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Is David Clifford The Best Footballer In The Country Right Now?

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Replying To sligo joe:  "I can't find any post on this thread that "dismisses" David Clifford" or his ability, many posters don't agree that he is the best footballer in the country Right Now but virtually all have complimented his talent and potential. Ironically the antrim poster did dismiss Con O'Callaghan when he said his equal could be found on many teams, simply not true, and dismissive of a great young player."
You would call making comparisons dismissing his talent now would you? Amd BTW i said his equal would be found on many teams in the future as the game contimue to evolve

Now catch yourself on fella, not even worth giving you any more of a response to that

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 07/11/2019 15:08:04    2248323

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Replying To jimbodub:  "How's it going nowhere man! Nah not me red thumbing just other posters expressing their own opinions. It does happen..

It's my opinion.

I don't think he'll have the same impact seen at Minor at senior level.

How is that dismissing him?

I've yet to see an equal comparison of the dominace he enjoyed over defenders at Minor..

He had a large physical advantage at Minor and was physically just far stronger and bigger than most of his markers.. man versus boys at times.

But these things happen at Minor level

He scored many more goals at Minor.

He's not at the same level at senior where he was practically unstoppable at minor.

He's still done very well at senior but simply does not enjoy the same level of sheer dominance he once enjoyed.

He had a great break out year and dropped off that level in 2019.

It's up to you how you want to twist my words

But again.. I doubt he'll ever again enjoy the level of advantage he held at Minor level.

There's a far better quality of defender on him now that obviously have figured him out better at this level and are equally as strong.

There's much better tactical minds at play off the pitch working hard to limit him at senior.

Hence no goals in 2019 and O'Shea took the mantle of most impressive Kerry forward

.... and Brian Howard at Half back!

That's why Clifford has an All Star in 2019 but at least the Sunday Game team got it far closer. Although they didn't get POTY right.

Cluxton by a nose over Con."
I didnt even think it would come into question that Clifford was more desrving of an All Star in the forwards than Brian Howard? It would have been nothing short of a disgrace if Howard had been given one in place of Clifford in the forwards.

Statemens like that cant hide the spite coming from lads

Howard a good footballer dont get me wrong but on a forwards scale competing for All stars, im sorry but clifford wins that over howard this year 11 times out of 10

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 07/11/2019 15:27:48    2248335

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Replying To jimbodub:  "How's it going nowhere man! Nah not me red thumbing just other posters expressing their own opinions. It does happen..

It's my opinion.

I don't think he'll have the same impact seen at Minor at senior level.

How is that dismissing him?

I've yet to see an equal comparison of the dominace he enjoyed over defenders at Minor..

He had a large physical advantage at Minor and was physically just far stronger and bigger than most of his markers.. man versus boys at times.

But these things happen at Minor level

He scored many more goals at Minor.

He's not at the same level at senior where he was practically unstoppable at minor.

He's still done very well at senior but simply does not enjoy the same level of sheer dominance he once enjoyed.

He had a great break out year and dropped off that level in 2019.

It's up to you how you want to twist my words

But again.. I doubt he'll ever again enjoy the level of advantage he held at Minor level.

There's a far better quality of defender on him now that obviously have figured him out better at this level and are equally as strong.

There's much better tactical minds at play off the pitch working hard to limit him at senior.

Hence no goals in 2019 and O'Shea took the mantle of most impressive Kerry forward

.... and Brian Howard at Half back!

That's why Clifford has an All Star in 2019 but at least the Sunday Game team got it far closer. Although they didn't get POTY right.

Cluxton by a nose over Con."
Another classic Jimbo essay that actually answers nothing.

Also good to see you're trying to convince us you've only the one account.

Once again with the being from nowhere comments. How come you've no issues with users who have US etc as their country when they agree with you?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 346 - 07/11/2019 15:35:28    2248337

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Come jimbo tell us what your problem is when it comes to Clifford?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 346 - 07/11/2019 15:37:16    2248338

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Replying To boman11:  "You would call making comparisons dismissing his talent now would you? Amd BTW i said his equal would be found on many teams in the future as the game contimue to evolve

Now catch yourself on fella, not even worth giving you any more of a response to that"
By the same logic, any player's equal or better will be found in the future, so not sure we can even discuss Clifford's greatness given this eventuality.

Why not stick to the timeframe we are at now. Seasons 2015 to 2019 you said are the terms of reference.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3744 - 07/11/2019 15:48:37    2248346

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its remarkable the amount of passionate fans, David Clifford has developed recently in relatively new posters in places like Antrim and his massive following in the UK.

Stranger still that these posters all post in the same style and bereft of a full stop. ;)

Hopefully they all dont forget to green thumb each other! ;D"
Oh to have a fraction of the time these Kerry lads have on their hands. As least try and disguise yourselves lads!

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 3965 - 07/11/2019 15:51:17    2248347

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Replying To boman11:  "You would call making comparisons dismissing his talent now would you? Amd BTW i said his equal would be found on many teams in the future as the game contimue to evolve

Now catch yourself on fella, not even worth giving you any more of a response to that"
Ah well I suppose that's a compliment to Con so, Clifford you reckon is the best right now, but the game needs to evolve to get more players of Con's ability, very confusing, but great to know that you can see the future, you're no joke, really you're not.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 148 - 07/11/2019 16:15:39    2248349

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Replying To oneoff:  "Come jimbo tell us what your problem is when it comes to Clifford?"
Very simple answer

I think he's over hyped in 2019 and not the best player in the country. Isn't that the topic?

Despite the wishful thinking of his supporters trying to predict his fortunes in the coming years, he's not there yet whatsoever.

IMO he simply won't have the same impacts at senior that he greatly enjoyed playing against underdeveloped opposition players at minor and if you are that as a slight against him then that's due to your own sensitivity on the subject.

Why are you do sensitive?

Same as Gerrys poor mouthing above.

IMO he's fortunate to have won an All Star in 2019 and Howard was incorrectly moved out of the forwards to accommodate him at the expense of a number of players that deserved that half back position.

The Sunday Game team was simply a better team.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19820 - 07/11/2019 16:16:51    2248350

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Jim if you want to play that game they could have easily moved Howard to midfield in place of Fenton who was soundly beaten in both finals and got the award on reputation IMO. Howard was even named there in 2018 so there is a precedent there.

You are accusing others of being overly sensitive but you must have 20-30 posts of mostly utter nonsense on this topic.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1790 - 07/11/2019 16:34:22    2248354

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Very simple answer

I think he's over hyped in 2019 and not the best player in the country. Isn't that the topic?

Despite the wishful thinking of his supporters trying to predict his fortunes in the coming years, he's not there yet whatsoever.

IMO he simply won't have the same impacts at senior that he greatly enjoyed playing against underdeveloped opposition players at minor and if you are that as a slight against him then that's due to your own sensitivity on the subject.

Why are you do sensitive?

Same as Gerrys poor mouthing above.

IMO he's fortunate to have won an All Star in 2019 and Howard was incorrectly moved out of the forwards to accommodate him at the expense of a number of players that deserved that half back position.

The Sunday Game team was simply a better team."
"Why are you do sensitive?"

Yes I'm the whos sensitive. Coming from the man who's going to such lengths to dismiss Clifford. You say Howard being moved was to accommodate him, maybe Howard was moved just to give him an All-star but no of course not it had to be the other way around. The funny thing is if Clifford was from Dublin and doing what he's doing at the moment you'd the first to hype him you

Still no answer on why you don't question where people are from when they agree with you?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 346 - 07/11/2019 16:49:37    2248360

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Its remarkable the amount of passionate fans, David Clifford has developed recently in relatively new posters in places like Antrim and his massive following in the UK.

Stranger still that these posters all post in the same style and bereft of a full stop. ;)

Hopefully they all dont forget to green thumb each other! ;D"
Bit like the mass of Dublin fans from Antrim and Kildare? Or is that different because they say things you agree with?

You should give them tips on green thumbs seeing as you're very busy with it and all of your accounts...

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 346 - 07/11/2019 16:54:19    2248363

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We can agree to disagree i think, near 20 pages on this topic and the last few have been rubbish and silly arguements (i have been caught up in this too to be fair)

I suppose we wont have a real chance to develop our arguements until the next season. Im happy enough to call it quits on this myself until then.
Everyone make a good arguement as you argue for what you believe and firmly it must be said lol

I personally will re visit this next season and i have a funny feeling by this time next year he will have gained some more fans ;) but hey time will tell i could also be wrong. I just hope he can stay injury free for now and we will see how it goes

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 237 - 07/11/2019 17:29:59    2248373

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Replying To oneoff:  ""Why are you do sensitive?"

Yes I'm the whos sensitive. Coming from the man who's going to such lengths to dismiss Clifford. You say Howard being moved was to accommodate him, maybe Howard was moved just to give him an All-star but no of course not it had to be the other way around. The funny thing is if Clifford was from Dublin and doing what he's doing at the moment you'd the first to hype him you

Still no answer on why you don't question where people are from when they agree with you?"
Because they have the courage to put down their county of residence and not purposely hide it on order to have digs

You go out of your way to follow me around and personalise everything.

I'm merely responding in kind nowhere man

From County Nowhere

Handy that isn't it

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19820 - 07/11/2019 17:43:22    2248378

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Jim if you want to play that game they could have easily moved Howard to midfield in place of Fenton who was soundly beaten in both finals and got the award on reputation IMO. Howard was even named there in 2018 so there is a precedent there.

You are accusing others of being overly sensitive but you must have 20-30 posts of mostly utter nonsense on this topic."
Whatever you say man

I've said nothing untowards and have spoken my opinion in an honest manner

If you incorrectly took offense to something I said that's your problem

I'd have zero cares if Fenton missed out

But Moran got one

And let's be honest.. he made far less critical errors in the two games compared to Mr Moran wha..

You incorrectly used something I said previously to prove a point about posters having a go at David Clifford.

Retract that like a good man and find an example that actually corresponds to the point you're so poorly trying to make.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19820 - 07/11/2019 17:51:50    2248383

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Replying To GeniusGerry:  "Jim if you want to play that game they could have easily moved Howard to midfield in place of Fenton who was soundly beaten in both finals and got the award on reputation IMO. Howard was even named there in 2018 so there is a precedent there.

You are accusing others of being overly sensitive but you must have 20-30 posts of mostly utter nonsense on this topic."
That's true Gerry, Fenton had half a good game against a tired Mayo team and he got an all star for that.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 10743 - 07/11/2019 18:09:25    2248391

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Replying To oneoff:  "Bit like the mass of Dublin fans from Antrim and Kildare? Or is that different because they say things you agree with?

You should give them tips on green thumbs seeing as you're very busy with it and all of your accounts..."
Pro Kerry posters are all living Legends.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4236 - 07/11/2019 18:28:59    2248395

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Whatever you say man

I've said nothing untowards and have spoken my opinion in an honest manner

If you incorrectly took offense to something I said that's your problem

I'd have zero cares if Fenton missed out

But Moran got one

And let's be honest.. he made far less critical errors in the two games compared to Mr Moran wha..

You incorrectly used something I said previously to prove a point about posters having a go at David Clifford.

Retract that like a good man and find an example that actually corresponds to the point you're so poorly trying to make."
I don't respect your opinion on football enough to take offence to it Jim so don't worry about that.

What exactly would you like me to retract?

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1790 - 07/11/2019 18:52:14    2248402

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Because they have the courage to put down their county of residence and not purposely hide it on order to have digs

You go out of your way to follow me around and personalise everything.

I'm merely responding in kind nowhere man

From County Nowhere

Handy that isn't it"
I've told you before I'm baced in the UK, what does have to do with anything?

Again it's funny you go on about "courage" when you dismiss and belittle other's from behind your computer screen.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 346 - 07/11/2019 18:59:29    2248405

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Replying To jimbodub:  "Whatever you say man

I've said nothing untowards and have spoken my opinion in an honest manner

If you incorrectly took offense to something I said that's your problem

I'd have zero cares if Fenton missed out

But Moran got one

And let's be honest.. he made far less critical errors in the two games compared to Mr Moran wha..

You incorrectly used something I said previously to prove a point about posters having a go at David Clifford.

Retract that like a good man and find an example that actually corresponds to the point you're so poorly trying to make."
"I'd have zero cares if Fenton missed out"

As you'd say yourself handy isn't it he didn't...

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 346 - 07/11/2019 19:02:14    2248406

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Replying To oneoff:  "Another classic Jimbo essay that actually answers nothing.

Also good to see you're trying to convince us you've only the one account.

Once again with the being from nowhere comments. How come you've no issues with users who have US etc as their country when they agree with you?"
I'm unaware of US posters that have agreed with one of my posts, that went to the effort of highlighting the fact that they agree with me.

I dont remember any

Unfortunately what you're doing is purposely hiding your county of residence in order to attack Dublin posters while hiding behind a fake account.

So your comparison is ridiculous

You've been called out and this is the best you can come back with?

You're a complete coward

I'm proud to support my county and put myself out there for crticism as a Dub fan to any internet crank (namely you)

You on the other hand hide cowardly behind a fake account with no county attached to it so you can have a dig without any come back

Well done. You're a hero lol

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19820 - 07/11/2019 19:19:05    2248410

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