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Why have the county board not t confirmed this appointment?

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 673 - 01/09/2019 16:04:54    2231211

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County board meeting tomorr ow evening, assume he has to be ratified

MONAGHAN1985 (Monaghan) - Posts: 67 - 01/09/2019 16:19:26    2231232

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Guys. How many candidates do you think wanted the job? There were 12 people invited to interview but only two turned up.

BENNY001 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1 - 01/09/2019 21:13:46    2231534

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Lads nobody wanted the job................your favourite for the Job Tony McEntee couldnt put together a decent backroom team so that say how serious he was about the job.

Does nobody deserve a second chance?

Theres alot of people on here that werent around during the 1990's till 2005 to see what state we were in and how this man put the foundations in place for our County senior football team to be competive again.

The Players have no problem playing for Seamus McEnaney,if they did then he would not have got the job,so settle down.

The Backroom team is very impressive,a top S&C coach in Peter Donnelly which was badly needed.

Seamus will blood a few of last years minor team into his squad to be trained at this level which will see them develop faster into some very fit and powerful young footballers which is very badly needed..........something that has not been done under the last Management.

This appointment is about the future..........along with the current panel,and some club footballers who have been over looked.......we have the 2018 and 2019 Ulster Minor Champions with at least 8- 10 really good footballers so that brings us up to 15 extra players who will be on the panel or very close to it over the next 2-3 years which will make us stronger.

And lastly..............a reality check for everyone.

We stayed in Division 1 by other teams mistake.......................we haven't been in an Ulster final in 4 years..............we haven't won an Ulster title in 4 years

We have lost to Longford,Down,Fermangh,Cavan this past 4 years in a row...................

This is what we have done,and some say this is the best Monaghan team ever,with the best Manager we ever had??

Yes,2019 got lucky with the qualifier draw to get to the Super 8................and credit to the team the played some great football in it...........................but let themsleves down with the no show in the semi final.......a game the should of died in to win but didnt.


So let Banty and his backroom team alone to do this job............if anything he will put a bit of bite back into them as they have gone very soft over this past 3 years.......


So rip up your season ticket and stay at home on the internet moaning about everything like an auld wan with bunions.......... or go and follow our county team like they deserve.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1353 - 01/09/2019 23:47:21    2231629

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Maybe Banty is the right man and maybe not.
Criticism is all very well but positive constructive criticism is needed. It is hard to figure out what posters want ? It goes without saying we all want success and to be proud of our county teams achievements but what is seen as success by most posters. Is it to compete and stay up in Div. 1, win Div. 1 , win an Ulster title, reach Super 8's or an All Ireland semi final, the All Ireland Final or actually win an All Ireland at any level ? Monaghan is viewed as having punched above its weight for decades.. Thats a reputation any fan should be proud of but its not enough. We had teams well capable of winning All Irelands but fell at the the final hurdles because of lack of belief, poor management and coaching. If Banty and his backroom staff have the belief and a plan to build a team to go and win the All Ireland then lets give them our full support. If results are bad in his first year and no sign of green shoots then he should resign or be sacked without any dilly dallying. We will know the outcome of Banty's appointment within 12 months. Lets hope for the best.

expat345 (Monaghan) - Posts: 26 - 02/09/2019 02:01:44    2231650

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That is a fair question. In the end, the CB had a choice of only 2 candidates. Very strange that multiple other people who initially expressed an interest in the job, then pulled out. What made (almost) all of them turn away? We'll never know.

The one positive is that at least the CB had the good sense to tell Banty that under no circumstances could Gallagher be involved, which was his proposed initial ticket.

I'm curious as to how much involvement Donnelly will actually have, and how he's ended up working with Monaghan, and not Tyrone.

I'll admit that Banty has assembled (on paper) a strong backroom team. But how will it all work - you know that Banty will be ultimately calling the shots - so will he actually listen to advice he's getting? And will he know what to do with it?

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 350 - 02/09/2019 08:55:11    2231700

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A disappointing appointment to be sure. Look, I'm not blinkered to see the positives Banty did for Monaghan over the years. He instilled some badly needed pride when he first became manager as, lets face it, Monaghan were a shambles before Banty was fist the manager. He raised standards for looking after players and increased expectations. Also when he managed the minors to the UMFC win and ulster minor league last year you wouldn't begrudge a proud Monaghan man such as Banty that elusive Ulster title.

Saying all that though....none of that glosses over his tactical naivety and his table thumping passion was only suited to playing the role of plucky underdog where that once of big win was what he would occasionally rise the team to. Then, there is the cases of some very questionable ideas on player positions and selections...

Earlier posts in this thread highlighted such oddities like Mansy playing win back....does anyone else remember James Conlon playing corner back against Fermanagh in a league game at the time when he was one of the most in form midfielders in the county? I also remember Gavin Doogan playing corner back against Galway and getting sent off.
yup, that was the sort of mad stuff Banty would do. He'd also persist with say Donal Morgan who, while a fine club player, wasn't inter county standard. And then taking lads of and bringing them back on.

It highlighted a lack of trust in the panel. That kind of things seeps through the squad negatively. I haven't seen anything from last tears minors or this years U-20's to suggest he's changed in that regard.

And Banty was being cute when taking over the minor team in 2018. That was a serious group of players and the development squad coaches knew it too, having beaten Dublin and Meath the year before in u-16 tournaments. You'd have to say that what Marc Counihan did this year with the minors was even more impressive as they were no where near as fancied as last years team.

I have to admit Banty's back room team is very impressive. I would wonder how much influence and input Laverty would be allowed have on the team's tactical approach as Banty Ball is agricultural, ineffective and extremely dated approach.

sleater (Monaghan) - Posts: 99 - 02/09/2019 11:50:04    2231791

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Banty done a good job 04 to 08 right man right time some great days but the way the wheels came off after that and his carry on left a bad taste in a lot of mouths. This is even leaving out his stints with Meath where they couldnt wait to get rid of him and Wexford.

The group of players he had back in his first stint were a serious bunch of individuals as good as any around some of whom never got that coveted ulster medal which they deserved. They never kicked on for whatever reason after 07 08 and it was only 5 years later under malachy that the remaining players were managed properly to win a few ulster titles. I agree the team under malachy in recent years developed a soft core when we became more the hunted than the hunter in Ulster. Can Banty reverse this maybe we will see love to be proven wrong but just see him as a manager from the 00s like pillar cafferty with silly antics beating the drum getting the crowd going when the game has moved on.

I acknowledge people deserve a second chance and we are not judge and jury on here just guys with opinions and mine is the county board are making this decision out of desperation if the stories are true that no-one else was interested.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1396 - 02/09/2019 12:10:33    2231810

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Best of luck to the Banty.

It seems many on here are unhappy, but look lads, your new manager is a passionate Monaghan man who will no doubt give his all for the cause of the Farney men. The Banty has the best interests of Monaghan at heart, and it's time the doomsdayers, the naysayers, and the doubters got behind their new manager and supported the team.

This is the best possible decision Monaghan could have made. Hopefully we'll meet in next year's Ulster Championship.

#UpTheBanty

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 350 - 02/09/2019 18:55:48    2232041

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Replying To sleater:  "A disappointing appointment to be sure. Look, I'm not blinkered to see the positives Banty did for Monaghan over the years. He instilled some badly needed pride when he first became manager as, lets face it, Monaghan were a shambles before Banty was fist the manager. He raised standards for looking after players and increased expectations. Also when he managed the minors to the UMFC win and ulster minor league last year you wouldn't begrudge a proud Monaghan man such as Banty that elusive Ulster title.

Saying all that though....none of that glosses over his tactical naivety and his table thumping passion was only suited to playing the role of plucky underdog where that once of big win was what he would occasionally rise the team to. Then, there is the cases of some very questionable ideas on player positions and selections...

Earlier posts in this thread highlighted such oddities like Mansy playing win back....does anyone else remember James Conlon playing corner back against Fermanagh in a league game at the time when he was one of the most in form midfielders in the county? I also remember Gavin Doogan playing corner back against Galway and getting sent off.
yup, that was the sort of mad stuff Banty would do. He'd also persist with say Donal Morgan who, while a fine club player, wasn't inter county standard. And then taking lads of and bringing them back on.

It highlighted a lack of trust in the panel. That kind of things seeps through the squad negatively. I haven't seen anything from last tears minors or this years U-20's to suggest he's changed in that regard.

And Banty was being cute when taking over the minor team in 2018. That was a serious group of players and the development squad coaches knew it too, having beaten Dublin and Meath the year before in u-16 tournaments. You'd have to say that what Marc Counihan did this year with the minors was even more impressive as they were no where near as fancied as last years team.

I have to admit Banty's back room team is very impressive. I would wonder how much influence and input Laverty would be allowed have on the team's tactical approach as Banty Ball is agricultural, ineffective and extremely dated approach."
I couldn't remember the lads name from Carrick - James Conlon. Was the best new talent we had, big midfielder. Banty picked him corner back in first league game v Fermanagh. They started off like a train and he was hauled off after 15 mins. Neither then or now or anytime, will Monaghan have the luxury of throwing away talent like that.
This is the kind of shenanigans I'm talking about .
I remember a league game v Roscommon in Clones. They started about 7 of their All Ireland minor team from a year or so back and we threw them around like rag dolls. Must have won by 15 points. With 20 minutes left Banty had the chance to put on a few fringe players to give them some game time. His only substitution was to bring on Damien Freeman who would have got his full of football before the year would be out.
This is not how you motivate players.
Banty has the job and I hope he is a success, but he's going to have to wind that neck in something serious if he's going to be one.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 378 - 02/09/2019 18:58:04    2232043

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "Best of luck to the Banty.

It seems many on here are unhappy, but look lads, your new manager is a passionate Monaghan man who will no doubt give his all for the cause of the Farney men. The Banty has the best interests of Monaghan at heart, and it's time the doomsdayers, the naysayers, and the doubters got behind their new manager and supported the team.

This is the best possible decision Monaghan could have made. Hopefully we'll meet in next year's Ulster Championship.

#UpTheBanty"
El Banty v the Half Acre's finest. It would be a classy affair alright

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 687 - 02/09/2019 20:28:55    2232075

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Replying To hardcore:  "Lads nobody wanted the job................your favourite for the Job Tony McEntee couldnt put together a decent backroom team so that say how serious he was about the job.

Does nobody deserve a second chance?

Theres alot of people on here that werent around during the 1990's till 2005 to see what state we were in and how this man put the foundations in place for our County senior football team to be competive again.

The Players have no problem playing for Seamus McEnaney,if they did then he would not have got the job,so settle down.

The Backroom team is very impressive,a top S&C coach in Peter Donnelly which was badly needed.

Seamus will blood a few of last years minor team into his squad to be trained at this level which will see them develop faster into some very fit and powerful young footballers which is very badly needed..........something that has not been done under the last Management.

This appointment is about the future..........along with the current panel,and some club footballers who have been over looked.......we have the 2018 and 2019 Ulster Minor Champions with at least 8- 10 really good footballers so that brings us up to 15 extra players who will be on the panel or very close to it over the next 2-3 years which will make us stronger.

And lastly..............a reality check for everyone.

We stayed in Division 1 by other teams mistake.......................we haven't been in an Ulster final in 4 years..............we haven't won an Ulster title in 4 years

We have lost to Longford,Down,Fermangh,Cavan this past 4 years in a row...................

This is what we have done,and some say this is the best Monaghan team ever,with the best Manager we ever had??

Yes,2019 got lucky with the qualifier draw to get to the Super 8................and credit to the team the played some great football in it...........................but let themsleves down with the no show in the semi final.......a game the should of died in to win but didnt.


So let Banty and his backroom team alone to do this job............if anything he will put a bit of bite back into them as they have gone very soft over this past 3 years.......


So rip up your season ticket and stay at home on the internet moaning about everything like an auld wan with bunions.......... or go and follow our county team like they deserve."
Well Hardcore, you've got what you were looking for.. I hope we see the same level of Critique of Banty from you that you have given to MoR in past number of years.. The most common one was that he didn't blood enough young players. Do you have a list of players who should be playing next year who haven't already been given their fair chance.. and what do you see as a successful year for next year?

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 716 - 03/09/2019 08:48:41    2232204

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Replying To Farney:  "
Replying To hardcore:  "Lads nobody wanted the job................your favourite for the Job Tony McEntee couldnt put together a decent backroom team so that say how serious he was about the job.

Does nobody deserve a second chance?

Theres alot of people on here that werent around during the 1990's till 2005 to see what state we were in and how this man put the foundations in place for our County senior football team to be competive again.

The Players have no problem playing for Seamus McEnaney,if they did then he would not have got the job,so settle down.

The Backroom team is very impressive,a top S&C coach in Peter Donnelly which was badly needed.

Seamus will blood a few of last years minor team into his squad to be trained at this level which will see them develop faster into some very fit and powerful young footballers which is very badly needed..........something that has not been done under the last Management.

This appointment is about the future..........along with the current panel,and some club footballers who have been over looked.......we have the 2018 and 2019 Ulster Minor Champions with at least 8- 10 really good footballers so that brings us up to 15 extra players who will be on the panel or very close to it over the next 2-3 years which will make us stronger.

And lastly..............a reality check for everyone.

We stayed in Division 1 by other teams mistake.......................we haven't been in an Ulster final in 4 years..............we haven't won an Ulster title in 4 years

We have lost to Longford,Down,Fermangh,Cavan this past 4 years in a row...................

This is what we have done,and some say this is the best Monaghan team ever,with the best Manager we ever had??

Yes,2019 got lucky with the qualifier draw to get to the Super 8................and credit to the team the played some great football in it...........................but let themsleves down with the no show in the semi final.......a game the should of died in to win but didnt.


So let Banty and his backroom team alone to do this job............if anything he will put a bit of bite back into them as they have gone very soft over this past 3 years.......


So rip up your season ticket and stay at home on the internet moaning about everything like an auld wan with bunions.......... or go and follow our county team like they deserve."
Well Hardcore, you've got what you were looking for.. I hope we see the same level of Critique of Banty from you that you have given to MoR in past number of years.. The most common one was that he didn't blood enough young players. Do you have a list of players who should be playing next year who haven't already been given their fair chance.. and what do you see as a successful year for next year?"
Not only did we not make the ulster final in four consecutive years but we were knocked out by teams who also didn't win it...that's not good enough from a "top 3" team in ulster

a successful year next year is winning league, ulster and all ireland
second to this is winning 2 of the above, followed by 1 of the above...

i cannot accept anyone calling 2020 a successful year by making the super 8s or AI semi final and no silverware.
Would mayo, donegal or tyrone consider that successful?

Moral victories = making ulster final (and playing well), making AI semi final (and playing well), all star awards and id take a mckenna cup (with a young squad)

MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 77 - 03/09/2019 11:37:51    2232301

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banty back,what,really

this is obviously a sick joke or nightmare...

probably both.

hurray for our regressive thinking

TheManWithNoName (Monaghan) - Posts: 3 - 03/09/2019 12:06:52    2232326

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Here we go, new era, new chapter, new challenges ahead.
Let's get behind our clubs in championship season, our county and drive it on for 2020. Realistic aims are to build the squad through the McKenna Cup, maintain Division 1 status, and reach the Super 8's. Don't think we should focus on winning Ulster, aim for the Super 8's as the goal and if we're beaten in Ulster, a trip through the qualifiers will get us there.
With that in mind, who does Banty bring into the squad?
Squad will be back training earlier this winter due to being knocked out after Round 2 of the Qualifiers.

xxB3B0Stunnahxx (USA) - Posts: 90 - 03/09/2019 12:28:16    2232340

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Replying To MalsBalls:  "
Replying To Farney:  "[quote=hardcore:  "Lads nobody wanted the job................your favourite for the Job Tony McEntee couldnt put together a decent backroom team so that say how serious he was about the job.

Does nobody deserve a second chance?

Theres alot of people on here that werent around during the 1990's till 2005 to see what state we were in and how this man put the foundations in place for our County senior football team to be competive again.

The Players have no problem playing for Seamus McEnaney,if they did then he would not have got the job,so settle down.

The Backroom team is very impressive,a top S&C coach in Peter Donnelly which was badly needed.

Seamus will blood a few of last years minor team into his squad to be trained at this level which will see them develop faster into some very fit and powerful young footballers which is very badly needed..........something that has not been done under the last Management.

This appointment is about the future..........along with the current panel,and some club footballers who have been over looked.......we have the 2018 and 2019 Ulster Minor Champions with at least 8- 10 really good footballers so that brings us up to 15 extra players who will be on the panel or very close to it over the next 2-3 years which will make us stronger.

And lastly..............a reality check for everyone.

We stayed in Division 1 by other teams mistake.......................we haven't been in an Ulster final in 4 years..............we haven't won an Ulster title in 4 years

We have lost to Longford,Down,Fermangh,Cavan this past 4 years in a row...................

This is what we have done,and some say this is the best Monaghan team ever,with the best Manager we ever had??

Yes,2019 got lucky with the qualifier draw to get to the Super 8................and credit to the team the played some great football in it...........................but let themsleves down with the no show in the semi final.......a game the should of died in to win but didnt.


So let Banty and his backroom team alone to do this job............if anything he will put a bit of bite back into them as they have gone very soft over this past 3 years.......


So rip up your season ticket and stay at home on the internet moaning about everything like an auld wan with bunions.......... or go and follow our county team like they deserve."
Well Hardcore, you've got what you were looking for.. I hope we see the same level of Critique of Banty from you that you have given to MoR in past number of years.. The most common one was that he didn't blood enough young players. Do you have a list of players who should be playing next year who haven't already been given their fair chance.. and what do you see as a successful year for next year?"
Not only did we not make the ulster final in four consecutive years but we were knocked out by teams who also didn't win it...that's not good enough from a "top 3" team in ulster

a successful year next year is winning league, ulster and all ireland
second to this is winning 2 of the above, followed by 1 of the above...

i cannot accept anyone calling 2020 a successful year by making the super 8s or AI semi final and no silverware.
Would mayo, donegal or tyrone consider that successful?

Moral victories = making ulster final (and playing well), making AI semi final (and playing well), all star awards and id take a mckenna cup (with a young squad)"]Small Rural border county ( third smallest population, with high emigration and not much work) as our NI fans friends says we are NI not Brazil.

Nobody looked for the job, as we are small fish. We have got Banty who will do a great job and has a brilliant back round team, our goal in the next 3 / 4 years should be to get competitive in Ulster and maybe win a final. but that's the best we can hope for, if you are totally realistic.

patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 15 - 03/09/2019 13:07:27    2232366

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So its official like it or not hes there now , good back room team and the ability to raise the funds to pay for all these outsiders/journey men seem to have swung it with the county board , one thing though how does the manager raise this sort of money to pay these top men ?? I'm hearing all sorts of figures for some of them , do supporters or anybody within the county board have access to the money that's spent or is there any record of this ?

mickduffy2009 (Monaghan) - Posts: 180 - 03/09/2019 13:50:25    2232385

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As to where the money is coming from, lets just say Banty will be keeping an eye on the euro-dollar exchange rate!

moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 350 - 03/09/2019 20:40:06    2232545

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Replying To mickduffy2009:  "So its official like it or not hes there now , good back room team and the ability to raise the funds to pay for all these outsiders/journey men seem to have swung it with the county board , one thing though how does the manager raise this sort of money to pay these top men ?? I'm hearing all sorts of figures for some of them , do supporters or anybody within the county board have access to the money that's spent or is there any record of this ?"
There wasn't in his last tenure and there won't be now either.

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 78 - 03/09/2019 22:50:15    2232589

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Yes its important that there is full transparency on who is paid what in terms of expenses or payment for services etc.

I assume there would be no separate accounts kept that are not on the end of year County Board balance sheets?

Are management team and players expenses vouched for?

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1056 - 04/09/2019 10:43:25    2232661

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