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Ah no if we were winning them the whole time they would mean less
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16062 - 29/05/2025 23:09:43 2613527 Link 0 |
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Cusack highlighted indiscretions in the Dublin Galway game, and DID NOT highlight similar indiscretions seen in the Cork Waterford game on the same day. There were actually far more dirty strikes in the Munster game, but Cusack took the biased approach and jumped on the 3 eye catching egregious incidents from Parnell Park. Tail wags the dog here, and the GAA has been 'seen to act' accordingly.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4172 - 30/05/2025 00:01:22 2613536 Link 2 |
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Can we not just win a Leinster and keep our beaches.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 377 - 30/05/2025 08:05:58 2613554 Link 0 |
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Mullane is correct in that it's crazy and wrong that Kildare and Laois are still in the Liam McCarthy cup at the knockout stage while the likes of Clare, Wexford and Waterford are gone. Simple solution would be 4th place teams in Leinster and Munster replace the Joe McDonagh finalists in AL c-ship. John Doe (Galway) - Posts: 243 - 30/05/2025 08:16:03 2613556 Link 0 |
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As Johnny Logan sang 'what's another week'. Whether you're gone in late May or early June doesn't amount to a hill of beans really. I would acknowledge though that Waterford are in a *****y place in this current format, having to get at least TWO 'results' from 4 games against arguably the top 4 teams in the country currently in Clare, Cork, Limerick and Tipp to progress. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4172 - 30/05/2025 10:20:35 2613567 Link 0 |
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Would take too much of the jeopardy out of the round robin though.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16062 - 30/05/2025 10:29:44 2613573 Link 0 |
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This is done to death every year. If you come 4th in your provinice out of 5 teams you have no busines going anywhere. I notice there was far less cribbing from Galway and Tipp last year than you seem to get annually from Waterford. I get a laugh when the likes of Mullane whinging about this are the same ones who say there's no jeopardy for Kilkenny i leinster, and then turn around and want to eliminate 90% of the jeopardy from Munster. The Joe Mc finalists qualifying for the Liam Mccarthy is written in stone as it was agreed witht Laois, Carlow and I think Westmeath in 2018 when they were relegated in order to make the provincial round robins work, the old Leisnter qualifier group became the Joe Mcdonagh, so that's not changing anytime soon and rightfully so. It's a good system in how it balances getting the best teams playing against each other and getting the best of the best through to the latter stages, while also keepign the next tier involved at the top level and giving them something to strive for. For traditional Leinster teams there's also the advantage that having a disasterous year and getting relegated as Wexford almost did a few years ago would not (In theory) break a 150 year stretch of competing for Liam Mccarthy, something Musnter teams don't have to worry about because of how the province is ringfenced. Given time I think the current system will see imporovements int he competitiveness of the Joe MC (Already seen in Westmeath and Carlow's results the last few years) and get to the stage where the prelims are proper banana skins for teams other than Dublin, but patience is needed. What's not needed is bowing to former players needing to fill column inches and Podcast minutes and complaining when their counties are ***** and don't get out of their province. Overdahill (Galway) - Posts: 62 - 30/05/2025 10:30:27 2613574 Link 1 |
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But if you can't get at least TWO results out of 4 games why would you deserve to go further? That's a matter for them to sort out for themselves and you can be sure Mullane would be very quiet on the subject if it was (for example) Tipperary repeatedly missing out on qualification in recent years instead of Waterford. What he should be pushing for if he wants a change is an open draw but that essentially means no more provincial finals so he'll keep his mouth closed on that front. Having 4 qualify from 5 in Munster and Leinster reduces the whole thing to a series of glorified challenge matches, it's a terrible idea. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 928 - 30/05/2025 11:58:59 2613592 Link 1 |
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Richie Hogan spoke very well about this on the radio yesterday evening. All this nonsense we've been hearing about the ref not applying the rules. It's obvious to anyone watching the game what happened, if you look at the 3 incidents that occurred. Fahy's little swipe happened behind the play, so the ref didn't see it. He'd be relying on his umpires to flag that one. Daithí's shoulder he explained as being into the chest, which it was. A shoulder to the chest is not a straight red. Now it was incredibly hard and had a whiplash effect, but the ref got only one look at it and explained to the players why he gave a yellow. On Donoghue's hurl across Fleming's neck, again the ref couldn't see it. Both players had their back to the ref and were facing the endline. Nobody in commentary even noted it until they saw the replay. Likewise, there was little reaction from the crowd. If the ref had seen it, he would have given a red. But it was almost impossible for him to see what actually happened. Enough with the hysterics from lads who have access to 10 slow-motion replays and seem to think the game should be reffed on that basis. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2343 - 30/05/2025 12:02:34 2613595 Link 2 |
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I don't think that you deserve to go further, but I do think that Waterford's current chance of getting 2 results against Limerick Cork Clare and Tipp is in the slim to none section of the spectrum, which means that their championship is effectively over before it even begins. It's like having an Olympic qualification where Leinster athletes need to clear 7ft6in to make the final, while Waterford athletes need to clear 8ft to make the same final.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4172 - 30/05/2025 18:14:23 2613667 Link 0 |
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It's up to them to catch the other 4 up.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16062 - 31/05/2025 09:48:40 2613703 Link 1 |
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The GAA could revert to the traditional knock out Munster and Leinster Championships and also have a separate open draw competition.
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 31/05/2025 14:18:51 2613743 Link 1 |
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Then you're sacrificing the league as there's no room other calendar unless you relegate the provincials to Walsh Cup level status A separate open draw competition kills the provincials stone dead. What would be the point? Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 928 - 31/05/2025 15:25:33 2613755 Link 0 |
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Why would it? The Munster championship would be played as it used to be, knockout. Most counties would play 1 or 2 games, ditto in Leinster.
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 31/05/2025 16:39:37 2613764 Link 0 |
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The Walsh cup is a dead duck anyway
Crashingwaves (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 31/05/2025 16:42:30 2613765 Link 1 |
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If there were seperate knockout Munster and Leinster Championships would Galway and Antrim be in either of them? As you say, what would be the point?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16062 - 31/05/2025 18:49:59 2613787 Link 0 |
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And when would this mystical knockout competition take place? Would it be entirely separate from the open draw you mention above? Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 928 - 31/05/2025 20:38:57 2613807 Link 0 |
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Galway might bring a certain New York player back after his exploits earlier. Armchairreporter (Galway) - Posts: 107 - 31/05/2025 21:23:25 2613826 Link 0 |
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In a parallel universe is it?
PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2025 - 31/05/2025 22:48:04 2613861 Link 0 |
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It's too different championships, so I guess that he could play with two different county teams in the same year. Galway could sure do with him!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2273 - 31/05/2025 22:52:40 2613862 Link 0 |