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Replying To The Quiet Man: "I left out Brady in error but you knew who I was referring too. Does not matter anyway." No Sean I genuinely have no clue what you were going on about in your post. I don't even know where you would insert "brady" into it.
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Replying To The Quiet Man: "I left out Brady in error but you knew who I was referring too. Does not matter anyway." If you're not going to debate in good faith, by making clear, concise points, then don't bother. Several people have questioned you now on one of your rants, and you still haven't clarified.
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Replying To The Quiet Man: "Can you afford to carry for I can tell you Tyrone will have him carded so fast it's unbelievable and they will have done their home work on these weaknesses. Thats only on the corner back. Yes Jason was roasted two weeks ago but he has served Cavan well with discipline and tenacity. A midfielder and a forward have been named and to be honest I hope they start for Tyrone will show everyone they are not inter county standard. Joe Dillion and Faulkner destroyed them a few years ago and these two players are still being talked about as the best Cavan have. If Micky was to start these then I would fear for Cavan's future." I read this last night and couldn't make sense of it.
I tried again today and I think I've managed to crack it.
You're referring to a midfielder and a forward from the same club in Cavan, currently on the panel, who got destroyed in a game against Kingscourt a few years back?
I think I know who you're referring to, but like the lads above, I'm not 100% sure if that's what you're even suggesting.. It's a disgraceful post if you are.
Either way, why don't you name a starting 15 and suggest how you think they need to set up to play Tyrone?
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5193 - 02/07/2019 13:42:11
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Some fans are totally deluded on here. Mickey Graham took Cavan to the first Ulster Final in years, he managed a small parish team to a Leinster Club Title, and yet, we have people on here questioning his team selection for the Ulster Final! There were a few injuries around the camp and up until late Friday night, some players underwent fitness tests, some players were left on the bench because they weren't fit to start or indeed last 70 minutes, but in any case, it matters not who started or finished, the simple fact of the matter is Donegal are a far better team than Cavan.
Cavan conceded 1:11 in turnovers - turnovers, because some of our so called experienced players lost the ball by doing silly things. The keep kicked at least 3 balls directly into a Donegal players hands, if a kid did that at underage, it would be understandable, but at inercounty its inexcusable. How many times was Gearoid McKiernan standing in the middle of the field when the Donegal keeper kicked the ball over his head, sure;y after the first kick, McKiernan should have read the script.
As I said, the manager can pick the team, he cant make the decisions on the pitch, its up to McVeety not to carry the ball into the tackle and lose it, its up to defenders to mark their men, its up to the keeper to kick the ball out properly, up to the midfield to read the kickouts, the forwards to kick the ball over the bar, its up to every single player on the pitch to make intelligent decisions.
Thats the different between good players and great players, is intelligence - you can get most club players up to inert county fitness, strength and condition them etc, but unfortunately, if a 22/23 yr old doesn't have footballing intelligence by that age, then he'll never have,
cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 636 - 02/07/2019 13:51:41
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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow: "If you're not going to debate in good faith, by making clear, concise points, then don't bother. Several people have questioned you now on one of your rants, and you still haven't clarified." Have you become a Judge now.
I have not got a clue what post you are on about so if you wish to copy and paste I will check and see if it requires my undivided attention or not.
You want to question me or anyone for that matter show your face you know who I am it's no secret.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 02/07/2019 14:09:35
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Faulkner for McShane, McLoughlin for McCurry, Killian for Donnelly,McAveety for Peter Harte,let Peter Harte worry about McAveety going forward.For this game put Thomas Galligan in the middle with Gearoid and Conor Brady as third midfielder.Despite the new style of play,I reckon this will revert to a defensive counter attacking game.,might suit McAveety and Stephen Murray coming forward at pace.Press up on kickouts and fight like dogs in middle third.
celt2018 (Cavan) - Posts: 160 - 02/07/2019 14:16:24
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Replying To cavanblueman: "Some fans are totally deluded on here. Mickey Graham took Cavan to the first Ulster Final in years, he managed a small parish team to a Leinster Club Title, and yet, we have people on here questioning his team selection for the Ulster Final! There were a few injuries around the camp and up until late Friday night, some players underwent fitness tests, some players were left on the bench because they weren't fit to start or indeed last 70 minutes, but in any case, it matters not who started or finished, the simple fact of the matter is Donegal are a far better team than Cavan.
Cavan conceded 1:11 in turnovers - turnovers, because some of our so called experienced players lost the ball by doing silly things. The keep kicked at least 3 balls directly into a Donegal players hands, if a kid did that at underage, it would be understandable, but at inercounty its inexcusable. How many times was Gearoid McKiernan standing in the middle of the field when the Donegal keeper kicked the ball over his head, sure;y after the first kick, McKiernan should have read the script.
As I said, the manager can pick the team, he cant make the decisions on the pitch, its up to McVeety not to carry the ball into the tackle and lose it, its up to defenders to mark their men, its up to the keeper to kick the ball out properly, up to the midfield to read the kickouts, the forwards to kick the ball over the bar, its up to every single player on the pitch to make intelligent decisions.
Thats the different between good players and great players, is intelligence - you can get most club players up to inert county fitness, strength and condition them etc, but unfortunately, if a 22/23 yr old doesn't have footballing intelligence by that age, then he'll never have," You were deluded last year saying Cavan would beat Donegal in Ballybofey. Now you're clubman is manager Donegal are way ahead of Cavan.. Which most knew they were 12 months ago
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2824 - 02/07/2019 15:16:23
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Replying To celt2018: "Faulkner for McShane, McLoughlin for McCurry, Killian for Donnelly,McAveety for Peter Harte,let Peter Harte worry about McAveety going forward.For this game put Thomas Galligan in the middle with Gearoid and Conor Brady as third midfielder.Despite the new style of play,I reckon this will revert to a defensive counter attacking game.,might suit McAveety and Stephen Murray coming forward at pace.Press up on kickouts and fight like dogs in middle third." Genuine question, and I hear and see loads doing it, why do you call him McAveety? It's McVeety, there's no A in his surname...
Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2450 - 02/07/2019 15:19:15
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Replying To celt2018: "Faulkner for McShane, McLoughlin for McCurry, Killian for Donnelly,McAveety for Peter Harte,let Peter Harte worry about McAveety going forward.For this game put Thomas Galligan in the middle with Gearoid and Conor Brady as third midfielder.Despite the new style of play,I reckon this will revert to a defensive counter attacking game.,might suit McAveety and Stephen Murray coming forward at pace.Press up on kickouts and fight like dogs in middle third." Peter Harte worry about McVitty? You are having a laugh?
Have you watched Peter Harte play?
He's been a thorn in our side this past few years . Shackle him and we are half way there. To think he's going to be worried about McVitty your badly mistaken.
McVittys biggest problem is running up blind alleys and getting turned over time and time again.
Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 02/07/2019 15:28:54
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: " Replying To Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 02/07/2019 16:14:18
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Replying To Hardtimes: " Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
Mike_Clitoris69 (Cavan) - Posts: 230 - 02/07/2019 16:35:26
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: " Replying To Hardtimes: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 02/07/2019 17:06:36
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Replying To The Quiet Man: " Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
I like a lot of posters on here find it difficult to make out what rubbish you post of here. It makes little or no sense
Mike_Clitoris69 (Cavan) - Posts: 230 - 02/07/2019 17:22:40
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Replying To The Quiet Man: " Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
Why?
Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/07/2019 17:23:45
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Replying To Mike_Clitoris69: " Replying To The Quiet Man: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
I like a lot of posters on here find it difficult to make out what rubbish you post of here. It makes little or no sense"]I don't think he bothers following threads, he just reads random replies and goes on a completely unrelated tangent.
We need a mute option for certain poster(s).
Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/07/2019 17:28:33
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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow: " Replying To The Quiet Man: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
Why?"]You can bring a horse to water????
RESPECT
Benjy1000 (Cavan) - Posts: 85 - 02/07/2019 17:29:47
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Replying To Benjy1000: " Replying To Ned_Stormcrow: "[quote=The Quiet Man: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Mike_Clitoris69: "[quote=Hardtimes: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=MadgeKing: "We never get kind draws later in the qualifiers because we are never in the later stages of the qualifiers!
Look, I just think Cavan need to stop feeling sorry for ourselves just because we drew Tyrone. They are the greatest self-promoters off them all, with former players all over the media constantly spinning the line of how brilliant they are. It has a lot of teams beaten before they take the field and we can't fall into that trap.
The cold facts are that they have won 2 Ulster titles in the last 10 years- not the powerhouse they once were. Granted we always struggle to beat them but the match last year was closer than a lot of people remember and we drew with them a couple of years back too. Are we better than then ? Yes. Are they? Probably not.
So its time to lift the heads and expect more from this team that we are supposed to SUPPORT and BELIEVE in.
The match will be in Clones on Saturday night, a huge championship game on a July evening in a great venue. What more could we want? Mickey Graham made a huge mistake by changing his forwards before the final now he has a chance to put it right and go for Tyrone from the off. Don't be giving these shapers the respect they crave, give them the beating they deserve." Just to be clear we have won 4 Ulster titles in the past 10 years- - not 2."
Why?"]You can bring a horse to water????
RESPECT"]You know fanny face you have to be right for Cavan did not win the 2015 U21 title it was Tyrone against Donegal. There was so much talk about going for 4 in a row it slipped my mind that they failed on the way.
So being a dignified person I am human and at times prone to error I stand corrected.
The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4601 - 02/07/2019 17:52:17
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Replying To cavanblueman: "Some fans are totally deluded on here. Mickey Graham took Cavan to the first Ulster Final in years, he managed a small parish team to a Leinster Club Title, and yet, we have people on here questioning his team selection for the Ulster Final! There were a few injuries around the camp and up until late Friday night, some players underwent fitness tests, some players were left on the bench because they weren't fit to start or indeed last 70 minutes, but in any case, it matters not who started or finished, the simple fact of the matter is Donegal are a far better team than Cavan.
Cavan conceded 1:11 in turnovers - turnovers, because some of our so called experienced players lost the ball by doing silly things. The keep kicked at least 3 balls directly into a Donegal players hands, if a kid did that at underage, it would be understandable, but at inercounty its inexcusable. How many times was Gearoid McKiernan standing in the middle of the field when the Donegal keeper kicked the ball over his head, sure;y after the first kick, McKiernan should have read the script.
As I said, the manager can pick the team, he cant make the decisions on the pitch, its up to McVeety not to carry the ball into the tackle and lose it, its up to defenders to mark their men, its up to the keeper to kick the ball out properly, up to the midfield to read the kickouts, the forwards to kick the ball over the bar, its up to every single player on the pitch to make intelligent decisions.
Thats the different between good players and great players, is intelligence - you can get most club players up to inert county fitness, strength and condition them etc, but unfortunately, if a 22/23 yr old doesn't have footballing intelligence by that age, then he'll never have," yes good post but it does beg the question then. If these players that you say have not got football intelligence then why have they been around the team for so long ?
s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 02/07/2019 19:02:59
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Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/07/2019 19:25:06
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Replying To s goldrick: "yes good post but it does beg the question then. If these players that you say have not got football intelligence then why have they been around the team for so long ?" Because they're the best we have.
Take a look at O'Neill and Burns for Armagh. The likelihood is that Armagh will become a force to be reckoned with in the coming years because they'll build a team around these guys. Both are only 21, yet in this years championship played like seasoned veterans. In their debut seasons.
That's because both have natural football intelligence.
Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 02/07/2019 19:43:17
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