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Sean o Rinn we had 5 chances to beat Tyrone . So who does the buck stop with? Watch an ageing Donegal team beat Tyrone in the Ulster final . They won't need 5 chances. I'm not here to slag off the management , that's an easy thing to do after yesterday's result. Terry needs to realise he needs experienced help( and I'm not talking anyone within the county) he needs A winner to help him . There no experience in that management group to change the system during the game or at half time .
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 04/07/2016 13:07:56 1876018 Link 1 |
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Very disappointing result yesterday, I suppose one consolation is that we all know that the team aren't that bad. I agree with a lot of poster sentiments especially the way the back line was shuffled coming into the championship. It was totally unfair on Killian Clarke to take him out of fullback after one shaky game against a very good player in Stefan Campbell, with Ciaran Brady and Faulkner also taken out of the back line unit its always going to unsettle the team as they been playing with each other throughout the whole league and also getting used to one another game. I felt that when those players were out of the team cavan lost that pace that was so important to their game. theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 04/07/2016 13:19:08 1876032 Link 0 |
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Have to agree with you awwwwnow, no reflection on terry he is a great honest man, he has done a great job to bring us this far, but he needs help, I think we need leave no stone unturned to get the right help for terry, things that happened yesterday like dunne been pulled out of position the whole game, 3 of the. Goals would never have came some one else should have been told to pick up cavanagh.
blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 04/07/2016 13:30:48 1876039 Link 0 |
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Sean o Rinn we had 5 chances to beat Tyrone . So who does the buck stop with? Watch an ageing Donegal team beat Tyrone in the Ulster final . They won't need 5 chances. I'm not here to slag off the management , that's an easy thing to do after yesterday's result. Terry needs to realise he needs experienced help( and I'm not talking anyone within the county) he needs A winner to help him . There no experience in that management group to change the system during the game or at half time . Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:454 - 04/07/2016 13:07:56 Experience when we had a man with all Ireland medals in his back pocket what happened to him?? We had a quality trainer who was with Val Andrews we left him go after one year and he went on to train the Kerry team to two All Ireland's, we have a habit of leaving quality go because of the know all's. Look Mr Hyland is doing a fair job with what he has at his disposal. I know at times we might differ with certain player's but he is the man leading the pack let him see how they do in Division 1. I think he deserves this opportunity after all. I would 100% be against bringing in an outsider to the post of manager. Who knows maybe Mr Hyland himself might call it a day and I feel this is the only way that he will be going and rightly so. The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 04/07/2016 13:33:10 1876042 Link 0 |
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We just have to pick up ourselves this week and learn the lessons from the last 2 games with Tyrone. For the Carlow match we should rest a number of the players who have gone stale since the League Final and give others in the squad a Championship game. Other than Jim Mc Guinness, James Horan ( mistakes made too on the line) and Jack O'Connor there are no outside Managers capable of bring us to the Tier 1 level. There not going to there present employments to manage Cavan. Next day start with 2 recognized full backs please. Western Blue (Cavan) - Posts: 70 - 04/07/2016 14:23:02 1876094 Link 0 |
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Agree with you for the most part. We played without a full back line. Mackey tried hard, did well, was probably one of our best players but he holds into the ball too long. Keating reluctant to pass, Johnston or J Brady would have scored the ones he missed in the first half. Dunne shouldn't have had the job he had, very naive tactics. The players did what they were told, time for management to man up and accept their part in defeat. And I see today Terry in the HS headlines telling the players it's up to them to go forward and get it right V Carlow! Outrageous statement from a mAnager who set out a team without a full back line to play one of this year's all ireland serious contenders! There were positives to be taken from yesterday, our scoring ability, and the fact the lads never threw in the towel . Unfortunately Terry seems to start his favourites despite their lack of form . Padraig Faulkner and Ciaran Brady deserve a start. Keating has still not proved himself. Martin Reilly needs to cut out lateral play and go direct at speed, but then again he's probably doing what he's told . Here's to another few games to go yet this Summer. Chin up lads, you are better than yesterday, biggest test is to get the heads right for Saturday evening. Cluichepeil (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 04/07/2016 17:37:39 1876301 Link 1 |
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Cavan played Tyrone twice in the league and twice in the championship,we DID NOT play them in the McKenna Cup we played them 4 TIMES but some lazy journalist somewhere said we did and everyone took his word for it, Its a small point, but worth noting. get the facts right. Incidentely, did anyone else notice that Cavan heads didnt drop until the final whistle, cant fault the lads for that ,many teams before would have folded utterly...........
ramor101 (Cavan) - Posts: 289 - 04/07/2016 18:00:15 1876323 Link 0 |
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I still remember where we were before Terry took over and we were poor ,we were the team everyone wanted to get in the draw because we were branded the whipping boys of ulster ,The current Cavan set up are no walkovers , neither do I believe there's that big of gap between us and Tyrone, we have just met them that many times they learned to deal with our style of play .Yes Mickey Harte is the best tactician in the game and he had a good idea what way we would play and he played the Donegal type of blanket defence and fast counter attack against us and we didn't cope well .All in all I hope Terry will become a better manager from this ,Donegal and Tyrone are two teams we have a problem getting to grips with but I believe we will get a good run in the qualifiers and I have great belief in our manager and players. and if we can survive div 1 next year I think we have a lot to be grateful for. bisto kid (Cavan) - Posts: 492 - 04/07/2016 19:30:20 1876392 Link 0 |
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Terry has taken us as far as he can. He can do no more. This has been proven time and time again when we play the big teams. No harm to Terry as he has done his best. We need someone new to take us to the next level. That is obvious. Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 04/07/2016 20:55:03 1876457 Link 0 |
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We changed our whole full back line from the league. Half back line Fergal Flanagan didn't feature much through the league because of injury. So that's 4/6 . We consolidated a fairly settled team towards the end of the league who were scoring quite heavily yet management felt the need to change every line. What was the problem with Seanie yesterday? Was he injured? If not could management not try him and Jack Brady together in the corners playing off Givney. Use the wings if the direct line to Givney failed. Switch it. Paul o Connor is good for a goal or two could replace johnston or Brady if they weren't performing . Keating for Givney if things weren't working out , not Keating with Givney. Mc Dermott to centre forward if fit flanked by mc Vitty and Mackey . Argue /McKiernan/ Corr rotate midfield in case someone was having an off day . Mc Enroe centre back if fully fit flanked by via ran Brady and Moynagh on the wings. With Murray and Martin Reilly to come in if needed . Clarke at full back with Faulkner and mcloughlin if fit. With Dunne and Killian Brady and Flanagan as cover... Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 04/07/2016 20:55:58 1876458 Link 0 |
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i agree with you....although the average age off the aging Donegal team is 25.. it just goes to show that if you have a good manager with a proper gameplan in place, age doesn't matter
wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1720 - 04/07/2016 21:21:53 1876466 Link 0 |
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From what I hear David givney is out for the rest of the year with a bad injury. Hopefully not true. bart_simpson (Cavan) - Posts: 45 - 04/07/2016 22:07:40 1876501 Link 0 |
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Cavan are not to far away from claiming an Ulster title in the next 2/3 years if they had a decent manager... Hyland rarely makes a switch that changes the course of a game.. The way he broke up the shape of the team that finished the league so strongly shows... What on earth was he doing playing 3 big men in the f/f line... I think Mr Hyland ( as he is referred to by Sean O Rinn for some unknown reason ) has come to the end of the line with this team..!! Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 04/07/2016 22:56:42 1876531 Link 0 |
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Gutted by our performance yesterday, after 15 mins i thought we were staying with tyrone and looked good,But the 2 quick goals destroyed us,The full back line completely lost there shape and looked like they wanted to run the ball into the tyrone goal, forgetting about there defensive setup or how quick and deadly tyrone break,we were thought a sharp lesson yesterday about just where we are at ,by a very strong tyrone side, sendithome (Cavan) - Posts: 25 - 05/07/2016 00:56:23 1876564 Link 0 |
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tell me the 5 times we have played Tyrone this year. tell me the ages of the donegal players. tell me the ages of the cavan players. I want facts please not fiction. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 05/07/2016 05:59:36 1876572 Link 0 |
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my starting team to face Carlow, (assuming Givney is injured) s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 05/07/2016 06:16:14 1876573 Link 1 |
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Cavan can play any team they want against Carlow it won't be even a contest.Living close to Carlow I know the quality the have and unfortunately for them it won't be enough to get with in 15 points of the Cavan men. BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 05/07/2016 10:03:07 1876614 Link 0 |
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The thing that disappoints me the most is that the management should have copped that Micky Harte would have worked on the problems they had in the first game and we should have had an alternative plan. desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 209 - 05/07/2016 12:45:21 1876745 Link 0 |
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Who do the winners of Cavan and Carlow play and who is on that side of the draw?
Breffnisbest (Cavan) - Posts: 473 - 05/07/2016 13:17:19 1876767 Link 0 |
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Yeah Terry Hates Kingscourt players, that why he had Alan Clarke as his captain. There are plenty of things to be unhappy about from last Sunday without making up rubbish like this. I think basically the two goals came from two really poor turnovers. After that panic set in and that resulted in more silly stuff. For me it lacked leaders on the pitch to give the message to not panic and chip away at the scoreboard. The game was over at HT, the 2nd half can be discounted. One big question is why no Johnston? What is going on there, tactical reasons as Terry said is a cover for something else surely. Did someone get the hump that they weren't starting? fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1485 - 05/07/2016 13:49:47 1876793 Link 0 |