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The Andy Mc Factor - Tailteann Cup

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So we, have it a semi final against one of our own , I foresee we should have too much fire power , but little did Andy think in his wildest dreams this would would happen, a meeting with his home turf.

Oldsam (Meath) - Posts: 32 - 19/06/2023 09:26:50    2487066

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Replying To Oldsam:  "So we, have it a semi final against one of our own , I foresee we should have too much fire power , but little did Andy think in his wildest dreams this would would happen, a meeting with his home turf."
Fantastic scoreline against Wexford. I didnt see a win of that nature coming. Very well done to all!

I am very excited for the semi final vs. Antrim. The McEntee factor adds so much spice to the affair. Will be an interesting week!

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 596 - 19/06/2023 09:35:41    2487073

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Meath should be winning this one.
I know Andy knows a lot about Meath but at the end of the day they are a division 3 team who struggled to stay in division 3 this year.

bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1402 - 19/06/2023 09:44:31    2487080

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We will win. I know Andy will not have wanted this and on taking over Antrim one of the things he said that he wouldn't like to face his own county but he suspected it wouldn't happen this year anyway. But here it is. We will win due to our better players. We know what game Andy will play so the players (90% were under panel on him ) will know what to expect and can mirror it. I see a comfortable win if we continue form of last 2 games. If we revert to Offaly Limerick Kildare style then we could be in for a almighty shock

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 11:04:25    2487171

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It certainly adds a bit of spice to things! I'm sure Andy will be spurred on by the challenge and will have no shortage of motivation to get one over us. Colm and the players will have to put all that to one side and concentrate on the football. We have been building nicely albeit at a low level. You can see there's confidence coming back into the team. We should have enough to beat Antrim but lads will need to stay focused and take nothing for granted.

men_of_49 (Meath) - Posts: 2003 - 19/06/2023 13:29:18    2487313

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Replying To royaldunne:  "We will win. I know Andy will not have wanted this and on taking over Antrim one of the things he said that he wouldn't like to face his own county but he suspected it wouldn't happen this year anyway. But here it is. We will win due to our better players. We know what game Andy will play so the players (90% were under panel on him ) will know what to expect and can mirror it. I see a comfortable win if we continue form of last 2 games. If we revert to Offaly Limerick Kildare style then we could be in for a almighty shock"
90% you say

V Wexford 11 lads in their first season on the panel 42%
V Down 10 lads in their first year on the panel 38%
V Waterford 12 lads in their first year on the panel 46%
V Tipperary 10 lads in their first year on the panel 38%
V Offaly 8 lads in their first year on the panel 32%

Check your sums before you try and build up your hero like you always do. You're very easily disproved by facts.

And that doesn't include Keith Curtis, Jack Flynn or McGowan who were there for the disaster that was 2022 only.

Or bringing back lads like lenihan and Ryan who are adding to the panel. If you could bring back maybe a Seamus Lavin in 2024 wouldn't that be something.

O'Rourke and his management team have transformed this team and it's unrecognisable from what went before it. There were always going to be dark days and stutters and there will be more to come. They're trying to build something new and get an identity on this squad. That wasn't going to happen in 3-6 months and was going to evolve over time. People asked for them to be given time and space to work with a new squad,and look at what it's bearing. 4 wins in a row, when's the last time a Meath team did that. I'd hazard a guess at in Eamonn O'Briens day.

Seems like Colm and his management team beat you to the punch in identifying new talent for Cathal O'Bric for 2023. Brennan, O'Neill, O'Higgins, Coffey,Gray, lynch, Frayne, O'Regan, wyer, murphy, Rodgers, Moriarty, ohalloran , Caulfield… plus the u20's who won the minor all Ireland … and lads there from junior and intermediate clubs from all over the county too.

Stop trying to build up this team as having anything to do with Andy McEntee. It's not the first cousin of a McEntee team. Andy did his very best, and should be rightfully thanked for his tenure, as this poster always has done.

Sunday won't be an easy game, and let's see how it goes. These lads have beaten what's been in front of them thus far, beaten the favourites to win in Down, and deserve some credit by their name. The management and team are improving game by game, getting their confidence and system better. There'll be hiccups along the way and these need to be allowed and let's see this team progress.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 19/06/2023 14:48:49    2487372

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The Tailteann cup is proving to be a worthwhile competition for Meath at this particular moment in time. It is allowing them to blood new players and let them gain confidence away from the spot light and with the chance of winning silverware at the end of it. It is also giving a new management team time and space to breath. The management and players are not fools, they will know the level of opposition has been well below what they have been used to in the past, but winning games in the summer time will benefit everyone, management, players and supporters alike. But this is the once and only time Meath will want to be in it. A second year in the Tailteann Cup would be disastrous for all concerned. The biggest carrot to winning the Tailteann Cup is guaranteeing a place in the last 16 of the All Ireland next year, a competition that Meath simply need to be in. Look at the performances of Westmeath in the All Ireland series, they should have beaten Armagh in Armagh, lost narrowly at home to last years all Ireland finalists at home, and were one kick of a ball away from knocking Tyrone out and getting to the last 12. Meath should beat Antrim on Sunday with a bit to spare, but the final more than likely against Down will be a series test and 50/50 game.

BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 19/06/2023 15:27:51    2487407

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Replying To brian:  "90% you say

V Wexford 11 lads in their first season on the panel 42%
V Down 10 lads in their first year on the panel 38%
V Waterford 12 lads in their first year on the panel 46%
V Tipperary 10 lads in their first year on the panel 38%
V Offaly 8 lads in their first year on the panel 32%

Check your sums before you try and build up your hero like you always do. You're very easily disproved by facts.

And that doesn't include Keith Curtis, Jack Flynn or McGowan who were there for the disaster that was 2022 only.

Or bringing back lads like lenihan and Ryan who are adding to the panel. If you could bring back maybe a Seamus Lavin in 2024 wouldn't that be something.

O'Rourke and his management team have transformed this team and it's unrecognisable from what went before it. There were always going to be dark days and stutters and there will be more to come. They're trying to build something new and get an identity on this squad. That wasn't going to happen in 3-6 months and was going to evolve over time. People asked for them to be given time and space to work with a new squad,and look at what it's bearing. 4 wins in a row, when's the last time a Meath team did that. I'd hazard a guess at in Eamonn O'Briens day.

Seems like Colm and his management team beat you to the punch in identifying new talent for Cathal O'Bric for 2023. Brennan, O'Neill, O'Higgins, Coffey,Gray, lynch, Frayne, O'Regan, wyer, murphy, Rodgers, Moriarty, ohalloran , Caulfield… plus the u20's who won the minor all Ireland … and lads there from junior and intermediate clubs from all over the county too.

Stop trying to build up this team as having anything to do with Andy McEntee. It's not the first cousin of a McEntee team. Andy did his very best, and should be rightfully thanked for his tenure, as this poster always has done.

Sunday won't be an easy game, and let's see how it goes. These lads have beaten what's been in front of them thus far, beaten the favourites to win in Down, and deserve some credit by their name. The management and team are improving game by game, getting their confidence and system better. There'll be hiccups along the way and these need to be allowed and let's see this team progress."
Arron lynch. Was on panel so was coffee , as was McGowan. Costello , hickey Morris walsh hogan keoghan harnan , Flynn etc. 90%. Are you really that biased that you can't admit that. ? Btw I don't count beating 3 division 4 teams and way successful. If we don't win this out then we must change at years end

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 15:37:47    2487427

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Replying To brian:  "90% you say

V Wexford 11 lads in their first season on the panel 42%
V Down 10 lads in their first year on the panel 38%
V Waterford 12 lads in their first year on the panel 46%
V Tipperary 10 lads in their first year on the panel 38%
V Offaly 8 lads in their first year on the panel 32%

Check your sums before you try and build up your hero like you always do. You're very easily disproved by facts.

And that doesn't include Keith Curtis, Jack Flynn or McGowan who were there for the disaster that was 2022 only.

Or bringing back lads like lenihan and Ryan who are adding to the panel. If you could bring back maybe a Seamus Lavin in 2024 wouldn't that be something.

O'Rourke and his management team have transformed this team and it's unrecognisable from what went before it. There were always going to be dark days and stutters and there will be more to come. They're trying to build something new and get an identity on this squad. That wasn't going to happen in 3-6 months and was going to evolve over time. People asked for them to be given time and space to work with a new squad,and look at what it's bearing. 4 wins in a row, when's the last time a Meath team did that. I'd hazard a guess at in Eamonn O'Briens day.

Seems like Colm and his management team beat you to the punch in identifying new talent for Cathal O'Bric for 2023. Brennan, O'Neill, O'Higgins, Coffey,Gray, lynch, Frayne, O'Regan, wyer, murphy, Rodgers, Moriarty, ohalloran , Caulfield… plus the u20's who won the minor all Ireland … and lads there from junior and intermediate clubs from all over the county too.

Stop trying to build up this team as having anything to do with Andy McEntee. It's not the first cousin of a McEntee team. Andy did his very best, and should be rightfully thanked for his tenure, as this poster always has done.

Sunday won't be an easy game, and let's see how it goes. These lads have beaten what's been in front of them thus far, beaten the favourites to win in Down, and deserve some credit by their name. The management and team are improving game by game, getting their confidence and system better. There'll be hiccups along the way and these need to be allowed and let's see this team progress."
Hehe. You do give me a laugh. Coffee , lynch etc all on panel last year. Thanks I needed a laugh today. And I'm sure we would have won 4 games on the trot if we were playing 3 division 4 teams and a team who couldn't get out of division 3 under either Andy or mod. But that is to Colm bringing us to an all time low we get to play the dregs of the game and look good doing it.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 15:43:18    2487435

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Arron lynch. Was on panel so was coffee , as was McGowan. Costello , hickey Morris walsh hogan keoghan harnan , Flynn etc. 90%. Are you really that biased that you can't admit that. ? Btw I don't count beating 3 division 4 teams and way successful. If we don't win this out then we must change at years end"
And yet lynch and Coffey saw no game time did they, or involved in match day panels... and both made their debuts under Colm in competitive football

And what about the multiple other lads I named

Brennan, O'Neill, O'Higgins, Flood,Gray, Frayne, O'Regan, O'Halloran, Caulfield, Wyer, Moriarty, Murphy, Rodgers

I gave you facts dunners…

Not my fault you can't understand them.

You said 90%. You've been proven wrong again by this poster. Not for the first or last time.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 19/06/2023 15:57:00    2487440

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Hehe. You do give me a laugh. Coffee , lynch etc all on panel last year. Thanks I needed a laugh today. And I'm sure we would have won 4 games on the trot if we were playing 3 division 4 teams and a team who couldn't get out of division 3 under either Andy or mod. But that is to Colm bringing us to an all time low we get to play the dregs of the game and look good doing it."
Well Royaldunne,no need to be calling any team dregs of the game.Its very disrespectful in my opinion.No team deserve s to be called that.No team is worthless,they are doing their best and while may not be great they deserve respect for commitment to their county.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 19/06/2023 16:13:22    2487455

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Well Royaldunne,no need to be calling any team dregs of the game.Its very disrespectful in my opinion.No team deserve s to be called that.No team is worthless,they are doing their best and while may not be great they deserve respect for commitment to their county."
Oh definitely. But in footballing terms they are the lowest of them. Waterford who was ranked 31 out of 32 In football actually gave a better account of themselves than Wexford. It's just how it is. My point is I wouldn't be popping the champagne over beating tipp Waterford and Wexford all division 4 teams and Down who didn't get out of division 3. When you look at how well cork Kildare even Westmeath did in the real competition it should send shivers down our spines. I don't see what benefit beating a very very poor Wexford team by a cricket score will do us next year against Armagh, a rejuvenated Donegal a cork team who can beat mayo Kildare who are still in the main competition. Again unless we win this out (which I think we should) then come division 2 next year we could get the shock of our lives playing quality teams. No disrespect to those teams we beat but that will never bring on a team or player's.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 17:10:04    2487512

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Had a feeling from a while back this pairing would happen, so be it, adds a bit of intrigue to the fixture. I expect a stiff challenge from Antrim, they have good momentum and of course Andy knows us well and will have them well prepared but a lot of the Meath players know him too so I dont believe Antrim have any extra advantage just because they have a former Meath manager at the helm. I think this Meath team are starting to come together, their movement, pace, passing and scoring rate have improved as has, most importantly, confidence and belief, whisper it in certain parts but being in this competition could turn out to be the best thing to happen to us, look at Louth and Sligo, can anyone say they are in better shape than us for being in the Sam Maguire? Getting a few wins under the belt and developing confidence and togetherness will prove very beneficial to this squad in the long run methinks.

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3744 - 19/06/2023 17:23:09    2487526

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Replying To Richieq:  "Had a feeling from a while back this pairing would happen, so be it, adds a bit of intrigue to the fixture. I expect a stiff challenge from Antrim, they have good momentum and of course Andy knows us well and will have them well prepared but a lot of the Meath players know him too so I dont believe Antrim have any extra advantage just because they have a former Meath manager at the helm. I think this Meath team are starting to come together, their movement, pace, passing and scoring rate have improved as has, most importantly, confidence and belief, whisper it in certain parts but being in this competition could turn out to be the best thing to happen to us, look at Louth and Sligo, can anyone say they are in better shape than us for being in the Sam Maguire? Getting a few wins under the belt and developing confidence and togetherness will prove very beneficial to this squad in the long run methinks."
Well Richie I often agree with you. But tbh I'm worried. The quality we are facing is terrible now Sligo no.it won't have been a good thing for them division 4. Louth probably will have benefited certainly Westmeath have. There is a huge buzz around the county the way they equipped themselves in the proper competition, same with Kildare who like us were a shambles in the league, look at cork too. Do you not think that they would be better off come league than us? That is why I'm hoping beyond hope that we win this out as I can't see anything other than a relegation dogfight between ourselves cavan and Fermanagh and maybe another tailteann cup next year.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 17:42:08    2487540

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Replying To Richieq:  "Had a feeling from a while back this pairing would happen, so be it, adds a bit of intrigue to the fixture. I expect a stiff challenge from Antrim, they have good momentum and of course Andy knows us well and will have them well prepared but a lot of the Meath players know him too so I dont believe Antrim have any extra advantage just because they have a former Meath manager at the helm. I think this Meath team are starting to come together, their movement, pace, passing and scoring rate have improved as has, most importantly, confidence and belief, whisper it in certain parts but being in this competition could turn out to be the best thing to happen to us, look at Louth and Sligo, can anyone say they are in better shape than us for being in the Sam Maguire? Getting a few wins under the belt and developing confidence and togetherness will prove very beneficial to this squad in the long run methinks."
Richie a brilliant summation and reflects a lot of my own thoughts. A few teams took thumping in recent weeks in Sam and showed their early league form was a false dawn, and other teams have thrown their league form out the window. I'm of course disappointed we ended up in the Tailteann but was well prepared for it and agree with your thoughts on the positives it's giving this panel of players. Derry built over a number of years and perfected their system under Gallagher and us being in the TC in 23 has allowed the squad room to breath and develop.

Hope you've been travelling well and safely with the family. You're some man for supporting the county and keeping in touch with what's going on around the county.

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 19/06/2023 17:43:32    2487546

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Oh definitely. But in footballing terms they are the lowest of them. Waterford who was ranked 31 out of 32 In football actually gave a better account of themselves than Wexford. It's just how it is. My point is I wouldn't be popping the champagne over beating tipp Waterford and Wexford all division 4 teams and Down who didn't get out of division 3. When you look at how well cork Kildare even Westmeath did in the real competition it should send shivers down our spines. I don't see what benefit beating a very very poor Wexford team by a cricket score will do us next year against Armagh, a rejuvenated Donegal a cork team who can beat mayo Kildare who are still in the main competition. Again unless we win this out (which I think we should) then come division 2 next year we could get the shock of our lives playing quality teams. No disrespect to those teams we beat but that will never bring on a team or player's."
The real competition has two potential winners, Kerry or Dublin, maybe Galway if they stop acting the flute, the reality is outside of those 3 the rest are merely jostling for positions of inferiority, Cork may certainly improve in time, Mayo are just Mayo, Kildare are as unpredictable as a fart after a feed of Guinness and Roscommon will upset sometimes summer, win an odd Connacht and feck off for a few years, Armagh have yet to deliver anything meaningful and I don't believe Donegal are rejuvenated yet, even if they beat Tyrone I wont think that because I have no belief in Tyrone being anything to write home about either and as for Louth well they were quite possibly the most over hyped team in the history of christendom, so in terms of Division 2 next year Meath, if they end up winning the TC and having a lot more confidence in their own play, should really have nothing to fear, all they must do is continue to work on their own game and improve and have belief in what they are doing and what they can achieve

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3744 - 19/06/2023 18:05:29    2487563

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Well Royaldunne,no need to be calling any team dregs of the game.Its very disrespectful in my opinion.No team deserve s to be called that.No team is worthless,they are doing their best and while may not be great they deserve respect for commitment to their county."
Its exactly the type of comment we have come to expect, utterly classless. Nobody has gotten carried away with our form to date on TC, it has been good for Meath, allowing us to regain confidence and blood new players, but most of all management have started to build a solid looking panel. Some expected players to opt out once we exited Leinster, however, it has been the opposite, with full buy in from all. Some sections of media will attemp to make a fuss about the fact Andy is involved, but cannot see it having affect on the outcome. Main thing is Meath are back in CP, not the competition we hoped for, but another step in right direction.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 19/06/2023 18:05:46    2487564

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For me Antrim are in bonus territory. They have won 6 or 7 games on the bounce apparently haven't done that in 70 odd years. I don't see anything other than a comfortable Meath win which I'm sure will please Andy secretly too. But for the 70 plus minutes he will be totally focused on his team been the true Gaa man that he is. While he will have on family member starting for Meath a awful pity we won't have Shane (cor has said he'd be playing most games only for operation) it would have added a bit of extra fun to it. But in the end we are in this to win it Antrim are in bonus territory.
Hon the royal

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 19/06/2023 19:16:49    2487586

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Oh certaintly this competition has been of value to MEATH so far. We just have to remember where we were at about a year ago. Confidence seems to be rising at team level with wins against poor enough opposition it must be said. Inexperience in players and management cannot be ignored and allowed for anyway.There are other factors in my view that have influenced movement forward .Colm has persevered with trying to find the best players at this point and maybe at a cost in trying to develop to reach a relatively settled team.However ,i believe that had to be done. Secondly ,Colm may have overshot the runway in trying too much of a change too quickly in terms of the kicking and more traditional style of football .He did adjust however with better results maybe so far. Personally, i hope he does maintain his objective of the kicking and more direct football in a more measured way.
Hopefully ,learning continues bringing continued improvement when opposition becomes stiffer on this long haul.Could be interesting times ahead indeed preferably without the sideshows on here at times ,that can be amusing ,even if not related to football or improving standards.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 19/06/2023 19:58:46    2487596

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Antrim Gaels are the most put up on anywhere. Suffer a lot with the most bitter s**m of Scotland all over the place. Then there is strong hurling,soccer,Rugby,etc.
Meath should win but as rd says beating div 4 teams does not mean the manager is getting the best out of the county's players. Great opportunity for an outside manager. All he has to do to improve team is to not exclude the main south Meath clubs who individually would beat Rourke's selection.

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 553 - 19/06/2023 20:57:16    2487613

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