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Offaly V Meath Rd. 4

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I think confidence is at a all time low. Our big players just aren't clicking with the exception of keoghan and jones to a lesser extent. Mcentee did hell lot work today as did walsh. But I want in particular to single out young scully who was everywhere today. While the result is not what anyone wanted but there was some positives

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2022 19:57:18    2402563

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Well the fight is there as shown at the end. But the players are not. I'll be honest Offaly are terrible, unfortunately at the moment we are no better. Can we stay up ? Maybe but it's gonna be one hell of a dog fight. However the fight we showed today might swing it in our favor. Anyways we are where we are talk of changing management at this time is counterproductive. We will change at end of year. As no one in country would make any difference at this stage."
The only players there were those who got approved by the manager. He can always let someone else pick the team. See how it works out..

Ashrules (Dublin) - Posts: 553 - 26/02/2022 20:00:14    2402565

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I agree the manager is done at this stage, but the players are getting a serious free pass since the start of the league. Accurate handpassing, the ability to kickpass a ball 25 metres and the ability to kick the ball over the bar from 30 metres unopposed are what I'd expect from an intercounty footballer, and that's before the manager says a word...... if we get all of them, plus the basics that lads would have learned as 10 year olds right, and we are still playing this bad, .......then we can point the blame solely on management. Players need to take a long hard look at themselves right now too.... they aren't kids anymore that need there hands held by management. Their individual performances by and large have been well below whats recquired.

southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 938 - 26/02/2022 20:07:38    2402567

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So many goal chances butchered today this simply has to get better, based on what i saw today i do feel a good performance is coming. Harry Hogan was super again today and hats off to Andy Mcentee for finding him. Hopefully Cathal Hickeys injury is not too serious he was our best player until he went off injured. Scully deserves all the credit today, won 3 or 4 frees in the scoring zone, tackled ferociously and even chipped in with an important score late.

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 404 - 26/02/2022 21:01:13    2402585

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Replying To southmeathgael:  "I agree the manager is done at this stage, but the players are getting a serious free pass since the start of the league. Accurate handpassing, the ability to kickpass a ball 25 metres and the ability to kick the ball over the bar from 30 metres unopposed are what I'd expect from an intercounty footballer, and that's before the manager says a word...... if we get all of them, plus the basics that lads would have learned as 10 year olds right, and we are still playing this bad, .......then we can point the blame solely on management. Players need to take a long hard look at themselves right now too.... they aren't kids anymore that need there hands held by management. Their individual performances by and large have been well below whats recquired."
Have to agree completely.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2022 21:52:37    2402599

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Replying To redser123:  "So many goal chances butchered today this simply has to get better, based on what i saw today i do feel a good performance is coming. Harry Hogan was super again today and hats off to Andy Mcentee for finding him. Hopefully Cathal Hickeys injury is not too serious he was our best player until he went off injured. Scully deserves all the credit today, won 3 or 4 frees in the scoring zone, tackled ferociously and even chipped in with an important score late."
Scully was magnificent.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 26/02/2022 21:53:09    2402600

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Hi, one thing that nobody has mentioned is our fitness. Under McEntee early years we were getting fitter and fitter but this year in all the game the opposition looked the same/fitter than Meath which is very worrying as it ties into when John Coghlan left. Hopefully they are planning to peak in the May/June period but any thoughts?

Teve123 (Meath) - Posts: 1 - 27/02/2022 07:59:54    2402612

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With the games left we need at least 4 points from 3 games to be sure of staying up. (Yes we might stay up with less but I'm just giving a guess here). The one thing we don't want is Derry coming on last day needing points to be promoted. If they already secure then I think we may get a win.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/02/2022 09:23:04    2402617

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Scully was magnificent."
I thought Jack O'Connor was good (silly trip aside) Harkin Jones and Scully were the best 3. Handpassing to a man 2 yards away is infuriating to watch. Low quick ball paid dividends yesterday when delivered.

urizen (Meath) - Posts: 116 - 27/02/2022 09:27:04    2402618

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Replying To urizen:  "I thought Jack O'Connor was good (silly trip aside) Harkin Jones and Scully were the best 3. Handpassing to a man 2 yards away is infuriating to watch. Low quick ball paid dividends yesterday when delivered."
thought Jones was very in and out of the game had good moments but then would go missing for 5-10 minutes, great to have him back but needs to get his fitness up. Understandable as he's been plagued with injuries and has probably been rushed back.

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 404 - 27/02/2022 10:55:52    2402634

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Did I hear correctly after the game that Shane is away to Mali in 2 weeks on peace keeping. So we've a player that's not going to get championship game time not only playing every minute in a pivotal position but he's still captain of the team. Another black mark against management, but it's it any way surprising??

brian (Meath) - Posts: 1973 - 27/02/2022 11:01:09    2402637

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Replying To Ed2010:  "Ah lads. The toss up goes one of two ways. You plan for both. This is a new low of an excuse and says a lot about the mentality at the minute"
I think you have picked me up wrong Ed2010 it's not an excuse for the teams display and you're right youhave to play and plan for both.My point was if we won the toss v Galway why didnt we play with the wind.I have been playing football all my life and you would always play with the wind and get ahead and have something to hold onto.Sometimes the wind drops or may change direction.I was just saying in my opinion it's better to play with the wind and have something to hold and be in the game instead of chasing but again just my opinion.Its not an excuse at all I do realise you have to play and have a plan for it.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 27/02/2022 12:01:38    2402649

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First of all it was great to see the fighting spirit right to the end and get the goal to draw.Both teams were guilty of kicking bad wides but for some fine goalkeeping we could have had a couple of goals and maybe won the match.Hogan looks good in goals maybe finally we have this position sorted.Passing needs to improve, few poor simple passes turned over.Hopefully we can kick on now and maybe snatching the draw will give some confidence.Im afraid thats were we are at the minute but if we can stay up and have a decent foundation for a new man next year maybe things will look up.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 27/02/2022 12:13:03    2402653

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Anyone know where Daragh Campion has gone? Is he injured?

Just looking at our current team. It's very similar to the team that did ok in super eights a few years ago (aside from Newman and Gallagher). Quite stunning how the team regressed as opposed to kicking on. Maybe they were playing beyond themselves as I remember Cian Ward implying at that time (he said they were greater than sum of their parts).

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 27/02/2022 12:23:43    2402658

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Replying To brian:  "Did I hear correctly after the game that Shane is away to Mali in 2 weeks on peace keeping. So we've a player that's not going to get championship game time not only playing every minute in a pivotal position but he's still captain of the team. Another black mark against management, but it's it any way surprising??"
yes middle of march he will be gone to Mali for 6 months training. We are officialy at the stage where Andy gets nit picked for everything.

redser123 (Meath) - Posts: 404 - 27/02/2022 12:31:30    2402665

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A dark day for our county yesterday, simple fact is we are only on par with the Offaly's, Laois's , Down's etc at this present moment.
Sometime you need to just go back to basics and start a four year plan ;like other counties have done.

I will not slam any Meath Man here as nobody goes out to loose or not perform.

Let this management team finish out this year and lets see can we put a plan in place going forward.

On a separate note I was told their is better players in Meath but where are they ? Who are they ? I am sure if a lad is good enough he would be giving a chance but perhaps lads are not committing.

Was Cian ward the best player in the championship last year ? Was Stephen Bray one of the top ten forwards ? If so I think we need to identify lads 19 -21 now and bring them in to start the strength and conditioning and coaching. Ask them to buy into the plan, look after them like the other big counties do, this is a professional sport played under amateur status.
Success needs investment, players need to know the county board are behind them.


It has taken McGeeney 7 years to get to a level to compete at the top level, We cannot change it over night.
Derry will be competing here very soon also, they have a plan, we don't seem to have one hence the disappointment.

This will get worse before better but we need to stay the course if we choose one.

thelutch (Meath) - Posts: 1073 - 27/02/2022 12:38:02    2402667

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Replying To Crinigan:  "Anyone know where Daragh Campion has gone? Is he injured?

Just looking at our current team. It's very similar to the team that did ok in super eights a few years ago (aside from Newman and Gallagher). Quite stunning how the team regressed as opposed to kicking on. Maybe they were playing beyond themselves as I remember Cian Ward implying at that time (he said they were greater than sum of their parts)."
He dropped himself off the panel late last year I think. It's a really unfortunate one because he had some brilliant games in the league in 2019 when we got promoted but sort of seemed to fade further and further away. I watched him play Sigerson this year and with the exception of one bit of class to give a great ball in he didn't look up to the pace. This seems to happen Meath continually. Alan Nestor in 08, Alan Forde and Damien Carroll in 2012, even Eamon Wallace's best season for Meath was his debut season we have a habit of guys starting out like a house on fire and never recapturing it

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 27/02/2022 12:56:35    2402671

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Positives, we found a way to not lose and never gave up. Jason Scully was terrific and was also good last week and seems to have improved a lot. Eoin Harkin showed great steel and leadership in the last 20 mins and took the fight to Offaly. Shane McEntee done very well I felt. Jones brings big physicality around the middle. Moments of rustiness but he's so much better than Devine or Costello are in midfield, Harry Hogan has improved massively and is the answer to our goalkeeping issue and Keoghan played his best game of the year and also showed great leadership with driving incisive runs. Negatives, the team still look so short on confidence and are playing within themselves and not showing expression. People can put this down to tactics, but I don't think tactics have changed all that much in the last few years and we didn't play this conservative consistently before. Hickey looked so dangerous before his injury and is a huge loss if it's serious. We had too many period of being passive when as soon as we got tackles in and pressure on Offaly were only dying to give us the ball back. Also an obvious negative is that we didn't win and now the pressure comes on even more and players could go further into their shells. Incredibly though despite not having a win there are 3 teams below us and if we could muster a win over Cork then we'd be as good as safe and we could park this campaign for the disaster that it was without it hurting us next year and most likely not hurting us in this years championship

LeitrimRoyal99 (Meath) - Posts: 1527 - 27/02/2022 13:04:50    2402672

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Replying To brian:  "Did I hear correctly after the game that Shane is away to Mali in 2 weeks on peace keeping. So we've a player that's not going to get championship game time not only playing every minute in a pivotal position but he's still captain of the team. Another black mark against management, but it's it any way surprising??"
I think that's harsh. If he thinks he's a first team player then he plays him as he was trying to win promotion. He's hardly going to have him sitting in the stands watching when he's fit to play (again, as a manager who thinks he's an important player).

Good luck to him in Mali btw, horrible place that's getting more and more dangerous thanks to Saudi funded extremism. French have pulled out too meaning even more dangerous for the underpaid, undervalued and under appreciated Irish defense forces. Irish soldiers shouldn't be sent there but hey, politicians like their photo ops!

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 27/02/2022 13:07:47    2402673

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Replying To urizen:  "I thought Jack O'Connor was good (silly trip aside) Harkin Jones and Scully were the best 3. Handpassing to a man 2 yards away is infuriating to watch. Low quick ball paid dividends yesterday when delivered."
Definitely all played very well. Yeah the silly trip was disappointing but that can be ironed out, eagerness was good to see

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 27/02/2022 13:34:57    2402686

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