LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 1988 - 14/04/2013 17:50:56    1367482

Was just about to raise the same question! This shouldn't even be a topic of discussion but the fact that it is, shows what pull they have, absolute joke is right!

Well done today btw!

semplestadium (Tipperary) - Posts: 146 - 14/04/2013 18:01:49    1367495

It just goes to show league system is all wrong last year dub down this year cork down and limerick have only lost one game in 1b in 3 years not Inc the finals and are still their. With cork down they might change it.and should bring up limerick cork wex and offally have 2 groups of 5 whoever tops group straight into semi 2nd. And 3rd quarter final 4th and 5th semi final of shield final simple as that no relagations to worry about so teams can try out new players and that's what league is al about I am delighted Clare won and I'd love if Clare. Do well in champ

oll (Limerick) - Posts: 693 - 14/04/2013 18:33:26    1367520

that would b unfair then cause whoever gets relegated will get the short end of the stick

hondabanner (Clare) - Posts: 20 - 15/04/2013 11:18:03    1367810

great win for clare. need to work on shooting obviously and need to be scoring more goals to win championship games. we finally seem to be coming to a settled team, it is probably fairly clear what the championship team will be at the moment. half back line looks like one of the best in the country.
1Kelly
2O'Donovan
3D.McInerney
4Morey
5Bugler
6Donnellan
7O'Connor
8N.O'Connell
9Galvin
10Conlon
11Kelly
12C.Ryan
13O'Donnell
14Honan
15McGrath
Dillon will have to settle for a place on the bench when he returns as the backs look solid. dont see conor ryan or podge collins keeping their places in the team

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1820 - 15/04/2013 11:21:36    1367815

Can't agree with you there oll. I think the league is ok. Right division 1a was extremely competitive this year, best in years. 1b obviously has a few weaker teams like Antrim Carlow etc but still had limerick Offaly dublin so there was competitive games. On your basis there will never be any other team outside those you mentioned in the top tier of the league. You might as well shoot Antrim Laois Carlow etc at the knees you would be cutting them adrift so much. Relegation is essential otherwise it's just challenge matches. Who in there right mind would care about a shield semi final or final. It would only get in the way. It happened in tipp for years that there was no senior relegation n the amount of crap teams senior is a joke now. If there is no relegation and just one top tier no developing players will get benefit from it because nothing willbe at stake. There has to be a consequence for failure in order for teams n players to develop.

semplestadium (Tipperary) - Posts: 146 - 15/04/2013 11:56:20    1367844

Delighted for Clare ! Great result and a good hard battle. But the system will be changed now. That win means nothing

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 1680 - 15/04/2013 12:43:26    1367902

how can you say it means nothing?? it means everything to Clare because if Clare had been beaten there would have been no chance of the format being changed. if the league is to be changed which i think it should, they should make an 8 team division 1. everyone wants more games 2 groups of 5 will give the same amount of games as this year. bring up cork and limerick. then you have seven teams who could all beat each other on any day, obviously Kilkenny are still a little ahead. that gives a minimum of 7 games for each top tier side. structure should be: top 4 play off for semi finals. bottom team go down. top team from division 2 comes up. and a playoff between second last team in division one and second n division 2. simple and makes sense

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1820 - 15/04/2013 13:35:03    1367959

i think cathal mcinerney could force his way on.. he did well when introduced..

firepower (Galway) - Posts: 45 - 15/04/2013 14:19:11    1368035

I think the league should be left as is! It was very exciting, unpredictable and highly entertaining! If your good enough to come up you will!

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 1988 - 15/04/2013 14:45:58    1368055

Team for the championship
1 Kelly
2 O'Donovan
3 McInerney
4 Morey
5 Buglar
6 Donnellan
7 O'Connor
8 O'Connell
9 Galvin
10 Conlan
11 Kelly
12 Colin Ryan
13 O'Donnell
14 McGrath
15 Honan

stekhli (Dublin) - Posts: 3116 - 16/04/2013 21:48:38    1368989

LohansRedHelmet

That's the problem. It was far too competitive. Neither Cork or Clare deserved to be in that situation on sunday. You couldn't afford one defeat without risking the drop so you had to play the best 15 from the first sunday. How do you blood players ? Sure we all concentrate on the league now and just use the championship to give lads a run is that it ?

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 1680 - 17/04/2013 12:24:41    1369100

Doylerwex

I cannot believe someone can actually say a competition was far too competitive! That makes absolutely no sense! Regardless of how many teams you have in the league be it 6 or 10 the weakest teams can never afford to loose games. Clare & cork drew one game, won one game and lost 3 so of course they deserved to be in relegation.

A competitive league is perfect for blooding players, that's how you'll know if they are good enough and how they will learn themselves! A really competitive league is the closest thing to championship and isn't that what all managers want so they can test out their players, not Mickey Mouse meaningless league matches!

semplestadium (Tipperary) - Posts: 146 - 17/04/2013 14:00:23    1369191

semplestadium... get your facts right. clare won 2 games, tipperary only won 1 more and finished top of the table, 2 of the 3 games clare lost they only lost by a single point. cork lost the same number of games as tipperary did. how can you say "of course they deserved to be in relegation"? there was such narrow margins going into the last game every team was equally deserving of relegation or staying up. and you dont seem the understand that when a team cannot afford to lose they cannot take the risk of giving new players a chance. of course some players will be up to it but the majority will not be able to handle the pressure or be up to intercounty standard in their first game. of course everyone wants a competitive league but its also importantly where players can be given time to come to terms with senior county hurling.

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1820 - 17/04/2013 15:07:51    1369231

Lads that number 10 from the minor team bet by Cork the other night looks a serious hurler. Would it be to soon for him to come into your senior panel? Not to play but to get the feel of the squad. Cant think of his name now

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 17/04/2013 21:15:05    1369452

Hurlingexpert
Apologies bout the mistake but at the end of a league the points don't lie, that was my point about deserving to be in relegation.

The point ppl are making here is to increase the league so counties can get younger players "competitive" games. On one hand you want more teams n less chance of relegation but on the other hand you want competitive games in the league. If you are willing to diminish the league by adding teams for the sake of it then should you not be willing to throw young players to get experience despite the fear of relegation??

semplestadium (Tipperary) - Posts: 146 - 17/04/2013 21:52:54    1369486

that league was far more competitive than the championship will be. having it that way is silly. no point blooding players with no experience in it. the risk your taking is just to great.yes the table doesn't lie but it's not enough games to determine anything. cork will really suffer now which is no good for the game

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 1680 - 18/04/2013 08:53:37    1369512

its important to note that including limerick and cork in the top division definitely would not weaken the division. clare, cork, limerick, tipperary, waterford, galway and dublin are all equal standard to each other. maybe tipperary or galway at full strength would be marginally ahead, but there would be no easy game between any 2 of these teams. i dont see how it could make the league any less competitive. for example tipp finished highest out of these teams in the league, limerick the lowest.. last year tipp beat limerick by 4 points in the championship, after limerick were 7 points up with 20 minutes to go, only a great tipp fight back won the game for them.

Brianmac78...... his name is bobby duggan. he is a very good young hurler scored 1-2 from play against cork another 1-6 from frees. i dont think he will be included in the senior panel for another 2 years, depending on how he progresses with the 21's over the next few years. he is still very young and very light at the moment so i would be cautious about how he is handled

hurlingexpert (Clare) - Posts: 1820 - 18/04/2013 09:59:14    1369541

Is he seen as the next big prospect down there? Fine player

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 18/04/2013 13:07:34    1369692

He would probably be the stand out minor at present but Jamie shanahan will be class! He is just out of minor after playing it for 3 years with clare

LohansRedHelmet (Clare) - Posts: 1988 - 18/04/2013 14:10:17    1369783