuse and scare me waawaawaa"
I'm young and I'm going to show everyone how innovative and sophisticated I am by using an earpiece so someone in the stand can tell me what is happening on the pitch even though I'm literally right there on the sideline watching the same match.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1721 - 24/07/2021 18:14:35    2363528

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To KillingFields:  "They have others in their management team doing it and they're all using statistics a lot.
Stat Sports who have an office based in Limerick work with loads of the pro soccer clubs.
link"
Totally irrelevant. The topic is about managers/coaches sitting on the sideline wearing earpieces."
Well that's a cop out if ever there was one.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/07/2021 18:26:01    2363535

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm young and I'm going to show everyone how innovative and sophisticated I am by using an earpiece so someone in the stand can tell me what is happening on the pitch even though I'm literally right there on the sideline watching the same match."
Ha ha. Well said. I'd love to know how often a manager has actually used anything heard in an earpiece to do something transformative in a game.If the view from the stand is better, go sit there. I've seen them used at club level when there wasn't even a stand. God knows where the person on the other end was located. It's fair embarrassing using one and watching your team kick 21 yard frees wide. Get the basics right I say.

Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 75 - 24/07/2021 18:58:43    2363547

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm young and I'm going to show everyone how innovative and sophisticated I am by using an earpiece so someone in the stand can tell me what is happening on the pitch even though I'm literally right there on the sideline watching the same match."
Well not exactly, the manager on the sideline has probably the worst view of all , the spotters will get a better overview from an elevated position in the stands and that's why some managers use them.

In the US they also use qualified spotters in the stands to pick up on any injuries that may have been missed from the sideline, particularly concussion.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/07/2021 19:02:23    2363550

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It's actually hilarious that people on here think coaches are using them for the craic as if they don't help in any way.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/07/2021 19:09:05    2363555

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Well not exactly, the manager on the sideline has probably the worst view of all , the spotters will get a better overview from an elevated position in the stands and that's why some managers use them.

In the US they also use qualified spotters in the stands to pick up on any injuries that may have been missed from the sideline, particularly concussion."
Manager should be sat in the stand then. Earpiece or not, a fella shouldn't be managing a team if he doesn't even watch the game properly.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1721 - 24/07/2021 19:13:10    2363560

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "It's actually hilarious that people on here think coaches are using them for the craic as if they don't help in any way."
Sometimes in the business world it seems as if projecting an image of success is more important than achieving success, like those spoofers who drive brand new cars and live in huge houses until the taxman raids his home in the early hours and he ends up being declared bankrupt.
This kind of spoofery has entered the sports world too,, "your I can is more important than your IQ",, etc etc,, these earpieces are about projecting an image of professionalism and motivation to the fans, county board, I doubt they achieve anything too great results wise

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1721 - 24/07/2021 19:19:17    2363564

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Replying To Rebel2020:  "Ha ha. Well said. I'd love to know how often a manager has actually used anything heard in an earpiece to do something transformative in a game.If the view from the stand is better, go sit there. I've seen them used at club level when there wasn't even a stand. God knows where the person on the other end was located. It's fair embarrassing using one and watching your team kick 21 yard frees wide. Get the basics right I say."
Have you ever used them yourself?

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6031 - 24/07/2021 19:26:12    2363568

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Manager should be sat in the stand then. Earpiece or not, a fella shouldn't be managing a team if he doesn't even watch the game properly."
No, it's important that the manager is on the sideline to be able to communicate with players on the pitch as much as he can, often relaying instructions which may have been influenced by a spotter, and of course to give direct instructions to substitutes.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 24/07/2021 19:37:55    2363579

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Sometimes in the business world it seems as if projecting an image of success is more important than achieving success, like those spoofers who drive brand new cars and live in huge houses until the taxman raids his home in the early hours and he ends up being declared bankrupt.
This kind of spoofery has entered the sports world too,, "your I can is more important than your IQ",, etc etc,, these earpieces are about projecting an image of professionalism and motivation to the fans, county board, I doubt they achieve anything too great results wise"
Great post again. It's like the famous saying " Just because you are doing a lot more, doesn't mean you are getting a lot more done "

Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 75 - 24/07/2021 19:40:26    2363581

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Replying To Galway9801:  "I'm young and I'm going to show everyone how innovative and sophisticated I am by using an earpiece so someone in the stand can tell me what is happening on the pitch even though I'm literally right there on the sideline watching the same match."
Its to gain insights into things you wont or might miss by being on the sideline or gaining data you wont be able to get from being on the sideline.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 24/07/2021 19:53:22    2363587

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "No, it's important that the manager is on the sideline to be able to communicate with players on the pitch as much as he can, often relaying instructions which may have been influenced by a spotter, and of course to give direct instructions to substitutes."
A managers job is to manage the team, and analyse the game. Pretty much any member of the staff can communicate his instructions to the players.
For me earpieces are no different to some self help guru giving a speech to a crowd whilst wearing a headset. It's part of the image, that's all, but look maybe they're essential. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe had Cody worn an earpiece he might have managed kilkenny to 12 all Irelands, and not just the measly 11 he won without one. I'm not really too bothered either way, I'm not fussed enough about the topic to be going at it forever and a day.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1721 - 24/07/2021 20:04:18    2363594

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Replying To Greengrass:  "Premiership clubs invest significant money in analysis. They are using technology. They have members of their backroom team mixed up to members of their management teams. Every field sport is using technology. Do you not see the rugby management teams sitting in front of laptops."
And what's your point?

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 24/07/2021 20:13:12    2363598

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Sometimes in the business world it seems as if projecting an image of success is more important than achieving success, like those spoofers who drive brand new cars and live in huge houses until the taxman raids his home in the early hours and he ends up being declared bankrupt.
This kind of spoofery has entered the sports world too,, "your I can is more important than your IQ",, etc etc,, these earpieces are about projecting an image of professionalism and motivation to the fans, county board, I doubt they achieve anything too great results wise"
There are spoofers in every walk of life but to suggest the likes of Jim Gavin, James Horan and Liam Sheedy etc wear earpieces for show is absolutely laughable.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 7907 - 24/07/2021 20:22:01    2363602

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "There are spoofers in every walk of life but to suggest the likes of Jim Gavin, James Horan and Liam Sheedy etc wear earpieces for show is absolutely laughable."
Maybe to say they're for show might be a bit harsh,, but in terms of preparing a team to win, a manager must (a) train them properly, get them fit, motivated, develop a clear game plan, as well as a plan b, c, d,, and (b), deal with the media, say all the right things publicly, wear a t shirt with "bainisteoir" on it, prowl the side line with a look of intense focus,, look devastated when things go wrong , id put earpieces closer to the b camp than the a one.

For the record, can anyone give me an example of what someone in the stand speaking into an earpiece during a game would be able to say to a manager that that manager shouldn't already know, keeping in mind he's watching the same game?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1721 - 24/07/2021 20:53:16    2363621

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