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Replying To fredflint:  "Lad, they had better players on the pitch today than we had. It's that simple. We weren't helped by a lack of any obvious game plan but I doubt we'd have prevailed in any case."
The bottom line at any level is you can't let the Opposition waltz in and shoot at will without putting in a tackle. It's called making an effort.
You have lads like Faulkner in the opposition penalty area while we are wide open at the back.
Where's the sense in that?
Until we defend as defenders should we are going to get the same result.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 14/05/2018 04:54:20    2100318

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Replying To fredflint:  "Where was the cavan support? All at home typing comments on internet forums? Felt sorry for the players with such a pathetic whimper from the supporters."
Was the support that few?

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 14/05/2018 07:58:03    2100329

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Actually felt a bit sorry for the Cavan lads watching the game. They are clearly all good footballers and they all have to put in so much effort just to be out on that pitch - we shouldn't forget that. But Donegal are just a far better team with far better players and that was very evident yesterday. Just look at the likes of Michael Murphy. Cavan have never had a player like him in my time watching them.

That all said, there are still things we can point out. The big thing for me is the substitutions. Taking off O'Reilly, Magee, Murray, the Gunner when he was seemingly doing well (I know, the yellow, but come on). Seriously suspect in-game management. Not saying another manager would be winning Ulsters for Cavan, but I would love to see, just for a year or two, what a really top manager could with Cavan. A transformative figure like Gilroy, McGuinness, Horan, one of these guys.

Anyway, on to the Qualifiers.

declando (Cavan) - Posts: 38 - 14/05/2018 08:17:44    2100332

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We were very flat yesterday. Can't understand the management at all. If Mc aveety was fit to come on then he must have been fit to start.
Why was Caoimhin taken off, he looked like out most dangerous forward. Also Niall Murray was he taken off because he was injured?
We didn't seem to have a plan at all.
Donegal have some nice players coming on and I think they will be there or thereabouts in Ulster Final.

marita (None) - Posts: 468 - 14/05/2018 08:19:08    2100333

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Replying To marita:  "We were very flat yesterday. Can't understand the management at all. If Mc aveety was fit to come on then he must have been fit to start.
Why was Caoimhin taken off, he looked like out most dangerous forward. Also Niall Murray was he taken off because he was injured?
We didn't seem to have a plan at all.
Donegal have some nice players coming on and I think they will be there or thereabouts in Ulster Final."
We scored 1-15 against them which is not too bad.
Good to see McKiernan coming back to some sort of form.
We have serious problems defensively. No pressure put on any Donegal attack by our defenders. And that's really worrying.
Getting bodies back in defence is useless if you don't apply pressure of put in tackles.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 14/05/2018 08:59:32    2100347

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "We scored 1-15 against them which is not too bad.
Good to see McKiernan coming back to some sort of form.
We have serious problems defensively. No pressure put on any Donegal attack by our defenders. And that's really worrying.
Getting bodies back in defence is useless if you don't apply pressure of put in tackles."
That's neither here nor there. We were 1-16 to 1-6 down at one stage. That's more a true reflection of Cavan football.
We scored 9 points when the game was over.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 14/05/2018 09:33:43    2100367

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Anyone else notice the contrast in size of our lads and the donegal players? Our lads need better strength and conditioning, and it has been a problem for years.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 14/05/2018 09:50:39    2100376

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Replying To cavan97:  "That's neither here nor there. We were 1-16 to 1-6 down at one stage. That's more a true reflection of Cavan football.
We scored 9 points when the game was over."
Maybe take a look at how we conceded what we did . Defensively we are poor and have been for a number of years

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 14/05/2018 09:58:32    2100382

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "We scored 1-15 against them which is not too bad.
Good to see McKiernan coming back to some sort of form.
We have serious problems defensively. No pressure put on any Donegal attack by our defenders. And that's really worrying.
Getting bodies back in defence is useless if you don't apply pressure of put in tackles."
Poor performance in donegal, we need a proper no 6 to stop the runners up the middle , maybe falkner clarke to full back, madness taking off c reilly after hitting 1-3 ado cole should have started too, any news of liam buchannon i thaught he was nearly ready a couple of weeks ago, killian brady was doing well till he got booked and taken off, i cant under stand why we were so flat not up for the game at all, we need to rise intensity big time. Its not over yet.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 14/05/2018 10:08:21    2100388

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Maybe take a look at how we conceded what we did . Defensively we are poor and have been for a number of years"
I completely agree. Defensively we are poor and yes have been poor for a number of years.
But please don't take heart that we scored 1-15 when 9 points were scored when the game was gone from us. The reality is that when the game was in the melting point and at championship intensity we scored 1-6 to Donegal's 1-16.

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 14/05/2018 10:11:29    2100390

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Replying To cavan97:  "I completely agree. Defensively we are poor and yes have been poor for a number of years.
But please don't take heart that we scored 1-15 when 9 points were scored when the game was gone from us. The reality is that when the game was in the melting point and at championship intensity we scored 1-6 to Donegal's 1-16."
We need a whole re arrangement of the backline. As a poster has already said Faulkner to CB and Clarke to FB. That call has been sticking out a mile for months.
We need wing half back and corner backs who can get the tackle in. Swarm the attacker in possession and at least make it a bit more difficult to score than it was yesterday.
Too many corner back looking to shoot for points with the outside of the boot when their first job is to defend and defend with intensity.
I thought before yesterday we were better than that more fool I . I believe we will strugle to beat anyone in the qualifiers with the lack of intensity we showed yesterday

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 14/05/2018 10:47:16    2100415

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "We need a whole re arrangement of the backline. As a poster has already said Faulkner to CB and Clarke to FB. That call has been sticking out a mile for months.
We need wing half back and corner backs who can get the tackle in. Swarm the attacker in possession and at least make it a bit more difficult to score than it was yesterday.
Too many corner back looking to shoot for points with the outside of the boot when their first job is to defend and defend with intensity.
I thought before yesterday we were better than that more fool I . I believe we will strugle to beat anyone in the qualifiers with the lack of intensity we showed yesterday"
I agree, falkner at 6 Clarke at 3 Killian Brady and figs at 2 and 4 more defensive than Jason and Niall move one of them to wing back with c brady, Martin reilly for me a half forward, Conor Moynagh at 15 to come back as a sweeper

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 885 - 14/05/2018 11:23:19    2100450

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The players themselves also lacked any notable intensity yesterday which is a big concern for such a big game/occasion following promotion to D1 but my main issue is the Clueless management performance yesterday.

We have criticised managers before for being too defensive but you need to start with getting a strong/solid defence or defensive system and build on that.

Mattie has destroyed our whole solidity. There were warning signs of this against Rosc & Tipp and it wasn't fixed. The Dubs, & Galway & Mayo yesterday always seem to have 8 or 9 men between midfield and the goalie when defending opposition attacks, making breaks through the middle for easy points difficult and goal chances almost impossible.

I also agree with the above post about footballing corner backs & half backs. To start with, our defenders need to be strong tacklers and preferably bigger men that can stop runners coming through. After you get that established, then you can start to improve their footballing/attacking skills.

The defeat or even the margin of defeat is not the issue here. We have injuries.

But the managements failure to learn from their mistakes and give the players a chance by putting some basic system in place for them to be competitive against teams with quality attackers is the problem.

One which leads me to think a new manager would be needed for us to make progress next year.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 356 - 14/05/2018 11:25:22    2100452

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the reality is that all of Cavans building over the years has got us to the pinnacle of gaining promotion to division 1 twice. I'm afraid that appears to be the pinnacle so we should take the positive from that.
Some posters on here have mentioned the standard of senior football in Cavan as being the biggest issue. I would be inclined to agree with that. Any of you familiar with the championships in other Ulster counties will know its a major step ahead. Take the Gaels for example. they're a good bit ahead of the pack in Cavan. if you put them in Donegal there's at least 5-6 other teams of the same and better quality. this is filtering through to the senior county panel and yesterday it was so clear to see, people talk about Cavan being surprisingly flat. but honestly they know no better, that was them at full tilt.
I must mention in fairness that Cavans two best players yesterday are from a middle of the road intermediate team and a Junior team, thats Caoimhin and Gearoid. Our senior championship needs looking at now and that's hopefully for the improvement of the Cavan senior team in 10-15 years time.

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 14/05/2018 11:45:05    2100466

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Barring a few facile wins in qualifiers the next 12 months are looking bleak. Only 1 team looked like a Divison 1 outfit yesterday.

ballygowanwater (Cavan) - Posts: 207 - 14/05/2018 12:00:08    2100476

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Replying To theweanling:  "the reality is that all of Cavans building over the years has got us to the pinnacle of gaining promotion to division 1 twice. I'm afraid that appears to be the pinnacle so we should take the positive from that.
Some posters on here have mentioned the standard of senior football in Cavan as being the biggest issue. I would be inclined to agree with that. Any of you familiar with the championships in other Ulster counties will know its a major step ahead. Take the Gaels for example. they're a good bit ahead of the pack in Cavan. if you put them in Donegal there's at least 5-6 other teams of the same and better quality. this is filtering through to the senior county panel and yesterday it was so clear to see, people talk about Cavan being surprisingly flat. but honestly they know no better, that was them at full tilt.
I must mention in fairness that Cavans two best players yesterday are from a middle of the road intermediate team and a Junior team, thats Caoimhin and Gearoid. Our senior championship needs looking at now and that's hopefully for the improvement of the Cavan senior team in 10-15 years time."
You're absolutely right. But we've been saying the exact same thing for decades now, the standard of club football is dire. We're officially the worst Ulster county when it comes to club championship football. Behind Fermanagh and Antrim. How come Monaghan's club teams are competitive? Answer - small population = less clubs. And that's the issue in Cavan, we have a small population and too many clubs. Absolutely no disrespect to Corlough or Maghera, but why is it necessary for them to be stand alone clubs? Let's face it the only time they have a realistic chance of winning a game is when they face each other. There are other examples of clubs that should look to join up, but sadly localism prevails over the interest of the county.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 14/05/2018 12:06:57    2100480

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What can you say after yesterday? The most demoralizing day since losing to Antrim in 09. While the win was always going to be unlikely it was the manner of the defeat that's hard to take. In fairness the lads got themselves in a good position early on with the goal and were looking competitive. Then it all crumbles after conceding a criminally soft goal. Air out of the tyres, all over. Nobody laid a hand on Donegal after that. We were lucky they started messing around in the last 10 minutes of the first half or it would have been a 10+ points deficit at half time. Having got off the hook they then turn around and let Donegal stretch the lead in the first 2 minutes of second half- just awful game management.
Decisions on subs added to the feeling of cluelessness. Moynagh, O'Reilly,Clarke and GMK did well up to a point. Galligan was excellent and needed to be.
I don't see any stomach for a run in the qualifiers in this group. Hope we don't get a tour of pointless matches against similarly bad teams. Give us Mayo, get it over with quick. I am already dreading next year's league.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 493 - 14/05/2018 12:10:02    2100484

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CB is crying out for Faulkner and I can't believe Mattie or Terry can't or couldn't see that.
It's sticking out like a sore thumb.
He has pace, can tackle and above all he can read a game.,
Until we solve that 1 position we are going nowhere regardless of anything else.
Every team that ever won anything had a good centre back.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 14/05/2018 12:32:08    2100504

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "You're absolutely right. But we've been saying the exact same thing for decades now, the standard of club football is dire. We're officially the worst Ulster county when it comes to club championship football. Behind Fermanagh and Antrim. How come Monaghan's club teams are competitive? Answer - small population = less clubs. And that's the issue in Cavan, we have a small population and too many clubs. Absolutely no disrespect to Corlough or Maghera, but why is it necessary for them to be stand alone clubs? Let's face it the only time they have a realistic chance of winning a game is when they face each other. There are other examples of clubs that should look to join up, but sadly localism prevails over the interest of the county."
It has been tried before and do you know the people who are preventing the merging of clubs or amalgamating for championships are the people who aren't playing. truth be told a lot of the players in clubs would be happy enough.
We need to change our attitude on the club front. Cavan are crying out for success

theweanling (Cavan) - Posts: 414 - 14/05/2018 12:34:21    2100506

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We were well beaten yesterday and we just can't limit the damage during our bad patches. It was the same against Roscommon in the League Final. Donegal will play the Ulster Final and may well play in an All Ireland Semi Final.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 578 - 14/05/2018 12:55:02    2100517

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