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Dublin V Roscommon - 8 Like(s)
Replying To Fionn: "It was absolutely terrible to watch. Very effective for Rossies, and fair play to them for getting what they wanted out of the game, but omg - shocking to pay in for that...
On a side note - the Rossie fans on the Hill, didnt half give Mayo some stick... no songs about Galway but they gave Mayo plenty....
The only way to counter those tactics is, tackle hard and hope for turnovers, or get an early lead and force other team to come out an play - Dubs did neither in 1st half. Which in itself was alarming tbh.
I will hold judgement until after this weekend, but how the bookies had Dublin as AI favorites is madness imo.
After the moaning GR went on with the last day, I expect a much better finely tuned Dublin performance this weekend.
Looking forward to the trip down to Kilkenny.
For me, the performance this weekend will tell a tale.
Also, a word for the Hurlers. That first half performance v Galway was right up there with the best I have seen from a Dublin Hurling team. In the 2nd half, we didnt win enough puck outs or 50:50 balls imo but we fully deserved a draw out of it. They played some really top notch hurling in the game and some great scores. Good to see a good crowd of Dubs in early for the Hurlers also. Hoping for more but at least quite a few arrived in to shout the team on.
Anyway, hopefully both the Dublin Hurlers and Footballers kick on now after last weekend." Dublin invented that style of play, now you know how the whole country felt watching ye play keep ball for minutes on end.
MachaireConnacht (National) - 30/05/2023 16:45:05
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Dublin V Roscommon - 6 Like(s)
Replying To Joxer: "That's football these days for you. I used to enjoy watching it but gone are the days of releasing fast runners into the corner, lads running off the shoulder, rampaging wing backs and high fielding inside forwards. Give me the old days of Dublin v Mayo man to man games any day over this hand passing in your own half for 5m with your keeper playing in the half forwards. Lads training hard for 12 months of the year to play tag rugby." JOXER. Did Ciaran Kilkenny not act as quarter back for years implementing Jason Sherlocks basketball tactics? Circulating the ball over and back endlessly until the right gap appeared. I did not hear you complaining then!
Part of the problem last Sunday was all 15 Dublin players retreating very deep for much of the match. It takes two to tango.
I agree with you, that it is not as enjoyable as the old days. Jim McGuiinness and Rory Gallagher have a lot to answer for, but their players (Donegal) have All Ireland medals in their back pockets. Up to Dessie and the lads to come up with a new plan.
PS. If the GAA fix the Kildare v Roscommon match for Croke Park will Kildare have an advantage as Glen Ryan seems to think that they are too familiar with the pitch? (Playing too many games there)
letsgetgoing (National) - 30/05/2023 16:24:35
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Dublin V Roscommon - 5 Like(s)
Replying To Fionn: "It was absolutely terrible to watch. Very effective for Rossies, and fair play to them for getting what they wanted out of the game, but omg - shocking to pay in for that...
On a side note - the Rossie fans on the Hill, didnt half give Mayo some stick... no songs about Galway but they gave Mayo plenty....
The only way to counter those tactics is, tackle hard and hope for turnovers, or get an early lead and force other team to come out an play - Dubs did neither in 1st half. Which in itself was alarming tbh.
I will hold judgement until after this weekend, but how the bookies had Dublin as AI favorites is madness imo.
After the moaning GR went on with the last day, I expect a much better finely tuned Dublin performance this weekend.
Looking forward to the trip down to Kilkenny.
For me, the performance this weekend will tell a tale.
Also, a word for the Hurlers. That first half performance v Galway was right up there with the best I have seen from a Dublin Hurling team. In the 2nd half, we didnt win enough puck outs or 50:50 balls imo but we fully deserved a draw out of it. They played some really top notch hurling in the game and some great scores. Good to see a good crowd of Dubs in early for the Hurlers also. Hoping for more but at least quite a few arrived in to shout the team on.
Anyway, hopefully both the Dublin Hurlers and Footballers kick on now after last weekend." The dubs have been doing it for years. Running down the clock in big games, getting all their men behind the ball but ye were lucky the likes of Brolly and other pundits were eager to stay on the right side of the dubs so they never moaned. What's good for the goose, etc
timeforachange (National) - 31/05/2023 09:12:43
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Monaghan GAA thread - 5 Like(s)
Replying To patmouse: "[quote=monaghan_ultra: "Some people just love to give out.
Is the new system perfect? No
Is the new system a hell of a lot better than previous incarnations of the championship? Most definitely
I can't understand how supporters could be opposed to having more games to follow their team in. This season Monaghan will play a minimum of 12 top level games (7 League, 2 Ulster Championship & 3 All-Ireland Series).
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard Sean Cavanagh on the Sunday Game! After 2 weekends in the All-Ireland series we had 8 games:
Draws x3, 1 Point Win x 1, 2 Point Win x 1, 3 Point Win x 1, 5 Point Win x 2 and he had nothing positive to say and unfortunately too many people buy in to the negativity of him and others.
In all but 2 games the result could have changed with a single score by a particular team.
We have the competitive Championship that we've been crying out for years but that still isn't enough for some." The problem is the bigger team aren't taking this serious, the smaller team yes, so it's very hard to judge. We all know the 4 teams who won't make it, so the edge is definitely missing.
I agree its good to have more games, maybe the top 2 go thru would make it alot better, its also diluting the championship look at Derry, Kerry & Dublin who all won, but all the teams apart from Galway looked off the pace.
There is definitely teams treating these like challenge matches as they only need to beat a poorer team and they are in the next round, they are saving players and training accordingly"]What evidence is there to support your assertion that the bigger teams aren't taking this serious?
I watched the All-Ireland Champions play the Division 1 league winners in the 1st game, both were 100% taking it serious. Straight afterwards I watched last year's losing All-Ireland finalists play the All-Ireland Champions of 2 years ago, there was absolutely nothing to suggest either were not taking it seriously.
I could go on but they were the opening 2 games of the new All-Ireland series involving the 4 teams who contested the last 2 All-Ireland finals. There are pundits who constantly talk down the game with no evidence to support their claims and people blindly row in behind them. They made the same claims about the Division 1 league final and have continued in the same vein since.
There can't be another sport whose supporters & pundits spread so much negativity about the game, it genuinely boggles the mind.
monaghan_ultra (National) - 30/05/2023 15:23:35
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Carlow V Dublin Dr Cullen Park 17Th June - 3 Like(s)
Replying To Viking66: "Just out of interest do you call the Park Wexford Park or Chadwicks Wexford Park? Not trying to diminish Chadwicks sponsorship at all as everyone knows they sponsor it. My youngest daughter was even on their promotional video for this season after the Walsh Cup game against Kilkenny where some of it was filmed!" I just say "the Park" or "Wexford Park". Have never called it Chadwicks Wexford Park in normal conversation, and I never called it Innovate Wexford Park before that either.
I also still say Lansdowne Road and the Point Depot. Might be showing my age with that last one!
Pikeman96 (National) - 30/05/2023 12:50:43
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
the fine weather getting to peoples heads here... Daithi burke is the best full back galway ever had, and weve had a few decent ones. Ive heard lads who were on the 87/88 team even say that!
clare_sparrow (National) - 30/05/2023 15:46:57
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Dublin V Roscommon - 2 Like(s)
Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Dublin invented that style of play, now you know how the whole country felt watching ye play keep ball for minutes on end." To be fair Dublin did not invent that style. What's played these days by all counties isn't FOOTball. It's more like basketball on grass with a few players still able to kick the ball.
baire (National) - 31/05/2023 10:10:06
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To SamandLiamSoon: "Management (and players) can take the blame for the beginning but it was the management's substitutions that changed the game. Every one of them to a man (Bar Collins who was on late) made a telling contribution.
No problem blaming management. More intelligent to give some limited praise when its also justified too.
Daithí pointed out the biggest issue which was either the half back line not pushing up or the half forward line not dropping deep enough to pick up the Dublin half forward line dropping deep. Galway did neither and gave them the freedom of the park. To compound matters the strength of the breeze meant they Dublin middle 8 could simply shoot from distance under no pressure and not have to bring it into contact of the non existent Galway half back line. It took 26mins of the first half for Galway management/players to work this out (way way to long.)
Plenty to work out but Galway stayed in the fight. 2021 was similar and Galway never raised a gallop at all." That was the key problem alright. We seemed to have an exposed setup with the halfbacks and midfield in the first half. The wind factor was significant, and we didn't seem to factor it into our 'setup' at all. That's where this team, and of course any team, misses a midfield pairing like Johnny Coen and David Burke. Joe Cooney and Tom Monaghan were busy starting to accumulate 0-8, from I'm hearing 14 long pots, but absolutely nobody in the 8to12 region seemed to be providing any defensive resistance to the Dubs lively opening in the midfield sector, and neither were they getting on enough ball to stem the Dublin flow, and get traffic flowing in the opposite direction. Throw in the 2 own goals, and it left us in a 12point hole early in the second half. Hats off to all concerned for salvaging a draw out of that mildly calamitous opening 40mins or so.
Pope_Benedict (National) - 30/05/2023 11:52:38
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Dublin V Roscommon - 2 Like(s)
Replying To tirawleybaron: "Your right, it didn't go as I hoped.
It's a pity Roscommon couldn't get it done. The chance to beat Dublin at home doesn't come round to often.
There is a big opportunity for Roscommon to push on and try to get big scores against Sligo and Kildare.
Finishing top of the group would give ye a big chance at a semi final.
Can't say the football is good to watch though." Horses for courses, We have played 3 of the 4 best teams in the country in the years Championship, Won One,Lost one(that we were well in) and drew one. Bar Kerry we have played the main sides in the country, We were not going to win in a shootout as we have seen down the years. I expect us to play more open football against Sligo and Kildare
sourmilk93 (National) - 30/05/2023 12:26:16
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Flaherty: "Pope, the evidence was in all the soft goals we were conceding through the middle in 2018/19 and later. Even the 17 final he was way out of position for our two goals. And with his talents he was wasted where he was, just look at him now when he's free to roam.
He got all stars because we were in finals, he's a great hurler, did flashy stuff, great fielding and so on but in reality our fullback line was all over the place in those years, conceding two or three soft goals every game, partly because Daithi (and who can blame him) wanted to be always on the ball and he doesn't really do man marking.
The best fullbacks are almost invisible. Sure Daithi could still do a job at fullback but I'd prefer GMAC as he'll stay at home and mind the space back there better." If we are going down the route of criticizing Daithí as a full back we may as well forget about it. He'll be remembered as one of the best full backs in the game. An All Ireland in the pocket along with 5 All Stars at full back. So in the last 8 years his peers viewed him as a the best full back in the country for 8 of them!
Invisible full back?? Hard to be invisible when you are going toe to toe with TJ, Horgan, Gillane and Corbett to name just a few. Few if any got the better of him on any given day.
SamandLiamSoon (National) - 30/05/2023 13:03:09
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To tiobraid: "least he was brave enough to move Daithi away from fullback where he was never a natural. Centreback gives him the freedom to play with abandon
Hard to know where to start with the above! Cant see anyone agreeing with the first point and a hurling centre back playing with abandon at any level would be some recipe for disaster! For Dublins first goal chance on Sunday DB was in the number 10 position. You wont get away with that later in the year. I certainly wouldnt like to be playing in the FB line with my CB "playing with abandon"" Tiobraid, you don't make a lot of sense here, he scored our goal on Sunday from just 10 metres out from Dublins goaline so if that is not a centreback playing with "abandon" I don't know what is! And it was no disaster Sunday.
Sure he can't be out of position all the time like that but at centreback he can take those risks and he's good enough to do it, provided his teammates give him some cover. But he also took those risks when he played fullback and I think I am being "sensible" in saying that's not on for a fullback. You're saying he should still be our fullback i presume? Preferably any time we play Tipp maybe...
Flaherty (National) - 30/05/2023 13:15:49
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Dublin GAA thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To OhtobeARossie: "Loved it joxer
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I remember cooper many a day getting the ball lifting his hand and dubs playing it over and back for 3, 4 mins u weren't complaining then.
Man up." It certainly must be if you're entertained by that. I wonder would you have held that view if you were beaten by 3 or 4. The novelty of the enjoyment of the effectiveness of the system soon wears off when the losses come. I'm not singling out the Rossies either. I've never had a problem calling out Dublin over the years, under Gilroy especially, when they played that cautiously. But the game as a whole is in reverse as a spectacle. From the pace of the pace, physicality and intensity of the hurling match to the funeral procession of the "main event" was some contrast. Dublin didn't bring fire and they have to this Sun. There's no better way to deal with these systems than to go 3-4 points up against it and make the opposition come out and play.
Joxer (National) - 30/05/2023 13:32:39
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Limerick Hurling 2023 - 2 Like(s)
These clare Facebook accounts really need to be looked into in Again today another unfounded attack on an amateur player gaa player from limerick with serious unfounded legal accusations been thrown all over social media. It started with another limerick player a few weeks ago and continuing today. It doesn't serve clare well at all and had an effect on the limerick camp last time to galvanise them. Its really time for these platforms to be investigated by the gardai.
daveboy (National) - 30/05/2023 14:26:20
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Galway Hurling thread - 2 Like(s)
Replying To Flaherty: "You're right, Daithi is giving us another dimension in his new role, the one big positive (maybe one of the few so far) with the style of play Shefflin has introduced. At least he was brave enough to move Daithi away from fullback where he was never a natural. Centreback gives him the freedom to play with abandon and he's holding the team together from there right now.
Gearoid as Stool Pigeon says played as well as he could given that his corner backs were off both off colour and his comrades out the field gave him no help either with allowing Dublin to rain quality ball down on top of him. Neither of the two soft goals were his mistakes which is saying something. Have to accept he will always give up a few soft frees, but otherwise he's good in the air and physicality matters at fullback. We need a bit more pace to cover for Gearoid and Grealish probably adds that more than others.
More importantly, Shefflin has to sort midfield/half forward line so that we force more turnovers/win more primary possession and stop teams like Dublin having all the time in the world on the ball, that will hurt any fullback line. Whelan is nowhere at the moment and like Daithi needs repositioning, certainly to the half forward line or maybe even midfield. Out there he would at least snarl all day at the opposition and win dirty ball you'd imagine. Conor Cooney has to take time off and definitely we need no more penalties from him. Cianan Fahy and Linnane have to start as well against KK to add physicality. More direct ball into forwards needed also as defences have too much time to reset or at least Dublin's did.
I hope Henry has been toying with us up to now, otherwise!!" Daithi Burke not a natural FB and Whelan a midfielder
This might be the worst post on this board and that beats some seriously stiff competition
Kinvara (National) - 30/05/2023 14:55:41
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Westmeath Football thread - 1 Like(s)
The money to travel to Armagh? It's a two hour road trip, not Sydney. We're not living in a third world country, living costs have increased but not to that extent. We always have excuses, wouldn't like to see it if we had multiple outings each year like Mayo in Croke Park.
Claretandblue (National) - 30/05/2023 15:26:07
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Greatest Hurling Upsets Of All Time - 1 Like(s)
Carlow beating Offaly in the J Mc Donagh cup final 2023 as rank outsiders.
supersub15 (National) - 30/05/2023 15:33:54
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Galway Hurling thread - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Flaherty: "Pope, the evidence was in all the soft goals we were conceding through the middle in 2018/19 and later. Even the 17 final he was way out of position for our two goals. And with his talents he was wasted where he was, just look at him now when he's free to roam.
He got all stars because we were in finals, he's a great hurler, did flashy stuff, great fielding and so on but in reality our fullback line was all over the place in those years, conceding two or three soft goals every game, partly because Daithi (and who can blame him) wanted to be always on the ball and he doesn't really do man marking.
The best fullbacks are almost invisible. Sure Daithi could still do a job at fullback but I'd prefer GMAC as he'll stay at home and mind the space back there better." Jeez you're a hard man please, the best full back in the country since Brian Lohan or even make a case for him being better. He solved the biggest problem in galway hurling in full back since Conor Hayes, that was 30 years of having no one in there, goes in and wins 5 all stars. Gave some of the best displays in full back I've ever seen, even in loosing days, 2016 v Tipp, 2017, 2018 replay v Clare, 2020 v Limerick, even 2019 he was the best player over all the games. Even the days he struggled he still broke even, with a busted ankle in 2018 v Conlon, the first half v Callanan in 20. The rest of Ireland must be in a full back crisis if Daithi was a problem.
Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (National) - 30/05/2023 15:41:05
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All Ireland Hurling Format - 1 Like(s)
Replying To StoreysTash: "Being an ex-club player, the split season is good but I wonder could the GAA not come up with a format which had the All-Ireland final played in late September, hurling league reduced and a couple of "club weeks" every 4-6 weeks.
The loss of April for clubs killed off the vibe in a lot of clubs until mid-summer, who does that benefit?" Fully agree. I think we can learn allot from something like the Premier League. They can run league, cup and international matches in parallel. International duty being accommodated by the international breaks.
I'm not saying we fully copy what they do, just saying there has to be opportunities to learn..
Ban (National) - 30/05/2023 16:28:20
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Championship Predictions Competition - W9 - 1 Like(s)
Cork v Kerry - Kerry by 4
Westmeath v Galway - Galway by 5
Kildare v Dublin - Dubs by 6
Tyrone v Armagh - Tyrone by 3
Meath v Down - Down by 2
Tipperary v Waterford - Tipp by 3
Cavan v Offaly - Cavan by 4
Laois v London - Laois by 8
Mayo v Louth - Mayo by 5
Monaghan v Clare - Monaghan by 6
Roscommon v Sligo - Rossies by 8
Donegal v Derry - Derry by 3
Limerick v Wicklow - Limerick by 3
Longford v Carlow - Longford by 4
Wexford v Leitrim - Wexford by 4
Fermanagh v Antrim - Fermanagh by 3
juande_ramos (National) - 30/05/2023 16:28:55
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Dublin V Roscommon - 1 Like(s)
Replying To Joxer: "That's football these days for you. I used to enjoy watching it but gone are the days of releasing fast runners into the corner, lads running off the shoulder, rampaging wing backs and high fielding inside forwards. Give me the old days of Dublin v Mayo man to man games any day over this hand passing in your own half for 5m with your keeper playing in the half forwards. Lads training hard for 12 months of the year to play tag rugby." It was absolutely terrible to watch. Very effective for Rossies, and fair play to them for getting what they wanted out of the game, but omg - shocking to pay in for that...
On a side note - the Rossie fans on the Hill, didnt half give Mayo some stick... no songs about Galway but they gave Mayo plenty....
The only way to counter those tactics is, tackle hard and hope for turnovers, or get an early lead and force other team to come out an play - Dubs did neither in 1st half. Which in itself was alarming tbh.
I will hold judgement until after this weekend, but how the bookies had Dublin as AI favorites is madness imo.
After the moaning GR went on with the last day, I expect a much better finely tuned Dublin performance this weekend.
Looking forward to the trip down to Kilkenny.
For me, the performance this weekend will tell a tale.
Also, a word for the Hurlers. That first half performance v Galway was right up there with the best I have seen from a Dublin Hurling team. In the 2nd half, we didnt win enough puck outs or 50:50 balls imo but we fully deserved a draw out of it. They played some really top notch hurling in the game and some great scores. Good to see a good crowd of Dubs in early for the Hurlers also. Hoping for more but at least quite a few arrived in to shout the team on.
Anyway, hopefully both the Dublin Hurlers and Footballers kick on now after last weekend.
Fionn (National) - 30/05/2023 16:29:16
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