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Replying To royaldunne:  "So had i. But the bitterness still is astounding."
What bitterness, McEntee had an average first half by a lot of people's standards. Of the 5 backs, I thought he was the poorest up until half time. He didn't track runners on a couple of occasions, gave the ball away cheaply and his tackling wasn't great, Keoghan's was probably worse.

That said, I wouldn't have taken him off ahead of O Connor who was only marginally better. His kick passing was slow the last day which concerned me. Jack is a forward for Curraha, I've never seen him play in the backs or midfield. He is lazy/slow with his kick passing because he doesn't seem understand the urgency when kicking the ball as a half back or in that area of the field. This is not knocking Jack, I think he could make a decent half forward and I've seen first hand his free taking ability is as good as most at club level but COR seems to be playing him out of position.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 28/02/2023 14:56:12    2460985

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Replying To seadog54:  "Where did you watch it, would you have a link please."
No link up online, got a copy of the match off a friend.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 28/02/2023 14:58:15    2460986

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "No link up online, got a copy of the match off a friend."
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seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 28/02/2023 16:37:43    2461012

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "What bitterness, McEntee had an average first half by a lot of people's standards. Of the 5 backs, I thought he was the poorest up until half time. He didn't track runners on a couple of occasions, gave the ball away cheaply and his tackling wasn't great, Keoghan's was probably worse.

That said, I wouldn't have taken him off ahead of O Connor who was only marginally better. His kick passing was slow the last day which concerned me. Jack is a forward for Curraha, I've never seen him play in the backs or midfield. He is lazy/slow with his kick passing because he doesn't seem understand the urgency when kicking the ball as a half back or in that area of the field. This is not knocking Jack, I think he could make a decent half forward and I've seen first hand his free taking ability is as good as most at club level but COR seems to be playing him out of position."
Not aimed at you.
Actually thought he was lively in first half. He was the only one looking for kick out from Harry. I don't know why so many just stand static. Give out about the delay and delivery all anyone wants to. But if the gk can't see anyone trying to make a run it becomes lot more difficult.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/02/2023 16:37:54    2461013

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "Very small little pointer from Michael Daragh Mccauley today online , where he is speaking about Dublin...and he references players with the right attitude
To me the attitude has been wrong in the County set up (and county ) for years. There are many elements to it, but in summary its an over estimation of ourselves as a County, As County Squads, and in alot of the individual players. Thing is , this no teh fault of teh one who thinks they are special...in many ways they don't know what they don't know i, but it is a fault in people at the top , who are supposed to know how vital attitude & culture is.
pat Gilroy fundamentally changed the attitude in Dublin , as to who they are , how they see themselves and how they value & judge themselves going forward .....If we are still talking only about , ability, S&C., fitness etc.,...and not addressing the other stuff...we get what we reap"
I'd agree with that. Tbh orurke looked stunned after the game. He really didn't think we would get beat. Their is something wrong, I remember Andy saying that if only the players produced in matches what they do in training Meath would beat anyone. He never managed to convert one to the other. And I think Colm is seeing same thing at the minute

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 28/02/2023 16:52:22    2461020

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "Very small little pointer from Michael Daragh Mccauley today online , where he is speaking about Dublin...and he references players with the right attitude
To me the attitude has been wrong in the County set up (and county ) for years. There are many elements to it, but in summary its an over estimation of ourselves as a County, As County Squads, and in alot of the individual players. Thing is , this no teh fault of teh one who thinks they are special...in many ways they don't know what they don't know i, but it is a fault in people at the top , who are supposed to know how vital attitude & culture is.
pat Gilroy fundamentally changed the attitude in Dublin , as to who they are , how they see themselves and how they value & judge themselves going forward .....If we are still talking only about , ability, S&C., fitness etc.,...and not addressing the other stuff...we get what we reap"
Yes ATTITUDE is the key word. Agree Gilroy sowed the seed with Dublin with the aid of a couple of visionaries on the County Board. To put the icing on the cake Gavins military discipline was the final touch. Attitude change is a slow burner but badly needed in Meath. Have not seen the visionaries yet or heard any plans to take stock of standards in all areas from football skills to leadership in vital areas. Development squads what is done other than football skills .Attitude and how it is so valuable and dictates how we see things. pride in the jersey, our jersey ,our place, .We are not just big thick Meath people who happen to play football. We were never top of the pops with the media. Even in the 80s and 90s there was nearly always a" but".They were good BUT hard men. Why the but at all ? Yes we dont take prisoners on or off the field. As COR said on Tommy Tiernans show we have that "EARTHLINESS" and thats a plus. You dont see Meath players with a swagger. Then we dont see Dublin players with a swagger nowadays either thanks to Mr GILROY and Co. How was that done ? ATTITUDE change where the team and continuous improvement was the only agenda. I applaud what they did and the positive effect on team performance . We can do the same starting with letting go of the baggage from the past, vision from the top down especially where attitude areas are focussed on improvement. in on field performance.

nobull456 (Meath) - Posts: 1266 - 28/02/2023 17:54:08    2461030

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Replying To Thelongwoodslasher:  "Very small little pointer from Michael Daragh Mccauley today online , where he is speaking about Dublin...and he references players with the right attitude
To me the attitude has been wrong in the County set up (and county ) for years. There are many elements to it, but in summary its an over estimation of ourselves as a County, As County Squads, and in alot of the individual players. Thing is , this no teh fault of teh one who thinks they are special...in many ways they don't know what they don't know i, but it is a fault in people at the top , who are supposed to know how vital attitude & culture is.
pat Gilroy fundamentally changed the attitude in Dublin , as to who they are , how they see themselves and how they value & judge themselves going forward .....If we are still talking only about , ability, S&C., fitness etc.,...and not addressing the other stuff...we get what we reap"
A lot of truth in what you say hopefully improvement will come as management get to know the players and players realise what is expected of them, not just the pep talk they got when joining panel. Management will drive standards at first, however players, especially lads who have been around a while will need to step up and show by their actions that there is complete buy in and not just going through the motions. Expect Colm the foster a culture where everyone feels equal and management supply the tools needed for improvement. I think the issue of attitude has been addressed, players left in no doubt,if you want a place in team you need to fight for it. We are in a dogfight over next few games, how players react should tell management the kind of panel they assembled, lots of learnings for both.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 2196 - 28/02/2023 18:10:43    2461031

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'd agree with that. Tbh orurke looked stunned after the game. He really didn't think we would get beat. Their is something wrong, I remember Andy saying that if only the players produced in matches what they do in training Meath would beat anyone. He never managed to convert one to the other. And I think Colm is seeing same thing at the minute"
Valid point, I remember talking to a selector under Andy and he was saying two current players would shoot the lights out at training but come match day they are only half as good and it frustrated them as you are picking most lads based on training.

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 28/02/2023 19:25:48    2461053

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If only O'Rourke could have turned to the bench on Sunday and summoned a half-fit McGill to shore up the defence with 15 left and 5 points up to see the game out…!

GenderNeutral (Meath) - Posts: 115 - 01/03/2023 10:29:48    2461111

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Replying To GenderNeutral:  "If only O'Rourke could have turned to the bench on Sunday and summoned a half-fit McGill to shore up the defence with 15 left and 5 points up to see the game out…!"
Or imagine we had Graham Geraghty and Trevor Giles on the bench to bring and knock over a few points.

Maestro (Meath) - Posts: 584 - 01/03/2023 10:55:04    2461128

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I'd agree with that. Tbh orurke looked stunned after the game. He really didn't think we would get beat. Their is something wrong, I remember Andy saying that if only the players produced in matches what they do in training Meath would beat anyone. He never managed to convert one to the other. And I think Colm is seeing same thing at the minute"
Well Royaldunne,reading between the lines you seem like you're not happy with o Rourke in charge from the start.While its been disappointing (after the fine start)to lose 2 games in a row, I do think we have to give COR time.He is not going to have a magic wand and suddenly we win leinster and all Irelands.He has blooded a few new young lads and is trying to put a stamp on his team.I saw a post of yours on the national forum that Meath have gone backwards at an alarming rate?We beat Cork away and a Clare team that hammered us in championship last year.Yes we lost to Derry who are Ulster champions and flying this year so far and of course Louth but I do think we win this if its 15 v15 so hardly o Rourke s fault Higgins made a clumsy challenge.Before you comeback with 5 pokts up yes we should do better but the team and Colm are learning as they go along.I dont think it's fair to say we are going backwards at an alarming rate after just 4 league games.Yes there are problems and only time will tell of CoR cant sort them out but 4 league games is not a fair assessment.Now you may well be right and you are entitled to your opinion but I think we should give more time before making a statement like that.Im not having a pop at you as you seem to be a real fan who goes to all the games and maybe you are just really frustrated at the results and its clouded your judgement a little but just think it's unfair to say what you said.There will be plenty of bumps in the road ahead but hopefully we find a way to flatter roads and start to get where we all want us to be.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 01/03/2023 11:59:39    2461158

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Replying To Maestro:  "Or imagine we had Graham Geraghty and Trevor Giles on the bench to bring and knock over a few points."
Yea, 2 lads in their 40's are a perfect comparison to a 29 year old who is currently the best senior footballer in the county........good man

ratlag (Meath) - Posts: 582 - 01/03/2023 12:37:08    2461172

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "Valid point, I remember talking to a selector under Andy and he was saying two current players would shoot the lights out at training but come match day they are only half as good and it frustrated them as you are picking most lads based on training."
Yeah. It's a very strange one. And how to sort it. I don't know. Hopefully Colm and co can get it done.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/03/2023 19:17:50    2461318

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Well Royaldunne,reading between the lines you seem like you're not happy with o Rourke in charge from the start.While its been disappointing (after the fine start)to lose 2 games in a row, I do think we have to give COR time.He is not going to have a magic wand and suddenly we win leinster and all Irelands.He has blooded a few new young lads and is trying to put a stamp on his team.I saw a post of yours on the national forum that Meath have gone backwards at an alarming rate?We beat Cork away and a Clare team that hammered us in championship last year.Yes we lost to Derry who are Ulster champions and flying this year so far and of course Louth but I do think we win this if its 15 v15 so hardly o Rourke s fault Higgins made a clumsy challenge.Before you comeback with 5 pokts up yes we should do better but the team and Colm are learning as they go along.I dont think it's fair to say we are going backwards at an alarming rate after just 4 league games.Yes there are problems and only time will tell of CoR cant sort them out but 4 league games is not a fair assessment.Now you may well be right and you are entitled to your opinion but I think we should give more time before making a statement like that.Im not having a pop at you as you seem to be a real fan who goes to all the games and maybe you are just really frustrated at the results and its clouded your judgement a little but just think it's unfair to say what you said.There will be plenty of bumps in the road ahead but hopefully we find a way to flatter roads and start to get where we all want us to be."
I was hoping for the Kerry man to get the job. But Colm has my 100-% support and he put a excellent team behind him.
We beat cork by less we did last year. We beat clare in league too. Championship was a different story I agree with you. But the two teams we beat last year we beat this. Derry was the real disappointment. We had them beat last year (when they went on to win ulster championship ) in a dead rubber for us and must win for them, apart from a howler. Louth I'd rate similar to Down or Offaly last year. (We drew with both). On the evidence so far we have gone backwards, at best stayed the same, with a new management I was hoping for a bounce. Let's be honest clare was better than us only the goals got us over the line. I think we could have had 16 players last day and louth would still have won. That's nothing against Colm and co. That's just how things go. Yea I do find it concerning with the McGill situation I think all Meath people do. He is the current Meath player of the year. And should be on panel.
That aside I have no issue with Colm, he's trying out some exciting prospects but unfortunately we haven't got the new management bounce I was hoping for.
I travel every inch of country to watch not only Meath seniors but also minors and u20s where possible. I think if Colm is missing one thing it's a tactical coach , someone like a star with Armagh , or like a Mickey harte type. With 14 men 5 points up we should have killed that game. But I am very happy for Colm to continue and learn (he hasn't really that much experience as a ic manager apart from u21s years ago). He also I think needs to incorporate more defensive coaching without fouling.
But be in no doubt he is our manager and has my full support. But he is not above constructive criticism just because he was one of the greatest players to ever play the game. And I don't take any offence to ur post.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/03/2023 19:38:05    2461320

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "Valid point, I remember talking to a selector under Andy and he was saying two current players would shoot the lights out at training but come match day they are only half as good and it frustrated them as you are picking most lads based on training."
Maybe training isn't/wasn't reflecting reality of whats needed to win?

bert09 (Meath) - Posts: 1807 - 01/03/2023 20:12:22    2461328

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I was hoping for the Kerry man to get the job. But Colm has my 100-% support and he put a excellent team behind him.
We beat cork by less we did last year. We beat clare in league too. Championship was a different story I agree with you. But the two teams we beat last year we beat this. Derry was the real disappointment. We had them beat last year (when they went on to win ulster championship ) in a dead rubber for us and must win for them, apart from a howler. Louth I'd rate similar to Down or Offaly last year. (We drew with both). On the evidence so far we have gone backwards, at best stayed the same, with a new management I was hoping for a bounce. Let's be honest clare was better than us only the goals got us over the line. I think we could have had 16 players last day and louth would still have won. That's nothing against Colm and co. That's just how things go. Yea I do find it concerning with the McGill situation I think all Meath people do. He is the current Meath player of the year. And should be on panel.
That aside I have no issue with Colm, he's trying out some exciting prospects but unfortunately we haven't got the new management bounce I was hoping for.
I travel every inch of country to watch not only Meath seniors but also minors and u20s where possible. I think if Colm is missing one thing it's a tactical coach , someone like a star with Armagh , or like a Mickey harte type. With 14 men 5 points up we should have killed that game. But I am very happy for Colm to continue and learn (he hasn't really that much experience as a ic manager apart from u21s years ago). He also I think needs to incorporate more defensive coaching without fouling.
But be in no doubt he is our manager and has my full support. But he is not above constructive criticism just because he was one of the greatest players to ever play the game. And I don't take any offence to ur post."
Well Royaldunne, some good points there,some I agree with others I dont.I agree we should've manage the Louth game better when 5 points up and hopefully we will learn from that.I agree the goals were important v Clare and we just got over the line against them.Reguarding Conor ma gill yes have to admit it's a strange one and agree he is a big loss but I dont know the ins and outs of it and just have to trust management.I also agree that management shouldn't be above constructive criticism but I dont think to say we are going back at an alarming rate after just four matches is fair.We all have ideas of what we should and shouldn't be doing in matches and that's fair enough.You say we didn't beat Cork by as much in the league as last year but I'd argue we beat Clare by more this year than last year.I think also while we could have beaten Derry last year, I think they are a better team this year.The confidence they would have got from winning Ulster must have been a massive shot in the arm to them.Having played football all my life confidence is key to success no doubt.Also playing Derry away is a bit harder and the wet miserable evening probably suited them more than us(not blaming the weather for the loss just think it suited their defensive system)plus the fact they are a few years under Gallagher and know their system well.I also think if we had an extra man v Louth we win by a few again just my opinion.Down probably should've beaten us last year as if I remember right they hit the post with the last play of the game and we got a last minute point to beat Clare in the league so we could easily have gone down last year or be in trouble.I think this year is a harder division as teams are thinking about the championship and not wanting to be in the Tailteann cup.The other point about is needing another star name coach you might be right but I think we have to give the current management time and a proper chance which again 4 games is not in my opinion.

Proudroyal (Meath) - Posts: 296 - 02/03/2023 11:44:16    2461377

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Replying To Proudroyal:  "Well Royaldunne, some good points there,some I agree with others I dont.I agree we should've manage the Louth game better when 5 points up and hopefully we will learn from that.I agree the goals were important v Clare and we just got over the line against them.Reguarding Conor ma gill yes have to admit it's a strange one and agree he is a big loss but I dont know the ins and outs of it and just have to trust management.I also agree that management shouldn't be above constructive criticism but I dont think to say we are going back at an alarming rate after just four matches is fair.We all have ideas of what we should and shouldn't be doing in matches and that's fair enough.You say we didn't beat Cork by as much in the league as last year but I'd argue we beat Clare by more this year than last year.I think also while we could have beaten Derry last year, I think they are a better team this year.The confidence they would have got from winning Ulster must have been a massive shot in the arm to them.Having played football all my life confidence is key to success no doubt.Also playing Derry away is a bit harder and the wet miserable evening probably suited them more than us(not blaming the weather for the loss just think it suited their defensive system)plus the fact they are a few years under Gallagher and know their system well.I also think if we had an extra man v Louth we win by a few again just my opinion.Down probably should've beaten us last year as if I remember right they hit the post with the last play of the game and we got a last minute point to beat Clare in the league so we could easily have gone down last year or be in trouble.I think this year is a harder division as teams are thinking about the championship and not wanting to be in the Tailteann cup.The other point about is needing another star name coach you might be right but I think we have to give the current management time and a proper chance which again 4 games is not in my opinion."
Oh true. Look I suppose I was really hoping for a new manager bounce. And to be in position to get promoted. Maybe too high of hopes on my behalf. And I suppose when you look at the bounce Kildare had last year and what happened this maybe slow and steady is the better way to go.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/03/2023 14:55:13    2461422

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Oh true. Look I suppose I was really hoping for a new manager bounce. And to be in position to get promoted. Maybe too high of hopes on my behalf. And I suppose when you look at the bounce Kildare had last year and what happened this maybe slow and steady is the better way to go."
You could also have a case of ending up in a group with Kerry, Armagh, Mayo and Meath come Sam time which would spell disaster based on current performances.

You could also get a group of Westmeath Sligo and Tyrone which wouldn't be too bad

UsernameInvalid (Meath) - Posts: 409 - 02/03/2023 16:21:35    2461452

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "You could also have a case of ending up in a group with Kerry, Armagh, Mayo and Meath come Sam time which would spell disaster based on current performances.

You could also get a group of Westmeath Sligo and Tyrone which wouldn't be too bad"
good point

seasiderblues (Meath) - Posts: 353 - 03/03/2023 09:59:02    2461524

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Replying To UsernameInvalid:  "You could also have a case of ending up in a group with Kerry, Armagh, Mayo and Meath come Sam time which would spell disaster based on current performances.

You could also get a group of Westmeath Sligo and Tyrone which wouldn't be too bad"
Prefer the latter group tbh !!!!

Royalman11 (Meath) - Posts: 29 - 03/03/2023 13:52:36    2461588

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