Replying To brian:  "Joe I'm not doubting the effort far from it, Could i give the amount of time these lads do and still work and live i doubt it. I'll never accuse them of lacking in effort.

What i'm saying is the Boylan Era lads would've gone through brick walls and the current bunch don't seem to have that in them. When the chips are down teams know that this version of Meath are beaten, in Boylan's days teams feared a Meath comeback even when they were on the bus with the trophy. That's a 100 player issue, which I'm not laying at Andy's door. You have that inner drive or you don't. Those lads in Boylan's days always strived to get as much as they had within themselves out. For this team from what i see a lot of them seemed resigned to defeat when they're behind.

I think the point i'm trying to make is summed up in your last couple of sentences in that the team lacks guys with grit, determination and inner strength like we had in Boylan's day who had the ability and inner drive to drag lads along with them.

Keoghan and Menton our best players of the last number of years as leaders and i'd add the squad as a whole don't seem to be a very vocal bunch who demand more of each other. Now maybe they do behind closed doors and we're not seeing it, but no one seems to be held accountable. As an example, Cillian O'Sullivan has been about the senior panel for 10 years and still runs up blind alleys to this day. In a team with a Mick Lyons etc, he wouldn't be allowed do that after a couple of training sessions. Those Boylan teams were all about the collective and always doing the right thing, giving the ball to a player in a better position etc. That's not there in this current team and as you say maybe that's us not having a coherent strategy."

Replying To Thejoeshow:  "I could be very wrong but I honestly think the lack of a strategy and tactical approach is why we see these issues. We lack some spine but I do think there's a handful of lads (Jones, menton, Harnan, S mcenteee, keogan, McGill) have shown it but it wears you down having no way to express yourself.

I don't think they are a passive bunch but we play a brand of football that isn't working at the moment. Put Cillian into a cohert system where he knows his role and I do think he's a star.

My issue with some of your points is that while I agree we aren't near it, I don't it's due to lack of effort or passion to play for Meath from Andy or players but it's just Andy's limitations tactically and some profile of players missing from the panel (and county) at senior."

Replying To Jinxie:  "So Wicklow it is in Navan next Sunday.

5-15 was a big return from Wicklow today so they bring a threat with them, although we should still be looking to advance here..."

Replying To royaldunne:  "Yeah have to agree. Think we will
Progress"

Replying To seadog54:  "Hopefully not too soon, but what happens if we are beaten before getting to Leinster Final?"

Replying To LeitrimRoyal99:  "I've heard that Frayne, Gray and Caulfield were involved with the seniors in some capacity at the weekend. Have no idea if it was an A v B in house game or they're in training but heard they were involved"