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Also Peugeot sponsor cars fort the Dublin management team and Peugeot have strong links to Israel also and is it a coincidence now Ger Brennan said he does nt know where the Allianz story came from.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 437 - 26/01/2026 14:02:06 2653341 Link 0 |
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I am not sure regardless of what anyone says you will change your mind. A couple of points, PIMCO is a US company and the US would never allow them to blackist the county. Once bought its pointless what the do with the bonds as the complaint was they bought them in the first place. And yes what I am trying to explain is a business relationship that most people would never see, thats not condensing but just the reality of the different environments people live in. You can take this advice whatever way you chose to. Black and White is a much easier world to live in. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2154 - 26/01/2026 14:36:19 2653352 Link 1 |
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The issue itself or him not being interviewed with ad? Its obvious that someone outside the panel is pushing this. It is untenable situation regardless of issue. There's this infantile notion that if you follow a sports team they have an obligation to agree with you on foreign and domestic policy! Its something that has dragged down certain soccer clubs. The political line enforced by fans or club directors clearly interferes with how the team functions as a team. I dont think any Dublin GAA person wants that or to turn into a flagship for anyone. Needs to be nipped in bud otherwise there will be another item on agenda. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3962 - 26/01/2026 15:27:38 2653370 Link 0 |
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I supposed anyone with insurance policies with Aviva, AXA, Zurich, RSA should cancel their policies. Cancel any travel plans that might mean flying on a Boeing aircraft. If they're considering buying a new house off the plans they should avoid sites using Caterpillar equipment. Maybe not buy shares for armament manufacturers. The IDF is mandatory in Israel. If a few Israeli soldiers came into your shop in Tel Aviv, buying sandwiches, kosher of course, are you implicated in a genocide?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8428 - 26/01/2026 15:43:20 2653376 Link 0 |
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Hey listen if someone made an argument to change my mind about the GAA I would. I don't really understand what you mean by the US would never allow who blacklist who? This sentence doesn't make sense to me. And it's not about changing minds. I'm giving an opinion that is think is valid. One thing I take umbridge with is a narrative that is put forth by you and by GAA hierarchy, that we wouldn't understand how complex this is or that it's somehow some simplified Facebook populist commentary that has formed our opinion. My mind would be changed if there was a conciliatory tone from these organisations for having bought those bonds, maybe a 'with hindsight we should not have done that', or 'lessons have been learned' style statement. As yet I have not come across any statement with that tone. It's seems it's business as usual. Can I ask you do you have a difficulty with the company having these bonds? Are you ok that they don't seem to have said that this wasn't a good idea in light of what was said in the UN report? Are you ok with the main sponsor of the GAA and organisation of which I am a member and have given my time as a volunteer has a connection to this global business? Genuinely it takes a lot for me not to go a support my county in the league. And probably the championship as they also sponsor that competition. I would love my mind to be changed actually. Nothing you have said or anyone has said has managed to change it even slightly. I would add that maybe the global organisation has made a comment on this that I have missed, but as yet I haven't come across it. supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1087 - 26/01/2026 16:17:47 2653389 Link 1 |
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Yeah I do try my best to stay away from organisations that do have those kind of links, but like you say, it's practically impossible. Especially when no laws seem to have been broken. But it is another thing to be sponsored by someone whose global arm has been specifically mentioned in this way in a UN report. Like we can choose who sponsors us. Whatever about being their customer. So no I disagree with the premise of your argument. What you describe is not the same. Plus if the GAA pulled sponsorship is sends a message about integrity and values. Values I thought the GAA had. But unfortunately I seemed to have been mistaken. Remember, this is about GENOCIDE. Think about that. I'm not saying that Allianz Ireland had any part to play in it, but they do have connections to a global arm that was mentioned in a report about the funding of that genocide. UEFA and other soccer clubs weren't long dropping Russian sponsors in 2022. Please explain to me if this situation is different? Like we can all have a pint and place a bet down in Paddy Power, but would it be right for GAA to have alcohol or betting sponsorship? supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1087 - 26/01/2026 16:46:04 2653399 Link 1 |
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Ah its just it was reported that Ger Brennan was refusing to be interviewed in front of an allianz banner but then Ger comes out and says he does nt know where the story came from and he is in the dark. Neither manager was interviewed in front of any adverts but was nt the managers decisions seemingly. The whole saga is becoming comical.
brayballer (Wicklow) - Posts: 437 - 26/01/2026 19:16:27 2653429 Link 2 |
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Very well put Supermon, there is a world of difference between being a purchaser of a product and a sponsorship deal. Sponsorship involves and certainly broadcasts very publicly a mutual respect for each others values and ethics.
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1064 - 26/01/2026 21:30:09 2653450 Link 3 |
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So you'd be morally against the sponsorship but not against buying the product?
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8428 - 27/01/2026 15:44:49 2653568 Link 2 |
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Allianz sponsors sport across Europe and further afield and here we are getting our knickers in a twist to appease a few wokies who probably already purchase goods already (knowing or unknowingly) in entities associated with Israel. Your pension is likely invested in entities that trade with Israel, are people going to get all pious about that too? Allianz have the naming rights to Twickenham & the Munich Football Arena and I do not hear any calls on the English RFU or German FA to end any deals. Choosing to boycott Allianz is not going to make one blind bit of difference to the long suffering Palestinian people. If you want to feel better about yourself, donate a few euro to a cause that actually helps them. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1705 - 27/01/2026 16:16:51 2653583 Link 2 |
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Apparently, Allianz is the number one insurer of Irish schoolchildren… keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4098 - 27/01/2026 16:55:25 2653594 Link 0 |
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Jaysus! Thats mad! Schoolkids didn't have cars when I went to school! No wonder the roads are chocker at school time!
Onion_Sack (Dublin) - Posts: 408 - 27/01/2026 18:57:26 2653624 Link 0 |
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Yup, I pointed that out myself a page or two back, but there's nobody protesting at how schools do business with them....
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 3331 - 27/01/2026 18:57:48 2653625 Link 0 |
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Some lads better throw their iPhones in the bin. Israeli tech and all that. There are likely a ton of healthcare products you should stay away from too. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11892 - 27/01/2026 19:08:28 2653628 Link 3 |
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By all accounts you could extend that to SuperValu and ask do they stock any goods from Israel? AIB & Irish Life... any investments in companies linked to Israel? Why not go further and call upon the IRFU / FAI to cease their deal with Aviva over their links to the war. A cursory Google search will show lots of links. Where do you stop? And for what? So we can take the high moral ground? Please. None of this will help the Palestinians one iota bar make a few lefties feel good about themselves. Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1705 - 27/01/2026 19:42:11 2653631 Link 0 |
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Personally I would try my best not to use products that have these kind of links. But as others have mentioned it's virtually impossible as many have links that we don't even know about. Sponsorship is something different. Sponsorship of an organisation like the GAA means that as an organisation it identifies with the values and ethics of the GAA and it wants to support that. This is a reciprocal thing for the GAA also. As a member of the GAA I don't think an organisation that has been specifically mentioned in a UN report on the economics of genocide is a a good sponsor. It's just not a good look in my opinion. Same reason alcohol and betting sponsorship isn't a good look. supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1087 - 27/01/2026 19:56:18 2653635 Link 0 |
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I agree that's schools should look into this. It would be up to individual schools to do it through their boards. I also think Cumann na Bunscol should rethink their Allianz sponsorship. supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1087 - 27/01/2026 19:57:51 2653636 Link 0 |
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So the English and the Germans aren't doing it. That's your argument? Maybe have a good think about that.
supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1087 - 27/01/2026 20:00:19 2653637 Link 0 |
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I dont see why Dublin's main sponsor should not be discussed. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3962 - 27/01/2026 20:13:01 2653640 Link 0 |
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I did not say anyone should or should not buy any products. I did not say anyone should or should not accept any sponsorship. I just stated that accepting sponsorship from a company and purchasing a product involve two very different relationships. For example we regularly hear customers of big companies being very critical of those companies. When an organisation is sponsored by a company criticism of the company is not really on the menu. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 1064 - 27/01/2026 20:40:51 2653642 Link 0 |