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Club Championships - Football 2019

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I explained it earlier. Bottom team relegated. If two teams on same points then play off. Maryland relegated last year as they finished bottom.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 11/08/2019 20:02:08    2224248

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Group 2 of Senior is well placed now. Kinnegad should beat The Bridge and qualify. Winner takes all then between Rosemount and Shandonagh. Will be a tight one. Pressure all on Rosemount as Shandonagh in bonus territory now.
Group 1 Garrycastle in semi unless they lose to Lomans by a huge margin. Shamrocks and Lomans through. Second place is the one they'll want there as they'll avoid the other two in semi. Mad to think Athlone can still qualify after losing their first 4. Think The Downs will beat them though and qualify without needing a playoff.

Intermediate is just crazy. What a championship. Nothing between all of group 1.

Andy_Capp (Westmeath) - Posts: 256 - 11/08/2019 21:59:29    2224315

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Replying To jamsie:  "You sure?
I thought the wording was that you couldn't be eliminated from the championship on scoring difference or head to head. I think you can be relegated though.

Great win for Kilbeggan. Either Tubberclair or Malachys going to junior."
Planning report 2019
Note: Should two teams finish in equal points at the bottom of Group 2, a play-off will take place, the loser of which will be relegated to JFC for 2020.

Moorehead (Westmeath) - Posts: 107 - 11/08/2019 22:33:32    2224330

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In the Intermediate group 1 all six teams are still in contention for the knock out stages. In recent weeks Milltownpass, Caulry and Moate have turned their fortunes around. Tang are in the quarter final what ever the out come. Great Championship.

Icehouse (Westmeath) - Posts: 32 - 12/08/2019 07:33:45    2224421

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Replying To Moorehead:  "Planning report 2019
Note: Should two teams finish in equal points at the bottom of Group 2, a play-off will take place, the loser of which will be relegated to JFC for 2020."
Thanks for the clarification.

Andy_Capp (Westmeath) - Posts: 256 - 12/08/2019 09:33:53    2224456

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Senior Championship is after getting interesting after the weekends results. Garrycastle look to have booked there place in the semi final and it's between Lomans/Shamrocks for 2nd place.
Then if Athlone beat the The Downs and Shamrocks best Tyrrellspass this weekend then we will have a 3 way playoff for the final Q/F place or we could have a two way playoff if The Downs and Tyrrellspass win.

In group 2 Kinnegad look to be in the Q/F if they don't slip up against St Mary's.
After rosemount looking like they would walk Group 2 if they lose on Saturday they will be out and shandonagh will make there 1st ever Senior Q/F

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 12/08/2019 10:11:19    2224491

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What a great championship it's turning out to be. Some interesting possibilities next weekend, especially in intermediate. Think the current structure works well. I think the junior is a bit of a farce though. Why is there a need for everyone to play twice, they should look at this for next year.

Ferrett (Westmeath) - Posts: 51 - 12/08/2019 13:21:59    2224625

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Agree re senior and intermediate. Last round of matches and in senior think every club bar killucan has something to play for. In intermediate every match is crucial. Problem in junior is not enough competitive clubs and in fairness some clubs are doing their level best.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 12/08/2019 14:41:52    2224672

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Replying To Bellewest:  "Agree re senior and intermediate. Last round of matches and in senior think every club bar killucan has something to play for. In intermediate every match is crucial. Problem in junior is not enough competitive clubs and in fairness some clubs are doing their level best."
The junior is a hard one to get right. The stonger teams like Bal and Finea would benefit from being in same group as second teams from the big senior clubs, like it used to be. Instead of the segregation now. Kilbeggan beat The Downs in semi last year by a whisker. Brought them on a ton for the final.
However I understand why the smaller junior clubs don't want to go back to that way.
Groups 3 and 4 are a joke as outside of maybe 6 clubs others don't have the numbers to have a second championship team, yet still enter. You need 50 players you can call on if you want to be sure to field 2 championship teams without giving walkovers. Some gave walkovers in the first round.

Andy_Capp (Westmeath) - Posts: 256 - 12/08/2019 16:07:10    2224732

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Replying To Andy_Capp:  "The junior is a hard one to get right. The stonger teams like Bal and Finea would benefit from being in same group as second teams from the big senior clubs, like it used to be. Instead of the segregation now. Kilbeggan beat The Downs in semi last year by a whisker. Brought them on a ton for the final.
However I understand why the smaller junior clubs don't want to go back to that way.
Groups 3 and 4 are a joke as outside of maybe 6 clubs others don't have the numbers to have a second championship team, yet still enter. You need 50 players you can call on if you want to be sure to field 2 championship teams without giving walkovers. Some gave walkovers in the first round."
Agreed, only 1 of the senior 2nd teams can qualify for the knockout stages which is a joke!
Junior championship would be very interesting if junior and senior 2nd teams were mixed

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 12/08/2019 16:40:29    2224751

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Replying To Temple56:  "Agreed, only 1 of the senior 2nd teams can qualify for the knockout stages which is a joke!
Junior championship would be very interesting if junior and senior 2nd teams were mixed"
The problem is if you play someone like Mullingar in round 1 they are much stronger than later so it's not balanced for everyone else.

Jack_Sparrow (Westmeath) - Posts: 852 - 12/08/2019 18:54:11    2224836

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Replying To Jack_Sparrow:  "The problem is if you play someone like Mullingar in round 1 they are much stronger than later so it's not balanced for everyone else."
Let's be honest the make up of the championships need change. 12 clubs play senior, 12 clubs intermediate and 7 play junior.

jobber (Westmeath) - Posts: 740 - 13/08/2019 07:18:19    2224993

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Senior and intermediate championships this year have been great contests Jobber. Every match bar a couple have been closely contested. Nine clubs still genuine contenders in intermediate with one round left. In senior think there's eight clubs still contending. Relegation not decided yet either. Why change two competitions that are working brilliantly? What's your club?

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 13/08/2019 12:01:41    2225078

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Replying To Temple56:  "Agreed, only 1 of the senior 2nd teams can qualify for the knockout stages which is a joke!
Junior championship would be very interesting if junior and senior 2nd teams were mixed"
You're obviously not from a junior club who's doing their best to keep things going, so disheartening for a club to end up being knocked out solely based on what order their games were drawn e.g getting lomans or shamrocks in the first round as opposed to the last round. It's quite frightening the difference in the players between them two rounds

westmeathgaa11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 22 - 13/08/2019 12:14:33    2225082

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Replying To Temple56:  "Agreed, only 1 of the senior 2nd teams can qualify for the knockout stages which is a joke!
Junior championship would be very interesting if junior and senior 2nd teams were mixed"
In the first round of Junior Championship this year there were walkovers given by Senior teams 2nd teams which had entered JFC. For this reason in my opinion there must be a clear distinction in the groups between Junior clubs who are trying to go up and improve and the Senior clubs 2nd teams. If you look at the tables now it's Groups 3 and 4 which are a joke, the pure Junior clubs are trying their level best. It's a tough one to sort out, we all want to see as many players getting games as possible with no walkovers happening

Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 296 - 13/08/2019 12:21:01    2225083

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Replying To Darragh:  "In the first round of Junior Championship this year there were walkovers given by Senior teams 2nd teams which had entered JFC. For this reason in my opinion there must be a clear distinction in the groups between Junior clubs who are trying to go up and improve and the Senior clubs 2nd teams. If you look at the tables now it's Groups 3 and 4 which are a joke, the pure Junior clubs are trying their level best. It's a tough one to sort out, we all want to see as many players getting games as possible with no walkovers happening"
The Downs, Athlone, Garrycastle, Lomans and Shamrocks are the five teams that never give walk overs in junior championship obviously because all of these 5 clubs have 40+ lads training over the year.
These 5 clubs are also very strong and in the last decade all have them have made it to the knockout stages and 2 of them have won the competition. Not saying other clubs shouldn't enter the junior championship but maybe if other clubs were put into a junior B championship with the winner of that getting a chance to play in the junior championship the year after. This would give all teams a chance to win something and there wouldn't be as many walkovers.

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 13/08/2019 23:14:14    2225344

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Replying To Temple56:  "The Downs, Athlone, Garrycastle, Lomans and Shamrocks are the five teams that never give walk overs in junior championship obviously because all of these 5 clubs have 40+ lads training over the year.
These 5 clubs are also very strong and in the last decade all have them have made it to the knockout stages and 2 of them have won the competition. Not saying other clubs shouldn't enter the junior championship but maybe if other clubs were put into a junior B championship with the winner of that getting a chance to play in the junior championship the year after. This would give all teams a chance to win something and there wouldn't be as many walkovers."
Good observation Temple which I think brings up a deeper issue. All the clubs you mention are from the big towns (Downs is effectively Mgar) . At senior they have dominated over last decade and it seems will continue to do so - at least this year! So I think there is a gradual Dublin/premier league situation developing, 3 or 4 elite town teams and many rural clubs struggling to field a team... and when that doesn't happen the odd good rural player will move on . eg ballinagre.

jfd (Westmeath) - Posts: 180 - 14/08/2019 10:52:33    2225441

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Replying To Temple56:  "The Downs, Athlone, Garrycastle, Lomans and Shamrocks are the five teams that never give walk overs in junior championship obviously because all of these 5 clubs have 40+ lads training over the year.
These 5 clubs are also very strong and in the last decade all have them have made it to the knockout stages and 2 of them have won the competition. Not saying other clubs shouldn't enter the junior championship but maybe if other clubs were put into a junior B championship with the winner of that getting a chance to play in the junior championship the year after. This would give all teams a chance to win something and there wouldn't be as many walkovers."
You could still never mix them in the group stages with sole junior clubs, first round vs final round squad strength is the main problem

westmeathgaa11 (Westmeath) - Posts: 22 - 14/08/2019 12:09:20    2225485

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Replying To westmeathgaa11:  "You could still never mix them in the group stages with sole junior clubs, first round vs final round squad strength is the main problem"
Same issue with intermediate hurling teams. You could make the senior second teams play each other in the opening rounds to try and even it out. That way after a few rounds of actual senior, the junior teams should be weakened.

soreknee (Westmeath) - Posts: 117 - 14/08/2019 12:46:42    2225516

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Replying To westmeathgaa11:  "You could still never mix them in the group stages with sole junior clubs, first round vs final round squad strength is the main problem"
Yes I agree. Have the the group 1/2 of the junior stay the same and then have a group 3 that only contains these five clubs and the bottom team each year should be relegated to the the senior B competition As suggested earlier and the senior B winner getting to complete in the Junior group 3 the following year.

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 14/08/2019 13:16:42    2225538

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