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Replying To loyalroyal23: "Yeah kildalkey bringing seniors players from 2010 down to play, the players playing for there juniors are well past senior hurling days" my understanding is it takes 2 years to get from senior to junior, if any player plays senior this year he cannot play junior until 2025 at least, so any player playing junior this year cannot have played senior in 2022, so must have only played intermediate last year, is that the opionion of anyone elase
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Replying To pixey: "my understanding is it takes 2 years to get from senior to junior, if any player plays senior this year he cannot play junior until 2025 at least, so any player playing junior this year cannot have played senior in 2022, so must have only played intermediate last year, is that the opionion of anyone elase" Spot on.
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Replying To pixey: "ok so 2 groups of 4, do you seed them based on previous year ? if so protecting the stringer teams, if you dont seed them you could end with lob sided semi final or final which defeats the purpose aswell.
I know there is no quick fix and unless the game is pushed harder at club level in all the clubs that play hurling we will never overcome the current situation.
Senior Championship.
Trim and Kilmessan dominated for years, both fell away for long periods, Trim are now back and could dominate for a few a years, Kilmessan have a bit to go yet to return to the winners enclosure.
Since the year 2000 we have had 6 winners of Jubliee with 2 of those with just 1 win so 4 clubs have accounted for 21 titles, Kiltale x 7, Kildalkey x 5, Kilmessan x 5, Trim x 4, Killyon x 1, Rathmolyon x 1.
Maybe this is acceptable at club level but it highlights the issues we have at county level and these issues will be more apparent next year.
Does anyone see any option of restructure to try make the senior championship more competitive ?
Intermediate Championship.
11 winners in the same period if you count Athboy's 1 in the current CNG number. Of the 11 winners 2 teams have gone on to contest senior finals, Longwood promoted in 2009 and contested the SHC final in 2013, defeated by Kilmessan, Ratoath promoted in 2016 contested finals in 2020 and 2022 beaten each time by Trim.
Boardsmill promoted in 2021, relegated in 2022, Wolfe Tones promoted in 2020 relegated in 2021, CNG promoted in 2019, still senior but in B group, Na Fianna promoted in 2018 and now competitive in A group, Navan o Mahonys promoted in 2017 and relegated in 2019 or 2020, not sure here. So my point been that the current IHC and SHC group B is not proving to be a stepping stone to success. No team promoted since the year 2000 has won a senior title.
Do we need a restructure or do we need clubs to work harder.
Our biggest towns, Dunboyne 15k people, poor Senior B, Ashbourne, 2016 population 13k people, Intermediate B, Navan, 2022 population figure 34k people, poor Intermediate A.
We are not getting enough from these clubs despite the fact football is the first game. If these clubs cant push the boundaries harder our counties team's will suffer for ever more.
Just my opinion, not looking for angry reaction just looking for any sensible thoughts people might have." Good honest & factual post there. It does stem from clubs having a football only DNA and not wanting to improve. It also goes to show that the schools have a massive impact(proably more than the clubs do) at underage. If you take those 6 teams to have one the senior since 2000, most of if not all those kids went to 1 of maybe 3 separate secondary schools,
Even the primary schools is easy to pick a winner, Kildalky & Trim BNS have cleaned up for as long as i can remember.
As Foley said above the CB should be sending coachs to schools as kids wont get a chance to even experience it if its not in their footy clubs, but they might go to Mom n Dad n say actually i want to play this more than footy.
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I don't think that is the case. 8 players have to be named and these 8 including the team and subs that play in the first round of the senior cant play junior. So I believe if someone played senior last year and hasnt been named or played as per the above criteria can play junior.
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Replying To Foley91: "I don't think that is the case. 8 players have to be named and these 8 including the team and subs that play in the first round of the senior cant play junior. So I believe if someone played senior last year and hasnt been named or played as per the above criteria can play junior." For 3 team clubs..100% there are 1st 15 sent in to CB. 2nd 13 who can play Intermediate and above. You cannot drop more than 1 grade in any year.
TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 28/07/2023 16:14:33
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Replying To pixey: "ok so 2 groups of 4, do you seed them based on previous year ? if so protecting the stringer teams, if you dont seed them you could end with lob sided semi final or final which defeats the purpose aswell.
I know there is no quick fix and unless the game is pushed harder at club level in all the clubs that play hurling we will never overcome the current situation.
Senior Championship.
Trim and Kilmessan dominated for years, both fell away for long periods, Trim are now back and could dominate for a few a years, Kilmessan have a bit to go yet to return to the winners enclosure.
Since the year 2000 we have had 6 winners of Jubliee with 2 of those with just 1 win so 4 clubs have accounted for 21 titles, Kiltale x 7, Kildalkey x 5, Kilmessan x 5, Trim x 4, Killyon x 1, Rathmolyon x 1.
Maybe this is acceptable at club level but it highlights the issues we have at county level and these issues will be more apparent next year.
Does anyone see any option of restructure to try make the senior championship more competitive ?
Intermediate Championship.
11 winners in the same period if you count Athboy's 1 in the current CNG number. Of the 11 winners 2 teams have gone on to contest senior finals, Longwood promoted in 2009 and contested the SHC final in 2013, defeated by Kilmessan, Ratoath promoted in 2016 contested finals in 2020 and 2022 beaten each time by Trim.
Boardsmill promoted in 2021, relegated in 2022, Wolfe Tones promoted in 2020 relegated in 2021, CNG promoted in 2019, still senior but in B group, Na Fianna promoted in 2018 and now competitive in A group, Navan o Mahonys promoted in 2017 and relegated in 2019 or 2020, not sure here. So my point been that the current IHC and SHC group B is not proving to be a stepping stone to success. No team promoted since the year 2000 has won a senior title.
Do we need a restructure or do we need clubs to work harder.
Our biggest towns, Dunboyne 15k people, poor Senior B, Ashbourne, 2016 population 13k people, Intermediate B, Navan, 2022 population figure 34k people, poor Intermediate A.
We are not getting enough from these clubs despite the fact football is the first game. If these clubs cant push the boundaries harder our counties team's will suffer for ever more.
Just my opinion, not looking for angry reaction just looking for any sensible thoughts people might have." Agree with this post, if you look at those larger towns (Dunboyne aside to an extent) they will all say they are football clubs and they don't care about hurling. The problem is that they aren't exactly setting the world alight with their football either, poor senior and poor intermediate teams. Also out of Navan, Ashbourne and Kells how many players did they have on the Meath senior football panel this year?
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I see the county board have decided to bring all Sundays games to 11am to accommodate people going to the camogie final.
Hardly fair on the hurlers and supporters to change at short notice when they will have planned their weekend to suit their game.
If they wanted to change time's surly they could have done it two weeks ago when they had confirmed fixtures.
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Any predictions for the weekend lads?
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Replying To Tobefair80: "I see the county board have decided to bring all Sundays games to 11am to accommodate people going to the camogie final.
Hardly fair on the hurlers and supporters to change at short notice when they will have planned their weekend to suit their game.
If they wanted to change time's surly they could have done it two weeks ago when they had confirmed fixtures." I don't even think they have a venue for Dunderry match.
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Replying To MeathHurler2023: "Any predictions for the weekend lads?" Dunderry to beat dunboyne
Kilmessan Blackhall - Draw
Athboy to beat Longwood
Trim to beat Kilyon
Kiltale to beat Baconstown
Kildalkey to beat Ratoath
PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 01/08/2023 17:40:41
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Replying To MeathHurler2023: "Any predictions for the weekend lads?" Rain
Tobefair80 (Meath) - Posts: 74 - 01/08/2023 22:38:02
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Predictions
Thursday
SHC A
Trim to beat Killyon
JHC2 A
Dunderry to beat Drumree
Clann na nGael to beat Navan OMahonys
Friday
SHC B
Kilmessan to beat BHG
Clann na nGael to beat Longwood
IHC A
Kildalkey to beat Boardsmill
JHC A
Drumree to beat Killyon
Saturday
SHC A
Na Fianna to beat Kiltale
IHC A
Rathmolyon to beat Drumree
IHC B
Trim to beat Dunboyne
Wolfe Tones to beat Ashbourne
Kilskyre to beat Kilmessan
JHC A
Kildalkey to beat St Pats
Sunday
SHC A
Kildalkey to beat Ratoath
SHC B
Dunderry to beat Dunboyne
IHC A
Navan to beat Kells
JHC A
Kiltale to beat Ratoath
JHC 2B
Trim to beat Na Fianna
Rathmolyon to beat Kilskyre
TownJohnT (Meath) - Posts: 86 - 02/08/2023 08:29:16
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Replying To TownJohnT: "I don't even think they have a venue for Dunderry match." Dunderry game is on in PT
PatrickTopping (Meath) - Posts: 119 - 02/08/2023 09:32:53
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SHC
Trim to beat Killyon
Kiltale to beat Na Fianna
Ratoath to beat Kildalkey
Kilmessan to beat Blackhall
Clann na Gael to hammer Longwood
Peters to beat Dunderry
IHC
Rathmolyon draw with Drumree
Kildalkey to beat Boardsmill
O Mahonys to beat Kells
Kilskyre to hammer Kilmessan
Tones and Ashbourne draw
Dunboyne beat Trim
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Trim v Killyon : Trim by 10
Kiltale v Na Fianna : Kiltale by 3
Ratoath v Kildalkey : Kildalkey by 7
Kilmessan v Blackhall : Kilmessan by 4
Clann na Gael v Longwood : CNG by 8
Dunboyne V Dunderry: Dunboyne by 6
IHC
Rathmolyon v Drumree : Drumree by 4
Kildalkey v Boardsmill : Boardsmill by 2
O Mahonys v Kells : Navan by 8
Kilskyre v Kilmessan : Kilskyre by 15
Tones v Ashbourne: Draw
Dunboyne v Trim : Draw
ClashofAsh85 (Meath) - Posts: 20 - 02/08/2023 11:40:37
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Trim vs Killyon - Trim on fire and should win this. Trim by 5
Kiltale vs Na Fianna - will be a close game. Na Fianna playing good hurling but Kiltale just have enough to get over the line. Kiltale by 3
Ratoath vs Kildalkey - Depends what Ratoath turns up. Kildalkey playing well and should have enough here. Kildalkey by 3
Kilmessan vs Blackhall - will be a close game. A win puts both teams in a strong position to qualify from the group. Draw
Clann na Gael vs Longwood - Longwood at sea right now. Hrad o see anything but a CNG win. CNG by 10
Dunboyne vs Dunderry - could be closer then many think. Dunderry have some good hurlers and will push Dunboyne hard. Dunboyne by 4
IHC
Rathmolyon vs Drumree Game of the IHC weekend. Could go either way but fancy The Village to sneak this one. Rathmoylan by 2
Kildalkey vs Boardsmill - the best second team in Meath, this will be a tough one for Boardsmill. Kildalkey by 4
O Mahonys vs Kells - O'Mahonys should win this. O Mahonys by 6
Kilskyre vs Kilmessan - easy one for Kilskyre. Kilskyre by 10+
Wolfe Tones vs Dongh/Ashbourne Both teams not doing well. Draw
Dunboyne vs Trim - depends on who is playing for both teams. But expect Trim to win. Trim by 6
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Replying To PatrickTopping: "Dunderry game is on in PT" Dunshaughlin, they could not play both games at 11 in PT.
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Finding it very hard to fathom how Trim are being made turn out tonight after playing football last Saturday, Surely the few extra days to recover are needed?
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Replying To countyman123: "Finding it very hard to fathom how Trim are being made turn out tonight after playing football last Saturday, Surely the few extra days to recover are needed?" Trim have a wedding on Friday thats why.
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Replying To PatrickTopping: "Dunderry game is on in PT" Dunderry v St.Peters Dunboyne now in Dunshaughlin at 11am on Sunday
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