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Replying To BigJoe14: "I think there in lies the problem. Jumping from manager to manager with little to no preparation time given for this age. I know it isn't easy with the GAA chopping and changing the age groups around and the timing of the competition but why can't we appoint a group of coaches at U14 level and allow them take that group all the way up to u20/u21 instead of what we are doing now, which is one management group one year and another a next. Players are getting lost in between u17 and u20 as well. This Dublin u20 team began preperation for this competition in early October 2019, Meath didn't even have a management team in place until December 2019. Meath had little to no S&C, players coming and going between the Meath Senior footballers and hurlers, our four Meath seniors on the 20's squad only trained with this group for the first time the week of the first championship game against Wexford, and they trained with the seniors on Monday just gone (where Shane Walsh suffered his injury) and back in again with 20's yesterday. How can anyone expect success with this sort of carry on going on." 100% correct
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Replying To ABK67: "100% correct" Thanks for the confirmation AB
Meathgaa5 (Meath) - Posts: 339 - 23/02/2020 18:24:42
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Replying To Talking_Sense: "This is the product of shocking coaching end of story. If you take a spin over any night to Development Squads it's death by drills and death by gym.
No analysis of opposition teams or players it would seem to me and no practicing systems and setups to play certain teams it is non existent from what I see.
Development players will warmup up for minimum 30 mins and then do drills and or gym for the rest. It's a joke. Coaches (most) in my few simply don't understand what is required to drive a Development team. Managers rolling out teams to go man on man every game is just madness.
They Development Managars won't play the Kerry's, Dublin, Tyrones or the top counties often enough to drive higher standards and have coaches educate themselves on who the top players are to look out for it these teams for when it matters down the line , instead they run about tanking the Louths, the Wexford's, Sligo's and local Leinster teams etc and driving a narrative around the Gerry Reilly when the really top teams are not in it( why don't they ask Kerry, Tyrone, Down , Mayo all into a Gerry Reilly).
So Meath Development needs a root and branch clear out and needs in my view a new man at the helm. They need money too because Development teams need to be sent to the top teams across all the age groups on a regular basis and proper coaches installed. If they are going to also keeping driving this Gerry Reilly they need to up the standard of it wholesale and only ask the top 8 big counties to it. Then we see how good we are and where we have to improve both on the line and the pitch.
We are a coaching back water ." Down were in the Gerry Reilly last year. Gerry Reilly a good competition and always was. Hardly expect Kerry, Tyrone or Mayo to enter into an u16 competition. Problem seems to really be with the clubs developing their players or the integration from minor to adult level. I have known superstar underage footballers at u16 level that never quite made it. Its a different game. Players, clubs coach's all need to work really hard to make it because development and change in a player from 16 to 20 can be huge.
winatallcost (Meath) - Posts: 594 - 23/02/2020 18:41:31
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Replying To Talking_Sense: "This is the product of shocking coaching end of story. If you take a spin over any night to Development Squads it's death by drills and death by gym.
No analysis of opposition teams or players it would seem to me and no practicing systems and setups to play certain teams it is non existent from what I see.
Development players will warmup up for minimum 30 mins and then do drills and or gym for the rest. It's a joke. Coaches (most) in my few simply don't understand what is required to drive a Development team. Managers rolling out teams to go man on man every game is just madness.
They Development Managars won't play the Kerry's, Dublin, Tyrones or the top counties often enough to drive higher standards and have coaches educate themselves on who the top players are to look out for it these teams for when it matters down the line , instead they run about tanking the Louths, the Wexford's, Sligo's and local Leinster teams etc and driving a narrative around the Gerry Reilly when the really top teams are not in it( why don't they ask Kerry, Tyrone, Down , Mayo all into a Gerry Reilly).
So Meath Development needs a root and branch clear out and needs in my view a new man at the helm. They need money too because Development teams need to be sent to the top teams across all the age groups on a regular basis and proper coaches installed. If they are going to also keeping driving this Gerry Reilly they need to up the standard of it wholesale and only ask the top 8 big counties to it. Then we see how good we are and where we have to improve both on the line and the pitch.
We are a coaching back water ." Who is the coaching officer in the county surely they must be held in some way responsible
Brownepat (Meath) - Posts: 532 - 24/02/2020 06:34:52
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Replying To Crinigan: "Agree. Absolute nonsense talking about college teams as if that's our issue. Players don't improve that much playing Sigerson Cup (it's a few matches played over a couple of weekends on rubbish pitches) and whether you've a lot of players or none at all playing, it doesn't mean much.
Secondary school football though is a big issue and it seems that Meath schools haven't been doing well. Pats could do with having a bit of humility about themselves, they are nothing special in grand scheme of things - lads get big ideas about themselves when they make the Pats team and seem to carry it with them for a few years." Jesus ive heard it all now, having a go at lads for going to school in st pats.
they had enough humility and no ideas about themselves when winning u17 leinsters and beating dublin while in the school.
horrible attitude to use a hiding from dublin to spout your anti pats agenda.
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Replying To Talking_Sense: "This is the product of shocking coaching end of story. If you take a spin over any night to Development Squads it's death by drills and death by gym.
No analysis of opposition teams or players it would seem to me and no practicing systems and setups to play certain teams it is non existent from what I see.
Development players will warmup up for minimum 30 mins and then do drills and or gym for the rest. It's a joke. Coaches (most) in my few simply don't understand what is required to drive a Development team. Managers rolling out teams to go man on man every game is just madness.
They Development Managars won't play the Kerry's, Dublin, Tyrones or the top counties often enough to drive higher standards and have coaches educate themselves on who the top players are to look out for it these teams for when it matters down the line , instead they run about tanking the Louths, the Wexford's, Sligo's and local Leinster teams etc and driving a narrative around the Gerry Reilly when the really top teams are not in it( why don't they ask Kerry, Tyrone, Down , Mayo all into a Gerry Reilly).
So Meath Development needs a root and branch clear out and needs in my view a new man at the helm. They need money too because Development teams need to be sent to the top teams across all the age groups on a regular basis and proper coaches installed. If they are going to also keeping driving this Gerry Reilly they need to up the standard of it wholesale and only ask the top 8 big counties to it. Then we see how good we are and where we have to improve both on the line and the pitch.
We are a coaching back water ." You seem to spend a lot of time in Dunganny, a disgruntled dad ??
Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1494 - 24/02/2020 16:01:25
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I think our start was the main problem we went 1-04 to no score down in the first 8-10 minutes 1-02 of which came directly from giving the ball away we were playing against a strong wind we continued turning the ball over trying to force it rather than just working the ball to suit the conditions
Looking at the body language from some of the lads it looked to me a number had accepted defeat early enough in the game which can happen with young lads as momentum is huge in games
I still think a lot of the lads who are on that squad are very good footballers and I don't think we're as bad as the result showed
It is very frustrating as there's no chance of redemption this year but everyone involved need to learn and grow going forward
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Replying To Analyst: "You seem to spend a lot of time in Dunganny, a disgruntled dad ??" Not at all. My daughter plays on Dev squads over there so hence I get to see what goes on at times at the boys level.
Perhaps your one of the coffee drinking Meath coaches who can be seen walking about around those Dev squads....
Talking_Sense (Meath) - Posts: 209 - 24/02/2020 17:13:12
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Replying To Meathmaverick: "Jesus ive heard it all now, having a go at lads for going to school in st pats.
they had enough humility and no ideas about themselves when winning u17 leinsters and beating dublin while in the school.
horrible attitude to use a hiding from dublin to spout your anti pats agenda." Haha, indeed it was a sour oul post alright!
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 24/02/2020 17:57:46
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Replying To Brownepat: "Who is the coaching officer in the county surely they must be held in some way responsible" Ah would you get a grip. The coaching officer has no say on things. I told you that several years ago. TCo Board are making these appointments in conjunction, without any input from the coaching officer. This was pointed out by Eamonn Barry a number of years ago when he was coaching officer. The committee tried to gag him and then did everything to side line him. They appointed coaches to all the underage teams without his knowledge. Most of them had no coaching experience or qualifications. In case your interested Croke park rules state that all county managers must have at least completed the L2 cert. We are appointing people that haven't even got L1 completed. While these people are continually elected to the Co Board nothing will change. We will sink deeper into the mud. I have been saying this for years.
latouche25 (Meath) - Posts: 540 - 24/02/2020 20:20:20
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Replying To Talking_Sense: "Not at all. My daughter plays on Dev squads over there so hence I get to see what goes on at times at the boys level.
Perhaps your one of the coffee drinking Meath coaches who can be seen walking about around those Dev squads...." Brownpat is right Meath_True you need to raise this with the coaching officer
Goldback (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 24/02/2020 20:28:50
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Replying To Talking_Sense: "Not at all. My daughter plays on Dev squads over there so hence I get to see what goes on at times at the boys level.
Perhaps your one of the coffee drinking Meath coaches who can be seen walking about around those Dev squads...." Don't drink coffee and never played for Meath so i wouldn't get a look in.
Analyst (Meath) - Posts: 1494 - 24/02/2020 22:56:54
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https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/309030
I agree with this - awful time of the year for this competition. It doesnt excuse such a late appointment of the manager though.
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Completely agree with the above, it is a disgraceful time of the year for it and does seem like it is being treated like a mickey mouse competition by the GAA, which the Meath county board seem to have treated it as such with the way the management team was cobbled together a week before Christmas and training starting the day before Christmas eve. Dublin see the competition as disgraceful timing but still managed to have their house in order and had a management/structures ready to go no matter when the competition starts. Meath as usual floundering and flopping over crucial structures that should be just automatically ready to go. It should never have been brought back to U20 anyway, and should be reverted to U21 as it hasn't had any benefits of being U21 over U20.
BigJoe14 (Meath) - Posts: 998 - 25/02/2020 14:21:16
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In fairness this was put out there before we played any games.anthony moyles has spoken in the media about it.will it ever change prob not so we will always b playing catch up to dublin looks like laois are putting in good work.we put out we have no good coaches in the county but my guess is lads couldnt b bothered goin for job's that are clearly wrapped up before hand.who can and will change this is anyones guess.but players wont keep putting in the effort if this sh..e continues. The killer now is we will have no continuation with these players now most will go back there clubs and just go thru the motions.we need keep them i volved with each other at some level same as the lads to come thru for next year.this will take work so that's a no no in meath.
Think about it its february so next february will b next 20s game.when this year will we prepare for then.GOD KNOWS????
Borderroyal (Meath) - Posts: 496 - 25/02/2020 20:31:04
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