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Replying To Temple56:  "I agree Garrycastle forwards have been flying this year and the depth off the bench is very strong. In the semi final They had Conor Cosgrove, Ger heneghan, James Sheerin that came off the bench and I also saw Cathal Mannion's name in the program in my opinion he was one of there top forwards last year before a bad knee injury and hasn't played any football this year so i wonder will he be fit? I think on Sunday it will be two top forward lines going toe to toe"
Nail on the head

daboru (Westmeath) - Posts: 50 - 13/10/2019 20:35:00    2243228

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Another excellent county final, similar in quality to last year's. Credit to Garrycastle, arguably their sweetest triumph since their first one in 2001. Didn't deserve to be eight points down at half time, Jason Daly was superb for Lomans. David Windsor and Ken Casey were influential for Lomans in first half but their big players failed to show in the second half of a county final for second year in succession. Conor Cosgrove and James Sheerin were great subs and Alex Gardiner and Doran Harte were superb. Fitting swan song for Des Dolan, his 8th county medal, interesting to see who succeeds Luke Dempsey who seems certain to quit.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 13/10/2019 21:00:45    2243235

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Well done both sides on a cracking game of football. Huge second half from Garrycastle and deserving winners. Gardiner caused havoc in the 2nd half. Showed balls to take and score the second penalty after missing one in the first half. Lomans couldn't get going after half time! Congrats to Dessie Dolan on a fantastic career, hopefully they can do something in Leinster!

westmeathman99 (Westmeath) - Posts: 38 - 13/10/2019 22:13:48    2243252

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Great final today, Garrycastles experienced players really stood up in second half. Lomans lost the mid field battle Sharry a huge loss to them. Senior championship starting to open up I can see The Downs having a go next year. Hard luck to Kinnegad in the u17, very hard to beat a team that had half of the county playing

Moorehead (Westmeath) - Posts: 107 - 13/10/2019 23:25:13    2243262

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Under 17 final was a fine game. Kinnegad played very well and lost it in a four minute spell when they went from four points up to four down in the last quarter. Young Leech's injury didn't help and St Martin's had a physically stronger team with the two Hanley's, Keena, Conor Gibney and Ben Mc Gauran. Difficult to understand why such a strong amalgamation was allowed into competition. Killucan deservedly won under 16 title last year and would have fancied their chances this year in under 17. St Martin's beat them in semi final. Four strongish intermediate clubs versus one average senior club hardly makes sense. Will St Martin's be allowed to compete in minor next year? Credit to the players on both sides as it was a fine game.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 14/10/2019 09:02:54    2243282

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Replying To Bellewest:  "Under 17 final was a fine game. Kinnegad played very well and lost it in a four minute spell when they went from four points up to four down in the last quarter. Young Leech's injury didn't help and St Martin's had a physically stronger team with the two Hanley's, Keena, Conor Gibney and Ben Mc Gauran. Difficult to understand why such a strong amalgamation was allowed into competition. Killucan deservedly won under 16 title last year and would have fancied their chances this year in under 17. St Martin's beat them in semi final. Four strongish intermediate clubs versus one average senior club hardly makes sense. Will St Martin's be allowed to compete in minor next year? Credit to the players on both sides as it was a fine game."
these amalgamations will be county board policy going forward

won't be long until adult clubs are joining up

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1718 - 14/10/2019 10:49:59    2243333

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Great Final yesterday what day it was for Westmeath football.
Garrycastle have been the better team all year and deserved it but to be 8 points down at half time and to limit Lomans to 2 points after half time after they looked unstoppable in the 1st half is some achievement.

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 44 - 14/10/2019 10:59:44    2243338

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Well done to st martins. Good team but have to say the amalgamation is a joke. Maryland/Tang has been a very strong underage team for a few years now, what was the point in making them stronger. Milmore (Ballymore & Miltown) have also done well at underage it makes no sense. 35 lads on the programme yesterday. No doubt other lads from the areas have stopped playing due to a lack of opportunity with their clubs. While the lads on the team will benefit from the amalgamation it's bad for other clubs, lads in the area with lesser ability and the completion as a whole. Interested to hear what others think.

westmeathman99 (Westmeath) - Posts: 38 - 14/10/2019 11:12:39    2243347

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It seems ridiculous that 4 Intermediate clubs need to band together to form one Under 17 team. They are a fine team and it's not the players fault but when amalgamations start amalgamating it makes a bit of a joke of the competition. As other posters have noted why are we not trying to expand the number of kids playing rather than diluting it down

Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 296 - 14/10/2019 11:42:50    2243360

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Replying To Darragh:  "It seems ridiculous that 4 Intermediate clubs need to band together to form one Under 17 team. They are a fine team and it's not the players fault but when amalgamations start amalgamating it makes a bit of a joke of the competition. As other posters have noted why are we not trying to expand the number of kids playing rather than diluting it down"
U17 is a knock-out tournament that avoids the complications having U18 minor finals as curtain raisers. A number of Clubs declined to partake and amalgamations were allowed to increase participation. It isn't intended as a replacement for the U16 and U18 league based championships. Kinnegad and The Downs meet in the minor final in 2 weeks.

midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 36 - 14/10/2019 12:53:22    2243379

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Replying To midfield9:  "U17 is a knock-out tournament that avoids the complications having U18 minor finals as curtain raisers. A number of Clubs declined to partake and amalgamations were allowed to increase participation. It isn't intended as a replacement for the U16 and U18 league based championships. Kinnegad and The Downs meet in the minor final in 2 weeks."
Fair enough, that makes sense. I don't know if I would put it on before a Senior final though, maybe Div 1 final of U18 would be more appropriate

Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 296 - 14/10/2019 13:21:20    2243388

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Replying To Darragh:  "Fair enough, that makes sense. I don't know if I would put it on before a Senior final though, maybe Div 1 final of U18 would be more appropriate"
U18s can play senior whereas u17s can't. If The Downs had beaten Lomans then they would have been in both the senior and u18 final. Removes the possibility of a young player being put in a difficult position. I'm guessing that's the reasoning.

jamsie (Westmeath) - Posts: 245 - 14/10/2019 14:12:50    2243405

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Replying To jamsie:  "U18s can play senior whereas u17s can't. If The Downs had beaten Lomans then they would have been in both the senior and u18 final. Removes the possibility of a young player being put in a difficult position. I'm guessing that's the reasoning."
Good point Jamsie, you are right I wasn't thinking about the crossover to Senior

Darragh (Westmeath) - Posts: 296 - 14/10/2019 14:56:33    2243424

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Replying To midfield9:  "U17 is a knock-out tournament that avoids the complications having U18 minor finals as curtain raisers. A number of Clubs declined to partake and amalgamations were allowed to increase participation. It isn't intended as a replacement for the U16 and U18 league based championships. Kinnegad and The Downs meet in the minor final in 2 weeks."
Amalgamations are NOT allowed under rule for just one competition
The clubs have to amalgamate for all competitions from U14 up to minor
Or was this rule ignored

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1718 - 14/10/2019 17:21:11    2243481

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Replying To valley84:  "Amalgamations are NOT allowed under rule for just one competition
The clubs have to amalgamate for all competitions from U14 up to minor
Or was this rule ignored"
Rules on amalgamations etc apply to championship and league competitions. The U17 is a knockout tournament and independent teams can be formed to take part. St Vincents and Clann na Gael joined up in the hurling U17 to take part. St Martins isn't an "Amalgamation". If clubs agreed we could have more group teams taking part in these types of tournaments. The whole point is to encourage participation.

midfield9 (Westmeath) - Posts: 36 - 14/10/2019 17:32:56    2243491

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Encourage participation? How? By having on average 3-4 players from intermediate clubs on one team. Let's be honest, two combined clubs together is to encourage participation, ensure players get meaningful matches, amalgamation of four clubs has one aim: win the competition. Millmore or Maryland/Tang would surely have fielded in under 17. It was a good final with a lot of quality players on show. The football finals so far including under 16, 17, junior, intermediate and senior have been great matches with high scoring and no controversy. Kinnegad vs The Downs in minor likely to be good contest too.

Bellewest (Westmeath) - Posts: 150 - 14/10/2019 18:14:48    2243504

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Don't get all these clubs amalgamating to play in the top tier. It was my understanding that teams amalgamated when one or both clubs couldn't field a team on their own. Then when they amalgamated they would find their level/division and compete. This helped both clubs by bringing young players on who otherwise wouldn't have had the opportunity.
Amalgamating 3 and 4 clubs almost has the opposite affect, apart from it being a bit unfair to the bigger stand alone clubs, it also alienates the young players that are not getting a look in. Some players take longer to develop and some are only starting to take gaa serious at 15,16 or 17, it's easy put them off at that age unless they are very determined.
What's the logic in it? Is it to have the best players all in one championship playing against each other to try bring them on a bit more?

borisdblade (Westmeath) - Posts: 118 - 14/10/2019 18:55:19    2243513

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Replying To midfield9:  "U17 is a knock-out tournament that avoids the complications having U18 minor finals as curtain raisers. A number of Clubs declined to partake and amalgamations were allowed to increase participation. It isn't intended as a replacement for the U16 and U18 league based championships. Kinnegad and The Downs meet in the minor final in 2 weeks."
Minor premier football championship has been U17 since 2017 not U18

RAHKILL (Westmeath) - Posts: 395 - 14/10/2019 19:44:33    2243526

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Clubs have insisted that minor stays at U18 and fair play to them, giving young lads an extra year at underage to physically develop.

The amalgamation is a joke, four clubs joined together. You only need 4 strong players from each club to make a strong team & subs. Whatever happened to competing at your own level and if you want to compete at a higher level then you train and get better. 34 lads on the panel, would it not mean more to lads down the panel to win a division 2 with their own club and actually play rather than be on the bench for a made up team?

Wmeath2 (Westmeath) - Posts: 95 - 14/10/2019 20:21:33    2243534

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Replying To midfield9:  "Rules on amalgamations etc apply to championship and league competitions. The U17 is a knockout tournament and independent teams can be formed to take part. St Vincents and Clann na Gael joined up in the hurling U17 to take part. St Martins isn't an "Amalgamation". If clubs agreed we could have more group teams taking part in these types of tournaments. The whole point is to encourage participation."
That rule only applies to adult competitions eg U20/U21 where one off amalgamations were always allowed

It seems as if the CB make these rules up as they go along

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1718 - 14/10/2019 20:29:52    2243536

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