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Replying To seanorinn: "So why doesn't everyone join Club Breffni? So everyone that attends Breffni for the Cavan club championships should join Club Breffni, then there should be no need for a 2 hour gap between games on a Sunday? Jesus wept
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I have no problem with your sarcasm but running 3 games one after the other is asking a lot from stewards to give up their time to cover all of them. Also from experience most of the supporters following their own club just don't wait to see the next game and the end result is traffic congestion and chaos and people wanting out of the park. For the three matches you are talking about six hours or more. I am not making excuses and I am sure that some ideas are very good maybe worth having a chat with the county board." Rich talking about sarcasm when I ask why don't they have the 3 Sunday games in a row and your reply is join club breffni!!!! If every there was a case of Pot calling kettle black, that's the one. Stick up for the Illuminati with that one.
Also are the stewards the same stewards for the first 2 games as the evening game? If so then they'd rather stay on and get the other one over. If not then there is a simple switch over.
cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 25/07/2017 13:13:50
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Replying To cavan97: "Rich talking about sarcasm when I ask why don't they have the 3 Sunday games in a row and your reply is join club breffni!!!! If every there was a case of Pot calling kettle black, that's the one. Stick up for the Illuminati with that one.
Also are the stewards the same stewards for the first 2 games as the evening game? If so then they'd rather stay on and get the other one over. If not then there is a simple switch over." Can the stewards from the late game not start earlier?
And as regards traffic problems from having 3 club games on a Sunday that's a lame excuse.
How do we manage to hold ulster championship games with 15000 ??
Sean o rinn you will stick up for the CB regardless whether they right or wrong.
But I can understand why.. the grass is always greener ! And you would know about that!!
Green grass I mean!!
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 25/07/2017 13:54:13
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Replying To cavan97: "Rich talking about sarcasm when I ask why don't they have the 3 Sunday games in a row and your reply is join club breffni!!!! If every there was a case of Pot calling kettle black, that's the one. Stick up for the Illuminati with that one.
Also are the stewards the same stewards for the first 2 games as the evening game? If so then they'd rather stay on and get the other one over. If not then there is a simple switch over." Rich talking about sarcasm when I ask why don't they have the 3 Sunday games in a row and your reply is join club breffni!!!! If every there was a case of Pot calling kettle black, that's the one. Stick up for the Illuminati with that one.
Also are the stewards the same stewards for the first 2 games as the evening game? If so then they'd rather stay on and get the other one over. If not then there is a simple switch over.
cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts:337 - 25/07/2017 13:13:50 2023179
The reply was in relation to the weekend not just Sunday if you were to come to the park five weekends on the trot with six matches you would cover your club breiffni this would cover you even for the U21 championship right up to the end of December and longer. I am a club breiffni member and it's good value to be honest but it's everyones choice how they wish to do things. You know the County Board have to pay back all the money borrowed for the development of the county pitch and a lot more beside as it does not run on fresh air. It would be fantastic if this were not the case but sadly it's how it is.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 25/07/2017 13:58:49
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What if you only want to go to one game?
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Replying To seanorinn: "Rich talking about sarcasm when I ask why don't they have the 3 Sunday games in a row and your reply is join club breffni!!!! If every there was a case of Pot calling kettle black, that's the one. Stick up for the Illuminati with that one.
Also are the stewards the same stewards for the first 2 games as the evening game? If so then they'd rather stay on and get the other one over. If not then there is a simple switch over.
cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts:337 - 25/07/2017 13:13:50 2023179
The reply was in relation to the weekend not just Sunday if you were to come to the park five weekends on the trot with six matches you would cover your club breiffni this would cover you even for the U21 championship right up to the end of December and longer. I am a club breiffni member and it's good value to be honest but it's everyones choice how they wish to do things. You know the County Board have to pay back all the money borrowed for the development of the county pitch and a lot more beside as it does not run on fresh air. It would be fantastic if this were not the case but sadly it's how it is." Hi John,
Can you explain to me how Club Breffni is good value to the ordinary Cavan supporter. If we take it a number of matches over the weekend are not accessible due to supporting ones own club clashing with other games. So we know there is 4 round robin games in the senior. Typical supporter would go to those if they were lucky get another match in over the weekend that's 8 games. Then 1/4's come along get to 2 of those. Then manage to get to both semi finals and the final regardless if there team makes it or not. That's 13 matches in total. Plus that is a lot of football with out having any instances were everyday life doesn't get in the way of going seeing your own team. How much is club Breffni?? and we divide that by 13 games to get a cost per match. Weekend passes would be excellent 20euros gets you into any game in any pitch on a particular weekend. Excellent value. Increased attendances more goodwill about the place.
thetruthforonce (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 25/07/2017 16:07:35
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Replying To thetruthforonce: "Hi John,
Can you explain to me how Club Breffni is good value to the ordinary Cavan supporter. If we take it a number of matches over the weekend are not accessible due to supporting ones own club clashing with other games. So we know there is 4 round robin games in the senior. Typical supporter would go to those if they were lucky get another match in over the weekend that's 8 games. Then 1/4's come along get to 2 of those. Then manage to get to both semi finals and the final regardless if there team makes it or not. That's 13 matches in total. Plus that is a lot of football with out having any instances were everyday life doesn't get in the way of going seeing your own team. How much is club Breffni?? and we divide that by 13 games to get a cost per match. Weekend passes would be excellent 20euros gets you into any game in any pitch on a particular weekend. Excellent value. Increased attendances more goodwill about the place." I understand what you are saying but there is no where in the country where you can get any amount of games for €20 no where. If you read the whole topic from the prices was mentioned you will understand why I said Club Breiffni and on those terms it's great value for money for right up to the 22nd of December there are matches. Out from league matches that are belonging to clubs I think the pass covers you along with supporting the county team going forward.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 25/07/2017 17:16:54
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unbelievable the whinging that goes on about paying a few euros to see matches and I'll bet the same people would have no problem spending that on a few pints. wise up.
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 25/07/2017 17:17:25
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In monaghan and majority of counties I believe only two or 3 don't offer the following club + tickets which are bought at time of getting county season ticket.
For 200e you get admission to
All national league games
Entry to first county championship game
Guaranteed ticket to all other county championship games.
Entry to all club championship games.
Now that is 200e well spent and it's a shame that it won't be brought into cavan as it's a better deal than rip off club breffini.
RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 878 - 25/07/2017 20:16:05
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Replying To RHF: "In monaghan and majority of counties I believe only two or 3 don't offer the following club + tickets which are bought at time of getting county season ticket.
For 200e you get admission to
All national league games
Entry to first county championship game
Guaranteed ticket to all other county championship games.
Entry to all club championship games.
Now that is 200e well spent and it's a shame that it won't be brought into cavan as it's a better deal than rip off club breffini." RHF (Cavan) - Posts:508 - 25/07/2017 20:16:05 20
In monaghan and majority of counties I believe only two or 3 don't offer the following club + tickets which are bought at time of getting county season ticket.
For 200e you get admission to
All national league games Same as Club Breifne
Entry to first county championship game WE are guaranteed a club Breiffni seat and food at half time
Guaranteed ticket to all other county championship games. Same as Club Breifne and food at half time
Entry to all club championship games. Same as club Breifne plus you get a good quality jacket so all in all Club Breifne is not that bad is it
Now that is 200e well spent and it's a shame that it won't be brought into cavan as it's a better deal than rip off club breifne.
Your comment about rip off is without foundation and I think there are under 250 members so not a lot to argue about.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 25/07/2017 23:18:56
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Replying To Inaroundehouse: "Can the stewards from the late game not start earlier?
And as regards traffic problems from having 3 club games on a Sunday that's a lame excuse.
How do we manage to hold ulster championship games with 15000 ??
Sean o rinn you will stick up for the CB regardless whether they right or wrong.
But I can understand why.. the grass is always greener ! And you would know about that!!
Green grass I mean!!" Can the stewards from the late game not start earlier?
And as regards traffic problems from having 3 club games on a Sunday that's a lame excuse.
How do we manage to hold ulster championship games with 15000 ??
Sean o rinn you will stick up for the CB regardless whether they right or wrong.
But I can understand why.. the grass is always greener ! And you would know about that!!
Green grass I mean!!
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts:194 - 25/07/2017 13:54:13 2023227
I will not stick up for the county board if they don't deserve it. Yes I know about green grass I am the caretaker groundsman after all. 15000 at one match or two matches but nothing following and no one wishes to leave as they have come to watch the main match. With the three matches as I stated most don't want to stay and watch the second match here lay's the problem. If you knew me you would know I am not a yes man and I don't stick up for the county board at all costs. Some will let you know what type person I am. I am a John Wrenne man with my own opinions.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 25/07/2017 23:25:51
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Replying To seanorinn: "Can the stewards from the late game not start earlier?
And as regards traffic problems from having 3 club games on a Sunday that's a lame excuse.
How do we manage to hold ulster championship games with 15000 ??
Sean o rinn you will stick up for the CB regardless whether they right or wrong.
But I can understand why.. the grass is always greener ! And you would know about that!!
Green grass I mean!!
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts:194 - 25/07/2017 13:54:13 2023227
I will not stick up for the county board if they don't deserve it. Yes I know about green grass I am the caretaker groundsman after all. 15000 at one match or two matches but nothing following and no one wishes to leave as they have come to watch the main match. With the three matches as I stated most don't want to stay and watch the second match here lay's the problem. If you knew me you would know I am not a yes man and I don't stick up for the county board at all costs. Some will let you know what type person I am. I am a John Wrenne man with my own opinions." How much do you pay for the pleasure of club breffini Sean?
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Replying To s goldrick: "unbelievable the whinging that goes on about paying a few euros to see matches and I'll bet the same people would have no problem spending that on a few pints. wise up." That's fine its okay for the CB to stagger the games for their own greed. The same CB greed that's making Clubs pay up for the debt that the Clubs did not make
cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 26/07/2017 08:16:45
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Replying To seanorinn: "Can the stewards from the late game not start earlier?
And as regards traffic problems from having 3 club games on a Sunday that's a lame excuse.
How do we manage to hold ulster championship games with 15000 ??
Sean o rinn you will stick up for the CB regardless whether they right or wrong.
But I can understand why.. the grass is always greener ! And you would know about that!!
Green grass I mean!!
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts:194 - 25/07/2017 13:54:13 2023227
I will not stick up for the county board if they don't deserve it. Yes I know about green grass I am the caretaker groundsman after all. 15000 at one match or two matches but nothing following and no one wishes to leave as they have come to watch the main match. With the three matches as I stated most don't want to stay and watch the second match here lay's the problem. If you knew me you would know I am not a yes man and I don't stick up for the county board at all costs. Some will let you know what type person I am. I am a John Wrenne man with my own opinions." It's a John Wayne type we need!!!
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 26/07/2017 08:57:20
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Division 1=============P=W=L==D=F===A=Pts
Cavan Gaels***********10 10 00 00 179 094 20
Kingscourt************10 08 00 02 170 124 18
Ramor United*********10 07 02 01 192 137 15
Castlerahan***********10 06 04 00 180 141 12
Lacken***************10 05 04 01 143 149 11
Ballinagh*************10 05 05 00 136 152 10
Arva*****************10 04 06 00 158 184 08
Cúchulainns***********10 03 06 01 156 177 07
Gowna***************10 03 06 01 124 147 07
Cootehill**************10 02 05 03 138 166 07
Belturbet+++++++++++++10 02 07 01 132 172 05
Mullahoran************10 00 10 00 083 148 00
Division 2============P=W=L=D==F===A=Pts
Killygarry************10 09 01 00 159 101 18
Crosserlough*********11 07 02 02 214 136 16
Laragh Utd++++++++++10 06 02 02 195 146 14
Ballyhaise+++++++++++10 05 02 03 176 140 13
Bailieborough++++++++10 06 03 01 150 148 13
Lavey***************10 05 04 01 143 149 11
Cornafean+++++++++++10 04 04 02 147 141 10
Shercock++++++++++++10 05 05 00 149 175 10
Denn++++++++++++++++9 04 05 00 152 165 08
Ballymachugh---------------10 04 06 00 126 143 08
Drumlane++++++++++++10 02 06 02 125 128 06
Swanlinbar+++++++++++10 02 07 01 140 204 05
Killeshandra++++++++++10 02 08 00 120 152 04
Drumalee---------------------10 02 08 00 110 178 04
Division 3=============P=W=L=D==F===A=Pts
Butlersbridge+++++++++10 09 01 00 222 099 18
Cnoc Bríde--------------------10 08 02 00 126 103 16
Drumgoon+++++++++++10 08 02 00 190 113 16
Killinkere++++++++++++11 07 03 01 195 167 15
Drung--------------------------11 07 04 00 224 151 14
Kildallan-----------------------10 07 03 00 170 109 14
Mountnugent---------------10 06 04 00 174 136 12
Redhills++++++++++++++10 06 04 00 162 137 12
Kill Shamrocks---------------11 04 06 01 147 223 09
Templeport-------------------10 03 07 00 140 149 06
Munterconnaught----------10 02 08 00 138 168 04
Shannon Gaels----------------9 02 07 00 107 148 04
Corlough-----------------------10 01 09 00 119 220 02
Maghera-----------------------10 00 10 00 083 274 00
****Senior Championship, ++++Intermediate Championship, ----Junior Championship
Championship is here. Will league form carry or can some teams buck up for it.
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 26/07/2017 09:53:51
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Anyway getting back to the action this weekend & there are some extremely interesting games. Hopefully players that haven't been involved with the county setup either this year or the past few can stand up as possibilities to improve the county team & give management more options. Also hopefully Mattie or his management team are in attendance at every game either senior, intermediate or junior to observe any such potential. Anyway for what it's worth this is my predictions for the senior championship this weekend;
Ramor- Cuchullains- even though I believe barkey out injured with collar bone I have to let my head rule my heart & say ramor
Gaels - lacken - Gaels seem to have the edge that was missing for last few years back & putting up big scores. Lacken are a big physical team & never fear the Gaels beating them in the championship last year but momentum with the Gaels
Lavey-cootehill- again neither in great form & Lavey haven't pushed on yet from reaching semi final last year going by there league results. They will require a huge performance from Gerry smith to win this as I think cootehill's experience of playing div 1 will be decisive
Castlerahan-arva - huge year for Castlerahan as they can only be the nearly men for so long. Personally I don't think they have the ruthlessness to finish the job but maybe Keogan & Forde will change there mindset. Arva's first year back in senior & huge achievement by the players & club. Arva won the recent league game but I think Castlerahan will win by 6/7 Pts
Kingscourt-mullahoran- huge fall for the dreadnoughts in a very short timeframe. Giving the points to the Gaels last weekend would surely have had bodies turning in graves. Kingscourt going well again & should win by 7/8 +
Killygarry-Gowna- could be one of the closest games of the weekend. Gowna with div 1 experience against top of the table div 2 Killygarry. Probably depends on who has the biggest influence Martin Reilly or Conor madden but Killygarry by 2
Crosserlough- ballinagh- crosserlough rebuilding there team & will be few years until really competing. Ballinagh likely depending on the draw to reach semi finals & have excellent scoring potential. Ballinagh by 6
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Replying To RHF: "How much do you pay for the pleasure of club breffini Sean?" How much do you pay for the pleasure of club breffini Sean?
RHF (Cavan) - Posts:509 - 26/07/2017 08:16:30 2023629
500 euro why
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 26/07/2017 10:31:36
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I think the whole logic of the points made above is that people are more likely to go in to multiple games if there is a deal! And they should be enticed, not met with rate card for everything!!
Its like buying something in a shop - 3 for 2, for example. This is a marketing ploy used across multiple businesses all over the world to great effect. Why? Because it works and it makes people come back. Now if our wonderful county board would take a look at that and also their remit and mandate then they should take it seriously.
25 Euro for a weekend ticket makes perfect sense to me. Do people really think that offering nothing will help attendances? Loyal fans should be looked after. The county board have a responsibility to promote and grow the game and interest levels in the county on an ongoing basis. Start looking after loyal fans a bit better and 'hey presto' you have a happy fan base speaking well about the set up! Maybe that will attract others to join!!
Reformation (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 26/07/2017 10:37:41
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Replying To cavan97: "That's fine its okay for the CB to stagger the games for their own greed. The same CB greed that's making Clubs pay up for the debt that the Clubs did not make" Replying To s goldrick: "unbelievable the whinging that goes on about paying a few euros to see matches and I'll bet the same people would have no problem spending that on a few pints. wise up."
That's fine its okay for the CB to stagger the games for their own greed. The same CB greed that's making Clubs pay up for the debt that the Clubs did not make
cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts:340 - 26/07/2017 08:16:45 2023630
I expect any work that was done to develop your county ground had to be paid for. I expect the 3G and the ground that it's on has to be paid for. I suppose the running of the county teams has to be paid for. If you had McManus he would be a huge asset to the county set up but sadly you don't so all these bills accumulate and have to be paid for. I know the clubs have to support the county in paying all these bills as well. Common sense will tell you off course fresh air will not pay for the upkeep of what you have so hence the reason why there are things called turnstiles to take in badly needed money to pay for all the above and I suppose more.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 26/07/2017 10:42:32
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Replying To seanorinn: "Replying To s goldrick: "unbelievable the whinging that goes on about paying a few euros to see matches and I'll bet the same people would have no problem spending that on a few pints. wise up."
That's fine its okay for the CB to stagger the games for their own greed. The same CB greed that's making Clubs pay up for the debt that the Clubs did not make
cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts:340 - 26/07/2017 08:16:45 2023630
I expect any work that was done to develop your county ground had to be paid for. I expect the 3G and the ground that it's on has to be paid for. I suppose the running of the county teams has to be paid for. If you had McManus he would be a huge asset to the county set up but sadly you don't so all these bills accumulate and have to be paid for. I know the clubs have to support the county in paying all these bills as well. Common sense will tell you off course fresh air will not pay for the upkeep of what you have so hence the reason why there are things called turnstiles to take in badly needed money to pay for all the above and I suppose more." Common sense would tell you that building contracts are allocated at the best price. Yeah we have all heard that one !!!
cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 26/07/2017 11:11:06
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SeanORinn - what about the €50,000 paid for the GPS tracking system last year? Was that really needed?
Where did the jailbreak money go to? grants from HQ.....how much are we paying the Manager, selectors, strength & conditioning coach?
And oddly enough...none of the above mentioned payments were published in the treasurers report at the last AGM.
I dont think the stewards would have any issues doing three matches...they get well looked after.
As for you paying €500 to Club Breffni...why, when you get in free to Breffni Park, and when was the last time you went to see a match in any other venue in Cavan?
As for the the €7 per game...have you seen the state of club football in Cavan!
cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 26/07/2017 11:15:40
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