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Tyrone v Cavan Ulster Semi Final Replay

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "There's no point in slating players and management . Both have done their best and have come up short. ITS TIME for fresh management with fresh ideas because it's all gone stale . Still making the one elementary mistake of carrying the ball into the tackle. Terry has instilled great disipline and heart into the team but tactically he has come up short."
Exactly. Time for change now.

Cavan_Slasher (Cavan) - Posts: 10253 - 03/07/2016 20:34:27    1875610

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Replying To Glynners:  "Wishing the Breifne lads and lassies the best of luck today.
Saw Cian Mackey at our game last night, sizing us up for the final, no doubt.
Hoping you do enough today to get past Tyrone. I have been very impressed with Hyland's tactics these past few games. He has used your strengths to your advantage & it has worked so far.
There is no doubt it'll be a tight battle but sure half the country had us written off as 'past it' & now we're in our 6th final in a row. A one point win is no less a win!
Was reading that you hold the title for 18 Ulster a Finals in a row. No reason you cannot win today & get back to this glory days. It's time for Cavan to step up & be counted.
Ádh mór oraibh a chairde gaoil."
This Donegal man sure knows his football - Donegal management better hope his not putting money on them for final.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 03/07/2016 20:41:08    1875614

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IrishGael3 Not sure how my comments have anything to do with my footballing knowledge. It is open to anyone to wish a team well & that is what I did. Either you are a WUM or a very bad winner & either way you can take a running jump. I wanted Cavan to win; they didn't, have a bit of dignity & get over it as a true 'Gael' would.
Hard luck Cavan & best of luck in the qualifiers.

Glynners (Donegal) - Posts: 109 - 03/07/2016 21:07:27    1875632

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Replying To Glynners:  "IrishGael3 Not sure how my comments have anything to do with my footballing knowledge. It is open to anyone to wish a team well & that is what I did. Either you are a WUM or a very bad winner & either way you can take a running jump. I wanted Cavan to win; they didn't, have a bit of dignity & get over it as a true 'Gael' would.
Hard luck Cavan & best of luck in the qualifiers."
There's no point advocating dignity when you send a post like that - so I guess I'll leave the running and jumping to you. You got your analysis totally wrong about tactics and as I've stated on many posts I totally admire the way Cavan have played since the Meath match but I also stated that Tyrone don't lose many replays and if it's a dry ball they are very dangerous. However I guess your support of Cavan is more a fear of meeting Tyrone than any support you have of Cavan.

IrishGael3 (USA) - Posts: 1092 - 03/07/2016 21:14:09    1875638

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Tyrone a slick outfit when they get going. Harte, Donnelly, Cavanagh would make any team in Ireland. Their club football is also very competitive which helps the county team, and their teams don't get embarrassed in the Ulster Club.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 03/07/2016 21:23:48    1875650

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Unfortunately or maybe fortunately I couldn't make it to Clones today.
Saw delayed coverage on BBC.
Total melt down today, you could drive a bus through our defence but in fairness we didn't lie down even though we were always held at arms length by a well managed talented Tyrone team.
As for looking for Terry's head, I feel this is a knee jerk reaction.
Martin McHugh was right when he said the team need to sit down and take a good look a this game and try rectify the problems. Now's the time for cool heads and reflection.
Carlow is the ideal opportunity and we need to put them to the sword, after that is in the lap of the Gods. Let's see good support next Saturday.

desagov (Cavan) - Posts: 209 - 03/07/2016 21:26:23    1875654

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "Tyrone a slick outfit when they get going. Harte, Donnelly, Cavanagh would make any team in Ireland. Their club football is also very competitive which helps the county team, and their teams don't get embarrassed in the Ulster Club."
That Ulster club argument don't wash Foolsgold . Donegal are appearing in their 6th Ulster final in a row on the back of underage success not club sucesses. Same goes for Tipperary , Roscommon and Galway . If it was about club success well Armagh wouldn't be out would they? It's about leaders on and off the field, plus a little bit of know how. And also about not making the same mistakes 5 times against the same opposition in the one year. We have learned as much as we are going to learn under the present management . We will always be grateful to Terry and co for starting us on the right track . But I believe it's all gone stale and fresh ideas are needed by new EXPERIENCED manager to take us to the next level

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 03/07/2016 21:45:39    1875678

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Replying To desagov:  "Unfortunately or maybe fortunately I couldn't make it to Clones today.
Saw delayed coverage on BBC.
Total melt down today, you could drive a bus through our defence but in fairness we didn't lie down even though we were always held at arms length by a well managed talented Tyrone team.
As for looking for Terry's head, I feel this is a knee jerk reaction.
Martin McHugh was right when he said the team need to sit down and take a good look a this game and try rectify the problems. Now's the time for cool heads and reflection.
Carlow is the ideal opportunity and we need to put them to the sword, after that is in the lap of the Gods. Let's see good support next Saturday."
I don't think it's a knee-jerk reaction tho. .

We came unstuck against a just-above-average Roscommon team 2 years running and looked like we were running out of ideas.

This year, we did well in the league and looked like taking the next step, only for Terry to revert to type with some selections in the championship. What did Padraic Faulkner do wrong?? What did Ciaran Brady do wrong?? How did we give Peter Harte so much room??

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 03/07/2016 22:03:58    1875700

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "That Ulster club argument don't wash Foolsgold . Donegal are appearing in their 6th Ulster final in a row on the back of underage success not club sucesses. Same goes for Tipperary , Roscommon and Galway . If it was about club success well Armagh wouldn't be out would they? It's about leaders on and off the field, plus a little bit of know how. And also about not making the same mistakes 5 times against the same opposition in the one year. We have learned as much as we are going to learn under the present management . We will always be grateful to Terry and co for starting us on the right track . But I believe it's all gone stale and fresh ideas are needed by new EXPERIENCED manager to take us to the next level"
Have to agree.


It's not inconceivable that we make a quarter final through the back door (and we'd run the Connaught champs close if we met them too!). While it'd be great to see, it could mask the fact that we are crying out for someone more tactically astute.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 03/07/2016 22:06:54    1875704

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Replying To desagov:  "Unfortunately or maybe fortunately I couldn't make it to Clones today.
Saw delayed coverage on BBC.
Total melt down today, you could drive a bus through our defence but in fairness we didn't lie down even though we were always held at arms length by a well managed talented Tyrone team.
As for looking for Terry's head, I feel this is a knee jerk reaction.
Martin McHugh was right when he said the team need to sit down and take a good look a this game and try rectify the problems. Now's the time for cool heads and reflection.
Carlow is the ideal opportunity and we need to put them to the sword, after that is in the lap of the Gods. Let's see good support next Saturday."
It would be a pity if you let one 'bad day at the office' destroy your year. The game turned in a two minute spell today when Hate scored the two goals. You have a good squad of players and need to get behind them in the Qualifiers and they will still give you a good run this year.

neverright (Roscommon) - Posts: 1648 - 03/07/2016 22:28:29    1875720

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Hard to know what to say about yesterday's game but perhaps the goals the last day just masked the difference in class between ourselves and Tyrone. We didn't seem to have any way of stopping them when they went forward and they cut us open time after time. We didn't have any leaders on the field. When the going gets tough Gearoid just switches off. I thought Mackey tried hard .
I suppose as supporters we have to just realise we are not yet in the position to win an Ulster final yet disappointing and all as that is.

marita (None) - Posts: 468 - 04/07/2016 08:09:03    1875800

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terrible day. it was like a cavan team of the the 2000s heartless and clueless. big reality check for the lads. Terry has done a marvelous job but has he taken them as far as he can? Too many times on the big occasions he is outgunned and that is when it matters. can he bring us to where we want to be which is winning ulster titles and contesting all irelands? Is it time for the county board to splash the cash and bring in a big big name who can bring us there. we are a very attractive team to manage and an exciting proposition for a manager. But then in saying that Terry cant step across the white line and A lot of these so called top players would need to look at themselves after yesterday.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 197 - 04/07/2016 08:59:12    1875813

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For me the decision to man mark Cavanagh was totally wrong. To take your full back out of position and follow Cavanagh around the field leaving our goals totally exposed just didn't make any sense. Tyrone are a lot more than Sean Cavanagh and I'd say Mattie Donnelly Peter Harte & Tiernan McCann couldn't believe their eyes when the started to run at Cavan with no one at home bar one corner back - either McLoughlin or Brady. It seemed to me like a lot of lads yesterday failed to do their defensive duty .. I seen very little of Clarke Dunne Martin Reilly & Conor Moynagh in a defensive role.. They seemed to want to be attackers for the day. Anyway we're not a bad team over night so we'll learn and hopefully get a decent run in the qualifiers.

StayDownKing (Cavan) - Posts: 24 - 04/07/2016 10:10:23    1875868

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A terrible day yesterday, you really find out about teams when things are going against them. Tyrone shipped 3 goals the first day when conditions were terrible. They survived, because they kept us scoreless for two periods of twenty minutes in the second and fourth quarters and came away with a draw.

We are a long way behind the Tyrone's of this world. We have failed to beat them during the course of the year and indeed the more games that we play against them the bigger the gap is becoming.

Terry has brought the team a long way and deserves great credit for his work. Indeed history may well show that no one else could have brought them any further but I would like to see a change in management at the end of the Championship just in case it makes a positive difference. Hard to believe when we left Clones in 1997 after bringing a famine to an end that it would be replaced by another one. Twenty years and counting next year!

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 04/07/2016 10:19:40    1875875

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Well neverright you have it right. Disregard the scoreline for a minute... the reason the game went the way it did was because of inexperience and panic.

For the first 20 mins we went toe to toe with Tyrone and if keating had his shooting boots we could have been a little ahead. Then they get the first goal where we had some badly missed tackles and in fairness some good movement by Tyrone. For some reason after this we panicked and got it into our heads that we must get a goal too. We commit to attack, turnover and bang goal two...game over.

The script was written for the second half where Tyrone would sit back and invite us on as we had to go for it. They would just hit us on the break. It is a harsh lesson of what failing to keep to a system does.

The only amazing thing about the second half was to see what real GAA is like when the shakles are off. You can call it a training session if you want but both teams kicked outrageous scores, tried things, great movement etc.

I am not actually too dispondent despite the scoreline. Tyrone got to play their game plan and we didn't. There were a few players caught for speed yesterday but mainly the missed tackles was what needs the most work...

Last little point.. I wonder did we have a dustup in the dressing room at HT as in the second half there were certain players that didn't seem to want to pass the ball to each other...

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 04/07/2016 11:00:08    1875901

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Replying To kildare blue:  "A terrible day yesterday, you really find out about teams when things are going against them. Tyrone shipped 3 goals the first day when conditions were terrible. They survived, because they kept us scoreless for two periods of twenty minutes in the second and fourth quarters and came away with a draw.

We are a long way behind the Tyrone's of this world. We have failed to beat them during the course of the year and indeed the more games that we play against them the bigger the gap is becoming.

Terry has brought the team a long way and deserves great credit for his work. Indeed history may well show that no one else could have brought them any further but I would like to see a change in management at the end of the Championship just in case it makes a positive difference. Hard to believe when we left Clones in 1997 after bringing a famine to an end that it would be replaced by another one. Twenty years and counting next year!"
Just in case you all have forgotten Cavan had a very good person involved in the development of our players called Peter Donnelly he knows every player on the county panel and how they can play and their strengths and weaknesses. As a result of this Cavan had no surprises for Tyrone.

Getting a new manager to replace our present manager is a waste of time so why bother.

Maybe time to forget the last seven years and some of the U21 players over that period and start searching for new blood. What we have at the moment have tried their best and given up a lot of their free time or should I say precious time for many are students trying to complete their degrees and hoping to get an A1 honors going forward.

You all can be shouting for players and managements heads but the fact as you all are aliases do you have any right to make any comment about who should or should not be involved when you don't have a spine to show your face.

My personal opinion for what it's worth forget the last twenty ten or five years and try and unearth fresh talent over the championship which will be kicking in shortly and bring in some fresh blood it's the way forward.

You have to let every player out there know that the door is open to everyone with potential so let's move forward with a plan to try and make our current panel stronger.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 04/07/2016 11:03:51    1875904

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I was really hoping Cavan would win this but not to be .

I'm afraid Hyland was tactically outfought again and at this level it's not good enough .

It's okay to get it wrong once or twice but ifs it's a common theme then it's time to go .

A great Cavan man no doubt and had great success but there's no room for sentiment in this game .

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 04/07/2016 11:53:13    1875953

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Just in case you all have forgotten Cavan had a very good person involved in the development of our players called Peter Donnelly he knows every player on the county panel and how they can play and their strengths and weaknesses. As a result of this Cavan had no surprises for Tyrone.

Getting a new manager to replace our present manager is a waste of time so why bother.

Maybe time to forget the last seven years and some of the U21 players over that period and start searching for new blood. What we have at the moment have tried their best and given up a lot of their free time or should I say precious time for many are students trying to complete their degrees and hoping to get an A1 honors going forward.

You all can be shouting for players and managements heads but the fact as you all are aliases do you have any right to make any comment about who should or should not be involved when you don't have a spine to show your face.

My personal opinion for what it's worth forget the last twenty ten or five years and try and unearth fresh talent over the championship which will be kicking in shortly and bring in some fresh blood it's the way forward.

You have to let every player out there know that the door is open to everyone with potential so let's move forward with a plan to try and make our current panel stronger."
Sean, you might set out why, at the end of the Championship, employing a new manager would be a waste of time. I appreciate what Terry Hyland has done for the county and the time he has given to the cause. Nobody can doubt the progress that has been made during his time in charge. Division 1 football is coming our way in February, however, this is his 5th and final year in charge so a decision has to be made one way or the other on the matter.

There are some results that are hard to come back from, I remember well the replay back in 2005 against the same team at the same stage, we lost by more that day but made came back to beat Donegal and Meath before losing to Mayo in the last 12 game. I am hoping for a similar response from the team this time around as well.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 04/07/2016 12:11:34    1875978

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Replying To seanorinn:  "Just in case you all have forgotten Cavan had a very good person involved in the development of our players called Peter Donnelly he knows every player on the county panel and how they can play and their strengths and weaknesses. As a result of this Cavan had no surprises for Tyrone.

Getting a new manager to replace our present manager is a waste of time so why bother.

Maybe time to forget the last seven years and some of the U21 players over that period and start searching for new blood. What we have at the moment have tried their best and given up a lot of their free time or should I say precious time for many are students trying to complete their degrees and hoping to get an A1 honors going forward.

You all can be shouting for players and managements heads but the fact as you all are aliases do you have any right to make any comment about who should or should not be involved when you don't have a spine to show your face.

My personal opinion for what it's worth forget the last twenty ten or five years and try and unearth fresh talent over the championship which will be kicking in shortly and bring in some fresh blood it's the way forward.

You have to let every player out there know that the door is open to everyone with potential so let's move forward with a plan to try and make our current panel stronger."
I don't exactly know how many players Terry has used this past 4 years but it must least stand at 100. If teams are going to make the same mistakes for 5 games against the same opposition like carrying the ball into the tackle time and time again well fresh talent won't change that . It's fresh ideas that are needed. We either need a new management team or a very experienced selector on board who can see the obvious. Terry is obviously clutching at straws. there is no plan B. Lumping the ball into Givney is fine but you need to be able to change the tactic too. Defenders were not quick enough to retreat . We changed our full back after 7 league games . That's criminal . We brought players back who didn't feature in the league then took one off after 25 minutes. He should never have started. Clueless defending .players seem to be under instruction where to stand while defending. Poor shooting . What are they doing in training

Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 04/07/2016 12:16:57    1875982

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Replying To Awwwwnow:  "I don't exactly know how many players Terry has used this past 4 years but it must least stand at 100. If teams are going to make the same mistakes for 5 games against the same opposition like carrying the ball into the tackle time and time again well fresh talent won't change that . It's fresh ideas that are needed. We either need a new management team or a very experienced selector on board who can see the obvious. Terry is obviously clutching at straws. there is no plan B. Lumping the ball into Givney is fine but you need to be able to change the tactic too. Defenders were not quick enough to retreat . We changed our full back after 7 league games . That's criminal . We brought players back who didn't feature in the league then took one off after 25 minutes. He should never have started. Clueless defending .players seem to be under instruction where to stand while defending. Poor shooting . What are they doing in training"
Awwwwnow (Cavan) - Posts:452 - 04/07/2016 12:16:57 1875982

If players are instructed to play a certain way and it fails well to be fair to Mr Hyland he is depending on the eyes of others and if they cannot see whats wrong it's hard to point a finger towards Mr Hyland. I know because he is the manager that no matter what the buck stops with him and he will be the one to fall on the sword.

If Joe McCarthy was getting better and was up to it he would be a major asset to the county and a very knowledgeable reader of the game.

All teams are beatable don't forget that and I am sure Dublin Tyrone Donegal Monaghan Mayo Ect will fall by the wayside at some stage. So let's concentrate on next Sunday and get over Carlow and wait and see what happens after that.
It's been a long year for everyone and I expect they are getting tired.
I am happy we got got promotion so that will do me for 2016.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 04/07/2016 12:53:45    1876010

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